40,000 Xbox 360s Sold on eBay

[craig]

>> From next-gen.biz:

According to eBay president and CEO Meg Whitman, a staggering 40,000 Xbox 360 consoles have been sold on eBay.

As reported by Dow Jones last night based upon a presentation at the CSFB Annual Technology Conference, the 40,000 unit figure has left pundits flabbergasted. If launch supply estimates from American Technology Research are accurate, that would mean that 10% of all Xbox 360 consoles sold in the US were either sold or resold through eBay.

Read More: next-gen.biz

So that explains why I couldn't get one. Damn eBayers out to make a quick buck.

 

[Garfield_]

Haha, buy for retail price and sell for higher when its no longer available in the stores, people go crazy these days

 

[Kamikazie]

i wish one of those 40,000 was to me

ME WANTS 360!

 

[Beerdude26]

i wish one of those 40,000 was to me

ME WANTS 360!

I watched CoD 2 on XBOX360, and let me tell you :
(FPS_Doug style)

IT OWNS!

 

[Dumb Dude]

Thats not all that was sold on ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-Premiu...239122889QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You are only getting a box and it isn't even the one the Xbox 360 comes in. It is a small cardboard box that I have written the words "Xbox 360 Premium System" on. What you are getting looks nothing like the pictures. You are not getting anything that is pictured.

 

[VictimOfScience]

Wow, 40,000 idiots willing to pay much more than retail just to get their hands on a system for "launch." More evidence that society is full of big fat suckers that an even remotely hyped-up marketing campaign can whip into a frothing frenzy of cash ejaculation. Pity...;(

 

[joule]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-...238965234QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I think it's worth it.

 

[DrDevin]

Wow, 40,000 idiots willing to pay much more than retail just to get their hands on a system for "launch." More evidence that society is full of big fat suckers that an even remotely hyped-up marketing campaign can whip into a frothing frenzy of cash ejaculation. Pity...;(

Your just jealous :naughty:

I do think that many people have been left disappointed because of supply shortages. Some people odered in the summer and wont get theirs in time for christmas. I am just going to wait for the other consoles to come out and for prices to drop (and hardware to be avaliable) before I buy.

 

[Asuka]

Me and my friend sold 2!

 

[DrDevin]

Me and my friend sold 2!

For how much?

 

[VirusType2]

Thats not all that was sold on ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-Premiu...239122889QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

that is just ****ed up dude. Even I wouldn't stoop that low as to sell a cardboard box for $500 with the words XBOX 360 Premium Bundle written in pen on the front... and someone bought it immediately. BUY NOW!

That is cruel and unusual.

Thats got to be a crime man, I'd rather rob a convenience store than to be that dishonest

* Xbox 360 Console * Xbox 360 20 gig Hard Drive * Xbox 360 Wireless Controller * Xbox 360 Universal Media Remote Control * Component HD AV Cable * Xbox 360 Headset and Ethernet Cable * One Month Xbox Live Gold Trial, plus free Xbox Live Silver Membership* * Power supply and cord * Instruction manuals The previous items listed are what would come with this if it were actually an Xbox. You are only getting a box, not an Xbox or any other related hardware or software. If you back out after winning this auction you will be reported to ebay. Immediate payment required. You are only getting a box and it isn't even the one the Xbox 360 comes in. It is a small cardboard box that I have written the words "Xbox 360 Premium System" on. What you are getting looks nothing like the pictures. You are not getting anything that is pictured. By bidding, you agree that you have read the entire auction and agree to all terms, conditions, and what you are receiving.

 

[ailevation]

I don't get how that is dishonest.

If you click the link and read the whole thing, you'll see that the guy clearly states that what he is selling is nothing in the picture, but a cardboard box with that stuff written on it.

And it's only deceiving if you're an idiot that doesn't read the description.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

this is funny in a way because one would think retail stores would every last Xbox 360 since Microsoft purposely stopped manufacturing them.

anyway its even more funny seeing people go crazy and purchase them knowing they are so over priced.

 

[nutcrackr]

Wow that's almost 10% of total sold in the US

Edit: That doesn't sound right

 

[VirusType2]

I don't get how that is dishonest.

