15 yr old girl gets death threats for making anti-war video

[CptStern]

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Ava-Lowery-CNN-S.mov


****ing pathetic

 

[Raziaar]

Your .mov link redirects to the main site.

Copy and paste the link into your browser, instead of clicking the link.

EDIT: I think its pretty sick anybody would make death threats to anybody just for speaking out against a war, much less a young person.

Violent mentality is not something you go into a war with, not in my opinion. Having people defend a war with violent intimidation tactics, is not a good thing.

 

[CptStern]

oops sorry ..ya copy paste link

 

[TheSomeone]

She's hideous, self-righteous and arrogant.
I do agree with her message though.

 

[15357]

She's hideous, self-righteous and arrogant.

And who cares. I get death threats all the time in my email.

 

[Jintor]

Yeah, but you're totalitarianistic, mind-controlled, and loving it.

 

[15357]

Lol.


Most of them are like: "Communism ftw, bitch. You nazi-fascists will blahblahblah"

 

[bliink]

Kinda proves the point for anti-war arguments when they start getting pro war people threatening to kill over it

 

[15357]

Kinda proves the point for anti-war arguments when they start getting pro war people threatening to kill over it

Well, it kinda proves the points for the pro-war people (such as me), when they get anti-war people's death threats.


Anti-war loonies are the same as pro-war loonies.

 

[Solaris]

Well, it kinda proves the points for the pro-war people (such as me), when they get anti-war people's death threats.


Anti-war loonies are the same as pro-war loonies.

Why aren't you in your cage?

 

[15357]

I broke out. Internet wasn't fast enough.

 

[CptStern]

Well, it kinda proves the points for the pro-war people (such as me), when they get anti-war people's death threats.


Anti-war loonies are the same as pro-war loonies.

man shut up, you're like some freakin broken record

btw ..arent anti-anything people lined up and shot in your neck of the woods?

 

[15357]

man shut up, you're like some freakin broken record

btw ..arent anti-anything people lined up and shot in your neck of the woods?

You're like a broken record too, actually. Your continued Bush = evil, Iraq war = bad threads/posts are on the same level as my rants.


Well, they don't execute people anymore, they just lock them up for 8 months or so. Not anti-communists, though.

 

[gick]

Violent mentality is not something you go into a war with, not in my opinion.

Hold on a minute.....

 

[Geogaddi]

She's hideous, self-righteous and arrogant.
I do agree with her message though.

Just like Stern

Well, I'm assuming the hideous part, considering he replies to post-your-pic threads with an image of the back half of a boat.

Anyways, this girl is going on my death threats list ASAP.

 

[CptStern]

Just like Stern

Well, I'm assuming the hideous part, considering he replies to post-your-pic threads with an image of the back half of a boat.

Anyways, this girl is going on my death threats list ASAP.

hmmm I posted that over a year ago I think ..which is odd because you just joined last month

You're like a broken record too, actually. Your continued Bush = evil, Iraq war = bad threads/posts are on the same level as my rants.

the difference between you and I is that I talk about other things , like video games ..you on the other hand ....do you even play video games or is that too much of a capitalist dog thing to do?

Well, they don't execute people anymore, they just lock them up for 8 months or so. Not anti-communists, though.

yes yes they're celebrated and are "true" patriots, we know the drill. Just tone down on the propaganda, for most of us it's as foreign as religious extremism

 

[Ennui]

Well, it kinda proves the points for the pro-war people (such as me), when they get anti-war people's death threats.


Anti-war loonies are the same as pro-war loonies.

Anti-war loonies tend to kill less people.

The girl in the video is horrifically arrogant, regardless of how attractive or unattractive she is, and I bet she's going to be one of those people even superliberals like me can't stand to talk to when she's older... but it's not okay for people to threaten her life because she thinks that war is a bad thing.

 

[Raziaar]

Hold on a minute.....

Hold on a minute what? I stand by what I said. You don't go to war wanting blood in this day and age... that leads to great atrocities. There should be a determination and goal to get the bad guys, yes... but it should not be hatred fueled against the country you go against, lest your people really do some terrible, terrible things far beyond what you have seen in this current iraq war.

