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Let me clarify my thinking. Valve should care due the reasons I gave (ie 'our fans will be pissed'). I think that that prior to the benchmark going public Valve tried desperately to get Nvidia cards to perform decently (ie custom path). After they ran out of time they decided to partner with...

Exactly. I knew all about Valve reputation for being late on everything, but they were so sure of themselves this time (like a month ago) so the 2-3 month delay just doesn't add up.

Good sh*t.:cheese:

You bring up the point with the custom path issue, although Nvidia could be just trying to make a card that is actually designed for DX9 that would use the standard DX9 path (the same one ATI runs). This would elminate the need for mixmode I assume (as long as their FPP is on point). As far...

Couple of points to make. 1. The average cycle for GPU's is 6 months. Nvidia released the FX 5900 back in June. With a card that's as deficent in DX9 shader performance as 5900 is, I'd think Nvidia would pool all it's resources into the next card (when the 5800 flopped they came out 5900 in...

Err. Too late to edit. What I mean was the delay NOT being due to a 'show stopper bug' or Steam.

Well if you've been following the whole HL2 scene for the last 2-3 months, you'd know theres been alot of confusion on the subject. People (I being one of them,) want to know why the delay happened (and not the 'it's not done' canned response). Of course if you've got a better idea for a...

This was just posted in the Valve info thread: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gabe Newell" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Netcode Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:42:23 -0700 Not true. -----Original Message----- Sent...

Even optimized, the current FX crop isn't really suited for DX9. I think this is all about giving Nvidia more time to release their next chip, the competitor to the 9800XT (or 9900). Valve will surely use this time to fine-tune the game the best they can for Nvidia and of course make ATI...

My current theory is this: Valve's been saying that ATI cards perform better in HL2 long before the benchmarking that was done a couple weeks ago. This means Nvidia must have known about their poor performance (dispite their claims) prior to the benchmark numbers going public (think July)...

So October 8th is the new Catalyst 3.8 release date. Hopefully we will have HL2 benchmark to test at that point on our own rigs. Regardless the press will have it for sure, so we'll be seeing some new, truly optimized, performance results soon.

Yeah, I thought about that too, but hey Doug deserves it, and his email is pretty much public record at this point. Feath I saw your post on PHL when you quoted Frag saying he'd shut up now as an upside to the delay. :cheers: BTW: In print it's libel not slander. Slander is spoken.

Sad but true. I really started to hate Fragmaster with all the negative stuff (pre-delay) he was posting, but right now I'm not too angry with him. Infact I'm pretty amazed that he hasn't been as big of an ass as I expected. I'm not a fan of his by any means, but he did handle the post-delay...

Yup. The funny thing is I knew all about Valve's reputation for always being late with everything (from HL1 to patchs to TF2) and still for some odd reason I believed them when they kept on saying September 30th. They didn't even have the class to explain themselves in the least. I mean...

I guess I'll give more attention to Max Payne 2, instead of playing it a day and going back to HL2. We'd better get some NEW media from Valve for fking with our heads for 2 months. The benchmark better go PUBLIC soon, as well as the 3 videos we were promised. Come to think of it, a 4th...

Far Cry comes out in early November. Max Payne 2 gonna be fun for sure. Maybe now I'll get to play that more than I would have if HL2 came out. Lots of cool stuff coming out soon (ie Matrix Reloaded dvd and above games,) but I would trade them all being delayed 4 more months if I could have...

Join the club.:cheers:

Lol.

Diddo. There is a *small* chance this might happen. I'd be more than happy with d/ling it.

It was definately bullshit how they let people who believed in Valve down like this. What an anticlimax. Still no press release or anything either. They gave EVERY indication that the game was still on track for the 30th, despite the millions of delay questions they got. They mislead alot of...