If you click the link and read the whole thing, you'll see that the guy clearly states that what he is selling is nothing in the picture, but a cardboard box with that stuff written on it.

And it's only deceiving if you're an idiot that doesn't read the description.

How can you not see this as not being dishonest??

the guy is selling a cardboard box for $500 and shows pictures and lists the features of the premium xbox360 system and all the items it includes and lists the item he is selling as an xbox360 - not a cardboard box.

notice the box he is selling is not even related in any way to an xbox360 besides the fact he wrote that on the box.


I wouldn't even call the guy/girl who bought it an idiot. It's obvious he took advantage of the fact that the systems are a hot item, and whoever found that link quickly bought it before anyone else could, thinking the system could sell any second

 

[Ravioli]

I dont see any reason to buy Xbox 360 when it cant even run QuakeIV with highest settings...wtf? Wait for Playstation 3, technically it is better, and its not even out yet which mean they are still building on it makeing it even better then it is today.

 

[Dumb Dude]

I don't get how that is dishonest.

If you click the link and read the whole thing, you'll see that the guy clearly states that what he is selling is nothing in the picture, but a cardboard box with that stuff written on it.

And it's only deceiving if you're an idiot that doesn't read the description.

Its "dishonest" because he listed this in the Video Games > System catagory, and he obvisouly did it to mislead people into buying his dumb box. Kinda funny though, I'm sure the guy that bought it isn't going to pay for it, and the seller isn't even a registered user anymore....I wonder why. Hahah.

 

[VirusType2]

I dont see any reason to buy Xbox 360 when it cant even run QuakeIV with highest settings...wtf? Wait for Playstation 3, technically it is better, and its not even out yet which mean they are still building on it makeing it even better then it is today.

Quake 4 is a port.
Please remember that the Xbox game Fable is much better on the Xbox and has some serious issues on the PC. and thats just an Xbox game. Most of the time a port is not quite as good as the original machine it was designed to run on.

As far as I know, Quake 4 uses Open GL instead of DirectX3D (created by Microsoft and rumored to run better on ATI cards. Xbox360 and PS3 use ATI graphics chips)

Thats unfair to Judge an entire system from 1 launch title game - one that didn't even get great reviews for the PC - that isn't using 33% (1 of 3 cores) of the processing power on x360 and its running the latest - a brand new PC game - in a resolution so high that is almost double what a standard TV can even display. And it does run the game, it just loses some frames sometimes. I've watched the video review from Gamespot where he attempts to show you that the framerate drops but I could not notice it. The game runs really smooth as far as I could see. It still plays 10000 times better than it does on my PC. Quake 4 runs at as low as 9 fps in some spots on my PC in its lowest resolution with nearly every graphic option, including shadows turned off. My PC plays games like HL2 at an average of 50 fps in medium resolution by contrast.

(which probably speaks more to the lackluster quality of the game's translation from the PC than to the system's power, judging by how well the 360's two other first-person shooters look by comparison)

Keep in mind that QUAKE 4 for the PC laughs at most computers, but runs virtually without a hitch on the Xbox 360; a no-brainer when taking into account the price of admission for this level of PC-quality gaming.

Its debateable if the PS3 is even as good as the 360, right now they aren't making it any better - besides trying to figure out how to keep it from frying without adding case ventilation, and how they will keep you from playing rented games or playing or selling your used games.

so please don't tell me to wait for PS3 when It doesn't exsist yet. Thats the equivalent of saying "im waiting for Xbox 540!" You are going to spend your whole life waiting, only to be disapointed becuase by it comes out, you will say, "Im waiting for xbox 720!"

By the time the PS3 comes out the 360 will have like 100 good games out

 

[Dumb Dude]

Just a quick note: The PS3 has an Nvidia graphics chipset, not ATi.

Also, WTF happened with the above post, isn't this thread about ebay and crazy people with no patience?

 

[Kamikazie]

i guess you could say that he is crazy for typing all of that...

 

[VirusType2]

i guess you could say that he is crazy for typing all of that...

Whether I'm crazy or not is debateable.