 

[CptStern]

Hold on a minute what? I stand by what I said. You don't go to war wanting blood in this day and age... that leads to great atrocities. There should be a determination and goal to get the bad guys, yes... but it should not be hatred fueled against the country you go against, lest your people really do some terrible, terrible things far beyond what you have seen in this current iraq war.

over 80% of US soldiers believed saddam had something to do with 9/11 ...they didnt get that idea from out of the blue. The military doesnt want soldiers that think, they want soldiers that will follow orders. It is in their best interests to have the soldiers believe that the enemy is less than human ..it makes them easier to kill. And the evidence is overwhelming that some (I'm starting to believe it's systematic) US soldiers see iraqis as less than human ..civilians included

....a senior Pentagon official with direct knowledge of the investigation has said evidence indicates troops entered the town in search of an insurgent and, failing to find him, grabbed an unarmed man from his home and shot him.

After the killing, the troops planted a shovel and an AK-47 rifle at the scene to make it appear the man was trying to plant an explosive device

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060621/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/marines_iraq_shooting

 

[Ennui]

Hold on a minute what? I stand by what I said. You don't go to war wanting blood in this day and age...

That's so not true. Maybe the politicians aren't foaming at the mouth for some Iraqi blood to be spilt, but if you think the soldiers aren't excited about combat a lot of the time (or outwardly anyway) then you've got another thing coming to you.

that leads to great atrocities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_killings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
Also, if you don't think that war itself is a great atrocity, I'm a bit frightened for the human race, because you're a pretty levelheaded guy.

There should be a determination and goal to get the bad guys, yes... but it should not be hatred fueled against the country you go against, lest your people really do some terrible, terrible things far beyond what you have seen in this current iraq war.

You seem pretty confident that our soldiers are veritable avatars of shining morality and justice. Might want to reconsider. You don't go into a warzone with peace and love on your mind.

 

[Raziaar]

What?

Why the attacks against what I said? I think you guys are grossly misinterpreting what I really mean. I realize there are a great many problems with the current war, and all the issues related to it... but what i'm talking about is the mentality of pure hatred... think of the Japanese treatment of the Chinese and others during WWII.

You seem pretty confident that our soldiers are veritable avatars of shining morality and justice. Might want to reconsider. You don't go into a warzone with peace and love on your mind.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...alGraner55.jpg

I don't think all the soldiers over there are veritable avatars of shining morality and justice. Nor do I think any of them are. I think they are regular people just like you and me, who are thrust into a situation where they have very little control.

I have ALWAYS spoken out against the terrible things those rogue soldiers have done.

 

[gick]

Hold on a minute what? I stand by what I said. You don't go to war wanting blood in this day and age... that leads to great atrocities. There should be a determination and goal to get the bad guys, yes... but it should not be hatred fueled against the country you go against, lest your people really do some terrible, terrible things far beyond what you have seen in this current iraq war.

I was refering to the fact that you seemed to imply that you can go to war without a violent mentality. War, by its very definition, is violent and you have to have a violent mentality. You cant stroll in throwing ****ing daffodils at everyone.

 

[Raziaar]

I was refering to the fact that you seemed to imply that you can go to war without a violent mentality. War, by its very definition, is violent and you have to have a violent mentality. You cant stroll in throwing ****ing daffodils at everyone.

I am aware of that... I guess i didn't choose my words properly.

There are many varying degrees of a violent mentality to be had. You don't want your armies going in with thoughts of genocide and other horrible shit.

 

[Ennui]

Well, we're not that horrible.. but we're not cuddly either. The army promotes an atmosphere of hatred towards enemy forces that often includes racism.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I agree with Raziaar - you shouldn't go into a war with a mentality of 'blood for blood'. That leads to very very bad situations.

 

[DeusExMachina]

How is she arrogant and self-righteous?

This is pretty cool. Glad to see there's more teenagers who actually care.

 

[Laivasse]

Hold on a minute what? I stand by what I said. You don't go to war wanting blood in this day and age... that leads to great atrocities. There should be a determination and goal to get the bad guys, yes... but it should not be hatred fueled against the country you go against, lest your people really do some terrible, terrible things far beyond what you have seen in this current iraq war.

You're right in that you shouldn't go to war in hatred, but you're wrong if you think that war can be fought in any other way. War is never clean. The only way to avoid the atrocities of war is to avoid going to war altogether. I mean, noone denies the right of the Allies to defend themselves in WW2 - but noone really talks about how the Allies carpet bombed civilians etc. either. The inevitable atrocites of war make an unjustified war all the more bitter.

 

[Ennui]

How is she arrogant and self-righteous?

Her opinion of herself comes across as very much better than other 15 year olds.

I respect and appreciate what she's doing, but i'd probably get in a fight with her if I actually had to talk to her.

 

[Raziaar]

I mean, noone denies the right of the Allies to defend themselves in WW2 - but noone really talks about how the Allies carpet bombed civilians etc. either.

