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Hmm, you seem to be the kind of kid who should spend more time in school, rather than complaining that someone hasn't entertained you today...

Thats a bit harsh DrunkPanda, some of you guys really need to pull back and get a grip sometimes, this is a game, and its dougs job to do the PR for it.

CROM, great avatar, and i like the "1 Lombardi" definition. From speaking with Doug, i imagine he'd think it was pretty funny too (in light of things past :)

uh yeah, cos flint is metal....

Hmm, well i can't say i pestered them, i just spoke with Doug and Greg when i was at ECTS last year.

Heres the one vALVE kindly sent me. www.madmaxx.demon.co.uk/hl2-1.gif www.madmaxx.demon.co.uk/hl2-2.gif And yes, its currently away getting framed :)

HL2 is supposed to have very accurate hitboxes, at the end of the day, hitboxes are what everything uses, its just the shape of the boxes that makes the difference.

This is related to the Half-Life engine, hl2 uses the source engine, there shouldn't be any cross over problem at all.

yes it can be speed run using loads of tricks and bug exploits in 45 mins 45secs, and its quite an entertaining watch. But developing a game engine from scratch, that has taken 4 years, the rest of the time was developing content.

CS Source is an in house mod, for want of a better referral, its not something that would be submitted under the RC conditions. In fact, based on that, it shouldn't hold it up much at all.

Yes there are a few things like textures, and as has already been stated, this is NOT the final RC, Even Gabe said they normally have a few RC's. But, as the information stands at this time, i'd say that the playable version of CS Source (as opposed to the SDK sample) will not be on the HL2...

"Shipping a part of CS:Source was the best compromise of a number of factors" Um, looks imho like SDK, but that doesn't mean i'm right :/ Yes i think we're all excited about the Doom3 release, which reminds me, i must go preorder that. We're not all trying to deny the possibility of a...

It may have seemed a little harsh elephant, for that i apologise, it wasn't what i intended, however, your statement of "I doesnt get much clearer than that. It will be included with Half Life 2. That can only mean one thing, CS:S is in the HL2 box." unfortunately only states one outcome...

OK, elephant, no, your understanding of english evades you at this point i'm sorry to say, read my post. Alan, yes, its only required for the SDK, it is the example code they are using for a mod in the SDK, which they want on the CD, if there are still minor bugs, and lets face it, vALVE do...

Ok thanks, that is what i was looking for, however; 1) It says available at the same time ( and there is that word *planned* again) 2) It says it will be included with (this does NOT mean on the CD as i originally presumed) it just means as someone else posted, it will be available to...

Sparta, that make most sense so far.

Yeah, there has been lots more up to date info on the avilability of CS source, so technically h4vvok's info is wellout of date.

:/ hmm, can't find it now, (convenient i know) it was on my home comp somewhere, what i can find however, is the most recent interview, quoted on the front page of this site in fact, that CS source and hl2 are *planned* to be available *together* This of course doesn't mean they are on the...

lol, lets see if i can find it.

Actually h4vvok, if you read the latest info, CS source is on the HL2 CD.