Sorry for going off topic with Ravioli

Its just when people say, "Wait for PS3" the same could be said, "Why wait for the PS3, next gen is here already" the differences in the graphics capability is negligible. I am certain that some games will be better on the 360 and some will be better on the PS3. I wonder how much a difference it will make depending on games that use Open GL and games that use DirectX3D. It seems to make a huge difference on my PC which uses ATI. It no likey Open GL.

A point could be made to wait for the Nintendo Revolution, seeing as it is half the launch cost, but the graphics capability won't be as high as 360 and PS3.

 

[Cole]

but the graphics capability won't be as high as 360 and PS3.

Well actually, it could be...we really don't know...
Im not saying that it is, I mean it will probably have quite worse graphic power but....

I wonder how much a difference it will make depending on games that use Open GL and games that use DirectX3D.

The 360 only supports DX, and the Revolution and PS3 only support Open GL.

It seems to make a huge difference on my PC which uses ATI. It no likey Open GL.

Got the newest drivers? ATI has recently gave a massive boost to Open GL games via there newest drivers.

 

[BeaverMon]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-...238965234QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

10 MILLION?!?! WOAH!!!!!

 

[Kamikazie]

its almost 11 million...

 

[Dumb Dude]

Got the newest drivers? ATI has recently gave a massive boost to Open GL games via there newest drivers.

This only affects the x1000 cards I beleive.

 

[The Monkey]

I'm thinking of buying one. Is it worth the money?

 

[MiccyNarc]

I'm preordering as many PS3s and Revolutions as possible and am going to sell all but one each on eBay. I'm also going to sell the boxes as the ones I keep, guaranteed cash.

 

[VirusType2]

I'm thinking of buying one. Is it worth the money?

for the price of a very good graphics card you can buy a 360 premium package with the hard drive, wireless control and voice com headset

It is said the 360 is as powerful as 2 top end graphics cards


$299 a good deal? **** yea dude

Here is the lowdown:

Report: MS Losing $126 Per X360
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/673/673154p1.html

xbox360 launch review
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/673/673188p4.html

(And it's now been confirmed that all Xbox games will be compatible with the system: eventually.)

 

[WacK]

still don't want one..

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

and how they will keep you from playing rented games or playing or selling your used games.

No they aren't... They already said that they weren't going to use that patent to restrict the playing of used games on the PS3.

The patent was filed in September 2000 in the US, and in late 1999 in Japan, it was patented before the PS2 was even launched, and patented in the US before the PS2 was released here.

 

[Cole]

Report: MS Losing $126 Per X360

Thats nothing special, they all lose money(minus nintendo) off there consoles.
They make money cuz each game that get sold thats 3rd party they make $10 off of.

 

[Asuka]

For how much?

Premium package 740$

 

[Dumb Dude]

It is said the 360 is as powerful as 2 top end graphics cards

Ok ok, the 360 is good and all, but DO NOT go as far as to say it can be as good as 2 7800gtx's. I know the GTX cards are way more expensive but I am just letting you know, there is no way a 360 can top that or even match that.

 

[VirusType2]

Ok ok, the 360 is good and all, but DO NOT go as far as to say it can be as good as 2 7800gtx's. I know the GTX cards are way more expensive but I am just letting you know, there is no way a 360 can top that or even match that.

It's hard to get a clear answer about how powerful the 360 is, but to sum it up, depending on the way it is programed, the 360's unique architecture allows for some serious mother****ing processing. Problem is -as with most any console - that it will take some time (up to 2 years) to learn to use the 360's advantages - A learning curve.

Regardless of the paths that lead to this road, it is obvious that the Xbox 360 will be a geometry power house. Not only are all 3 blocks of 16 shaders able to become vertex shaders, but ATI's GPU will be able to handle twice as many z operations if a z only pass is performed. The same is true of current ATI and NVIDIA hardware, but the fact that a geometry only pass can now make use of shader hardware to perform 48 vector and 48 scalar operations in any given clock cycle while doing twice the z operations is quite intriguing. This could allow some very geometrically complicated scenes.