I don't know where you learned about WWII... but carpet bombing was one of the things gone into detail when I learned about it. Unfortunately that style of war was still very new, and they didn't have the alternatives they have today.

 

[99.vikram]

When soldiers are sent to war, they are taught to accept that the enemy is inferior and evil.
These mental pictures don't disappear after the war is won.

Many US soldiers may still consider the Iraqis "enemies", or at least untrustworthy.

 

[Laivasse]

I don't know where you learned about WWII... but carpet bombing was one of the things gone into detail when I learned about it. Unfortunately that style of war was still very new, and they didn't have the alternatives they have today.

I didn't say it wasn't taught - simply not talked about when we think back to one of the only real examples we have of a 'just war'. I know for a short while Blair tried to liken himself to Churchill, a heroic figure tackling some maniacal despot who is a threat to world stability, as if this comparison to the WW2 situation somehow elevates us and puts us on another moral level. The nature of war renders this irrelevant, since atrocities are likely no matter what the motivation is for fighting. No matter how we like to imagine the possibility of fighting a clean, neat war devoid of hatred, this is a fantasy and the civilian death toll in Iraq shows us that.

As for the vid - I thought the girl's attitude was fine? Not particularly outspoken IMO.

 

[Ennui]

I don't know where you learned about WWII... but carpet bombing was one of the things gone into detail when I learned about it. Unfortunately that style of war was still very new, and they didn't have the alternatives they have today.

We're still murdering thousands of innocents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html

I learned about how this study was performed because I had to do an in-depth analysis on its methods in my statistics class, and 100,000 deaths is a conservative estimate from it. It could be double that; especially considering Fallujah deaths were excluded as an extreme outlier. The sampling design is flawless and thorough.

100,000 deaths is far too many.

 

[Yuri]

What the hell is with the Christian hymn? She says its cuz she is religious herself, I guess. But it seems like she is blaming Christians by being ironic. And its kind of disturbing.

 

[CptStern]

We're still murdering thousands of innocents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7967-2004Oct28.html

I learned about how this study was performed because I had to do an in-depth analysis on its methods in my statistics class, and 100,000 deaths is a conservative estimate from it. It could be double that; especially considering Fallujah deaths were excluded as an extreme outlier. The sampling design is flawless and thorough.

100,000 deaths is far too many.

yes and it was conducted in 2004 ...one year into occupation ..it's now been 3 years ..so the number, conservatively, could be 300,000

 

[Ome_Vince]

The thing is no war is/turns out "clean" or "rightious", while most pro-war people try their best to picture it like this.

This also ends in several ordinary soldiers commiting attrocities due to the enormous amounts of stress they encounter, when the line between soldier-civilian is pretty much non existant (especially in Iraq), the next logical step is that attrocities happen.
Its not because all the soldiers are "assholes" or "stupid idiots" its the "situation" they're in. It exposes the worst in humanity, and its only natural you get rotten appels.

This happened in every war, and will continue to happen in future wars. We should think about this before going to war..

Anyways, it is pretty sick to be receiving death threats, though i wouldnt take that whole thing out of proportion. I didnt watch the entire video, as internet here is pretty slow, so correct me if i missed something important, but it smells like a media-hype, i mean cmon, any 14 year old can send her a nice email/mail/phone calls wishing she would die..

 

[theotherguy]

most 15 year olds around here are the exact opposite, and most of the one's I've met have the opinion that the middle east should be nuked. That's probably because I live in a sea of ultraconservatives. It's good to see that a young person actually cares about the war and has an opinion about it, even though she does come off as arrogant.

The video itself was interesting. The "yes jesus loves me" was an excellent choice, because its ironic. It's probably why she's getting death threats. Personally I would have chosen "onward christian soldiers" On second thought I made an anti-war song when I was 15 and didn't get any attention at all, lol.

 

[Yuri]

I personally don't see a reason to randomly throw Christianity into it. It seemed like she was making the war out to be a Crusade or something, which it isn't. Its just throwing out baseless accusations for a reaction. I hate when people do that shit, it really pisses me off.

Pretty horrible that that many civilians have died, though. :/

 

[CptStern]

I think she's saying that as christians they shouldnt be turning a blind eye to the deaths in iraq ..she's just advocating her POV from a christian perspective ..I dont think there's a religion for the sake of religion argument here

 

[gick]

I think the christian angle is in there because of what Bush said about god telling him to invade Iraq. IIRC that quote pops up on the screen while shes talking.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I think the christian angle is in there because of what Bush said about god telling him to invade Iraq. IIRC that quote pops up on the screen while shes talking.

That's what I was thinking.