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3k-4k for multiplayer player models. 4-5k for singleplayer less important player models. 6-7k for singleplayer main characters (barney, alyx, dr kliener) I think those are the numbers.

First of all, we're a democracy. We're not a single person who decides he doesn't like a country and then joins a terrorist cell with a bunch of other people who decided the same way. We rule by majority, or in this case the president ruled with help from lots of advisors and information from...

Poor history installing democracy? Are you talking about in the middle east? I hope so. Japan and Germany were both set up after world war 2 almost exclusively by the U.S. Saddam had to disarm. We should have attacked him then instead of doing those stupid sanctions, but for some stupid...

No. We're there to provide a democracy. They have absolutely no justification for using any violence against us, whatsoever. They have a REASON, but no justification. edit: As long as you weren't on the Olympic team ;)

That's what we're there to put in place.

Want to just stop arguing? I don't think we're going to convince eachother of anything, plus I'm getting tired of typing ;)

Why would we want to support them? THEY RUIN GAMES.

Saddam didn't disarm. It was entirely his fault, he had shown he couldn't handle the power and he was a tyrannical dictator, no matter what the cost you HAVE to stand up for what is right. You can't let someone kill and kill and then allow him to KEEP his weapons, it just doesn't work like that...

I don't believe they will, I think they replaced that with ragdoll. However, it wouldn't be hard to spawn a bunch of physics enabled player-made gibs into the death code, I don't think. Oh yeah, and no one knows for sure except Valve people :)

Ahh, madeline albright, she's a stupid *****, she's the one that let the Rowanda Tutsi(sp?) massacre happen without sending any troops it to stop it. I thought we were talking about the current war in Iraq, not the first? Some estimates of the amount of people he has killed go over 2...

No invasion, and Saddam is still in power. You're not going to dispute the fact that Saddam was killing people left and right are you? Not to mention his two sons. No invasion = more deaths. See my above post too, I edited it a little late.

How can you say that? We didn't kill them. There are so many events leading up to a person's death, how can you possibly hold people accountable? EDIT: Another one, that better demonstrates my point. And it's real too. My dad had a friend once, he used to work with him, not really close...

That seems silly, you said earlier: Lots of those weren't our doing.

I thought the website only listed civilian deaths which resulted from U.S. mistakes?

Lots more, I only went down the page a tiny bit.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm Ehh, this lists all civilians killed by terrorists too, it's not just U.S./England/whoever's bombs going off target, or some Marine accidentally shooting a woman. EDIT: This also caught my eye: Hmm, I wonder how good their health care was under...

I hate to sound like an ass, but where do they get their numbers? Iraqbodycount.com just doesn't seem like a credible source to me.

Can't support your argument?

If they're living in a terrorist training camp they're probably already a terrorist anyway. Link please. EDIT: Another link please.

No, we don't target civilians, we're not COWARDS. Sure, mistakes are made in war, but targetting civilians isn't war, it's terrorism. That's what seperates the terrorists from our soldiers. We target TERRORIST TRAINING CAMPS, not "You killed 3000 of our people, we're going to nuke your country...