The Xbox360 GPU is able to crunch 240 32bit components in its shader units per clock cycle. Where this is a 51% increase in the number of ops that can be done per cycle

Performance of this hardware is a very difficult aspect to assess without testing the system. The potential is there for some nice gains over the current high end desktop part, but it is very difficult to know how easily software engineers will be able to functionally use the hardware before they fully understand it and have programmed for it for a while. Certainly, the learning curve won't be as steep as something like the PlayStation 2 was (DirectX is still the API), but knowing what works and what doesn't will take some time.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7

No they aren't... They already said that they weren't going to use that patent to restrict the playing of used games on the PS3.

The patent was filed in September 2000 in the US, and in late 1999 in Japan, it was patented before the PS2 was even launched, and patented in the US before the PS2 was released here.

Source?
Let me remind you that renting games is already illegal in japan thanks to software companies and they are threatening (trying their best) to stop the sale of used games in japan regardless of any technology their systems may or may not use.

Thats nothing special, they all lose money(minus nintendo) off there consoles.
They make money cuz each game that get sold thats 3rd party they make $10 off of.

Nintendo is not immune. They take losses too.

And you are right, while it is standard practice to lose money on the system, my point was simply that the hardware is a great deal. If it weren't for this the system would be out of the price range of many more people.

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

Source?
Let me remind you that renting games is already illegal in japan thanks to software companies and they are threatening (trying their best) to stop the sale of used games in japan regardless of any technology their systems may or may not use.

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000213068073/

A SCEE spokesperson recently stated, “this is false speculation… PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console.”

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...aragi+AND+an/Sony&RS=(IN/Kutaragi+AND+AN/Sony

Inventors: Kutaragi; Ken (Kanagawa, JP)
Assignee: Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (JP)
Appl. No.: 657895
Filed: September 8, 2000
Foreign Application Priority Data
Sep 12, 1999[JP] 11-298690
Nov 30, 1999[JP] 11-341198

 

[Cole]

Nintendo is not immune. They take losses too.

And you are right, while it is standard practice to lose money on the system, my point was simply that the hardware is a great deal. If it weren't for this the system would be out of the price range of many more people.

Of course they loose some money. But Nintendo only lost single digits AFTER THE PRICE CUT.
What was microsoft loosing? Over a $100?....

Regardless of the paths that lead to this road, it is obvious that the Xbox 360 will be a geometry power house. Not only are all 3 blocks of 16 shaders able to become vertex shaders, but ATI's GPU will be able to handle twice as many z operations if a z only pass is performed. The same is true of current ATI and NVIDIA hardware, but the fact that a geometry only pass can now make use of shader hardware to perform 48 vector and 48 scalar operations in any given clock cycle while doing twice the z operations is quite intriguing. This could allow some very geometrically complicated scenes.

The Xbox360 GPU is able to crunch 240 32bit components in its shader units per clock cycle. Where this is a 51% increase in the number of ops that can be done per cycle

Please tell me what GPU they are comparing it to.
If it's the 6800GT or something similar, well the 7800GTX can outperform 2 of those so now we don't really know the true level plus with processors even having quite the increase.
Not only that but the 1800XT or the 7800 512meg GTX(Basically an Ultra, much much more overclocked).

No doubt the GPU will be extremely fast and extremely great and that you only have to optimize just for that gpu and no doubt the price vs performance ratio is incredible.

But in the end a PC will offer much more.
1) Lower priced games
2) Having to deal with "bugs" and such can eaisly lead to letting you fix computers and I'll tell you..in my area it's soo in demand it's not even funny.
3) The Pc actually can give you a "future" so quite often it's not a complete waste of time. I've learned how to build webpages using PHP, HTML, Javascript. I'm starting on the basics of C++.
So Futurerice ratio Pc dominates.

Plus lets also start including other factors like controllers breaking and etc...
With the oringal Xbox my cousins went through 8 controllers total. They have 4 kids in there house and etc...
All in all they told me the controlelrs costed about $50 a piece or so. $400 for all the damn controllers plus $300 for there oringal xbox brings you to a nice $700. Plus they've had 3 Xbox's so far cuz shit keeps on breakin. They have friends over quite a bit.
Thats adds up to about $1100 cuz of price cuts. Thats near how much I paid for my home built PC.

The Prices in the long run don't are much closer togeather than to prices in the short run.

 

[VirusType2]

No they aren't... They already said that they weren't going to use that patent to restrict the playing of used games on the PS3.

The next time you find out information like that you let us know immediately
Most of us were under the impression they were quite probably going to use that technology.

Of course they loose some money. But Nintendo only lost single digits AFTER THE PRICE CUT.
What was microsoft loosing? Over a $100?....

whether its 50$ or 99$ or $126 dollars is still losing money and I seriously doubt their launch price of only $200 was not at a loss, considering they developed a new disc type and everything.
Again, my point was simply that the price of a 360 was a good deal. the question was asked is it worth the cost

Please tell me what GPU they are comparing it to.
If it's the 6800GT or something similar, well the 7800GTX can outperform 2 of those so now we don't really know the true level plus with processors even having quite the increase.
Not only that but the 1800XT or the 7800 512meg GTX(Basically an Ultra, much much more overclocked).

"current ATI and NVIDIA hardware"
the article date is Date: June 24th, 2005
I think they were saying it was like two 6800's
checking back at the article It's not 100% clear to me but I believe they were saying it tops the performance of ATi's top graphics card and the GeForce 7800 GTX - both approximately $700 graphics cards

No doubt the GPU will be extremely fast and extremely great and that you only have to optimize just for that gpu and no doubt the price vs performance ratio is incredible.

Yes that was my point

But in the end a PC will offer much more.
1) Lower priced games
2) Having to deal with "bugs" and such can eaisly lead to letting you fix computers and I'll tell you..in my area it's soo in demand it's not even funny.
3) The Pc actually can give you a "future" so quite often it's not a complete waste of time. I've learned how to build webpages using PHP, HTML, Javascript. I'm starting on the basics of C++.
So Futurerice ratio Pc dominates.

Plus lets also start including other factors like controllers breaking and etc...
With the oringal Xbox my cousins went through 8 controllers total. They have 4 kids in there house and etc...
All in all they told me the controlelrs costed about $50 a piece or so. $400 for all the damn controllers plus $300 for there oringal xbox brings you to a nice $700. Plus they've had 3 Xbox's so far cuz shit keeps on breakin. They have friends over quite a bit.
Thats adds up to about $1100 cuz of price cuts. Thats near how much I paid for my home built PC.

The Prices in the long run don't are much closer togeather than to prices in the short run.

You are correct consoles are static systems.
This is good and bad. Good becuase all the software will be 100% compatible and run the best it can, bad becuase in 5 years time the graphics will be somewhat tame and the processing power of consoles is not upgradable. As for controllers - I've never had to buy a new control. The controllers are closer to $30 than $50 for the xbox. Also, I can't tell you how many Mice i have gone through on my PC, and they are relatively the same price. So your argument here is not valid.
My Xbox control wowed me with its quality and I can give you a quote of someone saying that the new xbox360 control is made of industrial strentgh material and another several quotes saying it is the best controller ever made.

Bottom line is if you don't take care of your stuff its going to break, regardless of how well its built so your story means nothing to me.

I like PC's but I would have to spend thousands for a top of the line gaming PC, since my Processor, motherboard with only PCI slots, case, powersupply, fans, memory, graphics card and everything else is pretty sub-standard...

and still the software selection - although usually 20% cheaper than new console games - is grim.

At least console games have a huge market for used games. Unlike PC games which once you buy you are stuck with, since you can no longer sell your used games as far as I know, and buying used PC games is being phazed out as I can tell.

I do not discount a PC as a good option for someone that already has a great gaming rig. You spent the initial money, by all means, upgrade it and stick with it. for someone like me, its pointless compared to a 360.

 

[VirusType2]

No they aren't... They already said that they weren't going to use that patent to restrict the playing of used games on the PS3.

The next time you find out information like that you let us know immediately
Most of us were under the impression they were quite probably going to use that technology.

Of course they loose some money. But Nintendo only lost single digits AFTER THE PRICE CUT.
What was microsoft loosing? Over a $100?....

whether its 50$ or 99$ or $126 dollars is still losing money and I seriously doubt their launch price of only $200 was not at a loss, considering they developed a new disc type and everything.
Again, my point was simply that the price of a 360 was a good deal. the question was asked is it worth the cost

Please tell me what GPU they are comparing it to.
If it's the 6800GT or something similar, well the 7800GTX can outperform 2 of those so now we don't really know the true level plus with processors even having quite the increase.
Not only that but the 1800XT or the 7800 512meg GTX(Basically an Ultra, much much more overclocked).

"current ATI and NVIDIA hardware"
the article date is Date: June 24th, 2005
I think they were saying it was like two 6800's
checking back at the article It's not 100% clear to me but I believe they are comparing it to ATi's top graphics card and the GeForce 7800 GTX - both approximately $700 graphics cards

No doubt the GPU will be extremely fast and extremely great and that you only have to optimize just for that gpu and no doubt the price vs performance ratio is incredible.

Yes that was my point

But in the end a PC will offer much more.
1) Lower priced games
2) Having to deal with "bugs" and such can eaisly lead to letting you fix computers and I'll tell you..in my area it's soo in demand it's not even funny.
3) The Pc actually can give you a "future" so quite often it's not a complete waste of time. I've learned how to build webpages using PHP, HTML, Javascript. I'm starting on the basics of C++.
So Futurerice ratio Pc dominates.

Plus lets also start including other factors like controllers breaking and etc...
With the oringal Xbox my cousins went through 8 controllers total. They have 4 kids in there house and etc...
All in all they told me the controlelrs costed about $50 a piece or so. $400 for all the damn controllers plus $300 for there oringal xbox brings you to a nice $700. Plus they've had 3 Xbox's so far cuz shit keeps on breakin. They have friends over quite a bit.
Thats adds up to about $1100 cuz of price cuts. Thats near how much I paid for my home built PC.

The Prices in the long run don't are much closer togeather than to prices in the short run.

You are correct consoles are static systems.
This is good and bad. Good becuase all the software will be 100% compatible and run the best it can, bad becuase in 5 years time the graphics will be somewhat tame and the processing power of consoles is not upgradable. As for controllers - I've never had to buy a new xbox control. The controllers are closer to $30 than $50 for the xbox. Also, I can't tell you how many Mice i have gone through on my PC, and they are relatively the same price. So your argument here is not valid.
My Xbox control wowed me with its quality and I can give you a quote of someone saying that the new xbox360 control is made of industrial strentgh material and another several quotes saying it is the best controller ever made.

Bottom line is if you don't take care of your stuff its going to break, regardless of how well its built so your story means nothing to me.

I like PC's but I would have to spend thousands for a top of the line gaming PC, since my Processor, motherboard with only PCI slots, case, powersupply, fans, memory, graphics card and everything else is pretty sub-standard...

and still the software selection - although usually 20% cheaper than new console games - is grim.

At least console games have a huge market for used games. Unlike PC games which once you buy you are stuck with, since you can no longer sell your used games as far as I know, and buying used PC games is being phazed out as I can tell.

I do not discount a PC as a good option for someone that already has a great gaming rig. You spent the initial money, by all means, upgrade it and stick with it. for someone like me, its pointless compared to a 360.

EDIT: // I had some kind of Lag along with browser failure. i appologize for the duplicate post. Moderators please delete one if you can. thx - VT2

 

[Cole]

Also, I can't tell you how many Mice i have gone through on my PC, and they are relatively the same price. So your argument here is not valid.

If your going through various $40 dollor mice something is wrong. Use a cheap $5 dollor mouse for mass clicking games and a nice $40 for FPS's.

I can give you a quote of someone saying that the new xbox360 control is made of industrial strentgh material and another several quotes saying it is the best controller ever made.

Give me a definition on industiral strength. I heard a person who was playing it and throught the controller was lighter, and felt kinda cheaply made.
The controllers never were crushed, it was more "stop responding" type errors. The cord sometimes got ripped to far out so they had to push that in every 20 seconds so the game would stop asking them to plug the controller back in and etc..

and still the software selection - although usually 20% cheaper than new console games - is grim.

I find great games on the Pc. From paid games to free games. Many games that wont touch the console platform because of controls.
The games pc have are great(without listing cross-platform)
DoW
Wc3
Sc
Cs:S
DoD:S
NwN
BF2
Guild Wars
WoW
EQ2
Civilization 4
Empire Earth 2
Age of Empires 3
Unreal Tournment 2004
Rome: Total War
Farcry
Diablo 2
These are only the sprinkles of some of the most played games out there. Add in Mods and you have dreams. If these can't keep your occupied nothing can.

Checking back at the article It's not 100% clear to me but I believe they are comparing it to ATi's top graphics card and the GeForce 7800 GTX - both approximately $700 graphics cards

$700??? You mean 500 thats coming with my BF2 and already overclocked. Prices have only dropped for the 7800GTX since then.
Im doubting the Geforce 7800GTX if I remember correctly that wasn't until Mid-August? Not sure really. Plus the X800XT and 7800 GTX are pretty significant in performance so there is still that. What one?

Yes that was my point

And I've never tried to deny your point. Your point is perfectly right.

Bottom line is if you don't take care of your stuff its going to break, regardless of how well its built so your story means nothing to me.

My Story? Can you read? But anyway TAKE CARE OF YOUR MICE, your story means nothing to me.

I like PC's but I would have to spend thousands for a top of the line gaming PC, since my Processor, motherboard with only PCI slots, case, powersupply, fans, memory, graphics card and everything else is pretty sub-standard...

I paid about a $1200 total for my Pc and it can run everything on highest. What do you mean Thousands?

This is good and bad. Good becuase all the software will be 100% compatible and run the best it can, bad becuase in 5 years time the graphics will be somewhat tame and the processing power of consoles is not upgradable.

I'd say what your talking about good and bad is only bridging on the ice berg. Gaming is going to need more people as time goes on. From the old to the new we need 50 - 100 more people per team. If Pc gaming declines then the amount of people out there for this declines.
Pc Gaming actually gives people careers. It can give people futures, it can actually give people skills that they can use to make money.

If Pc Gaming Falls, the Industry will fall. The Pc is where programming starts, modeling starts, etc.. It's the backbone of the entire industry. If everyone was like you and just went for the Xbox 360 which is undoubtly better in price and performance and according to you, games(personally there evenly matched) the industry would fall.

If Pc Gaming Rises, prices go down. If there were more pc gamers, then Nvidia and ATI would have easier times mass producing there chips, amd n intel with processors thus all those priceses would come down and etc...


Look without a doubt consoles beat Pc's in Price and Performance. Without a doubt Pc Gaming is the backbone of the industry, without a doubt both have ups and downs, without a doubt if everyone bought pc parts all the prices would skyrocket down for the same reasons they do for consoles(mass production), and without a doubt pc gaming is slowly declining and in time it will cause another big fall in the industry.

 

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Buisiness as usual

If your going through various $40 dollor mice something is wrong.

the same could be said about your story of your friends going through several xbox's and xbox controllers.

Give me a definition on industiral strength.

It means sturdy, unmatched quality

I heard a person who was playing it and throught the controller was lighter, and felt kinda cheaply made.

Yea, well I'll believe my instincts and all the stories I've heard judging a console controller. No one had to tell me shit about the Xbox360 controller, i knew it was going to be even better than the xbox controller which was the best I had ever seen. And Mr.PC gamer fanboy, don't you think you ought to realize that Microsoft is trying to create a unified controller for PC and Console? 360 controllers work on PC. If you want PC gaming to thrive you need a good gamepad. You can't play every game with a mouse and Keyboard.

Here is over 2 million links stating the quality of the xbox360 controller, describing it as being the ultimate in quality.
http://www.google.com/search?q=360+controller+quality

The ultimate in gamer flexibility, precision, control, quality, ...

The controllers never were crushed, it was more "stop responding" type errors. The cord sometimes got ripped to far out so they had to push that in every 20 seconds so the game would stop asking them to plug the controller back in and etc..

The xbox was the only controller to include a trip-release on their cords so if the cord was tripped over or accidentally pulled the cord to hard it would unplug it from the xbox. So if your friend's children are ripping them out of the console dude then fix it or buy a new one or take better care of it is my solution. It's not the quality of the part in question here, to me its the owners fault and/or an excessive amount of useage.

The sytem is several years old. I don't care how high of a quality a part is it will eventually wear out.

Your Precious 7800GTX, along with every other part on your PC is suseptable to failure and damage as well

And besides you only further support my point that consoles are a better gaming platform by stating that your friends played the crap out of their Xbox with 4 controllers. Can you even find ANY 4 player PC games? You would be lucky to find a 2 player offline game.

I find great games on the Pc. From paid games to free games. Many games that wont touch the console platform because of controls.
The games pc have are great(without listing cross-platform)
DoW
Wc3
Sc
Cs:S
DoD:S
NwN
BF2
Guild Wars
WoW
EQ2
Civilization 4
Empire Earth 2
Age of Empires 3
Unreal Tournment 2004
Rome: Total War
Farcry
Diablo 2
These are only the sprinkles of some of the most played games out there.

Oh I don't think those are springles, thats nearly everything you could come up with, compare that to hundreds of modern exclusive games for consoles. And I like how you said,"free games" and then you blame consoles for killing PC gaming. what ****ing nerve. Do you think stealing PC games is a good way to support PC gaming industry?

Add in Mods and you have dreams. If these can't keep your occupied nothing can.

I'm sorry but I have no interest in any of those games, but the games that come out on consoles can keep me occupied.

I guess there are just two types of gamers PC gamers and console gamers.

Some of the games you listed I don't recognize; "DoW, Sc, and DoD:s" and stuff like that mean nothing to me.

If the amount of games on PC is so small that you can easily figure out what game it is by an abbreviation, then my argument is all the easier to get across. There aren't that many modern games for PC

$700??? You mean 500 thats coming with my BF2 and already overclocked. Prices have only dropped for the 7800GTX since then.
Im doubting the Geforce 7800GTX if I remember correctly that wasn't until Mid-August? Not sure really. Plus the X800XT and 7800 GTX are pretty significant in performance so there is still that. What one?

I said I was nearly 100% sure they were talking about the 7800GTX. I captured the text and pasted it in an edit

And I've never tried to deny your point. Your point is perfectly right.

Then why spin-off horribly off-topic on some long ass explination about how Pc gaming rules in a half-assed manner with unbelievable stories and horrible writing skill?

My Story? Can you read? But anyway TAKE CARE OF YOUR MICE, your story means nothing to me.

I can read, the question is can you write?

You are just mad becuase I'm right. It doesn't matter if its a PC part or an Xbox part, the parts can still break, so stop blowing smoke up everyones ass about how PC is some how immune to defect and damage.

I paid about a $1200 total for my Pc and it can run everything on highest. What do you mean Thousands?

Well that is in the thousands place isn't it? :hmph:
Sure it can, but just becuase you can set everything to its highest setting does not mean it can run every game with a smooth steady framerate. And is this before or after you have a 7800GTX that I assume you ordered and is on the way in the mail?

and $1200 for your PC with $500 or without your new graphics card? A 7800GTX 256MB?

here is the where i found a good price on the 7800 GTX 512MB for $761

http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__MSI_...deo_Card,__14370315/skd=1/search=7800+geforce

so what did you buy the 256MB version? bad move...

No doubt prices have droped since the date of the article, its still "$500" for a graphics card compared to 299$ for an entire game system that is technically more powerful and comes with a controller that you say yourself is $50, and tons of accessories. Hell it even acts as a DVD player, CD player, photo viewer, and many other things, all for half the cost of your awesome video card - the 7800GTX - that is quite possibly inferior to the 360, and it in itself is not upgradeable either!

I'd say what your talking about good and bad is only bridging on the ice berg. Gaming is going to need more people as time goes on. From the old to the new we need 50 - 100 more people per team. If Pc gaming declines then the amount of people out there for this declines.
Pc Gaming actually gives people careers. It can give people futures, it can actually give people skills that they can use to make money.

dude what in the hell kind of drugs are you on? What do you think that console game programmers don't count? Console gaming doesn't give people careers and futures? skills to make money? Stop typing all this crap and keep it to yourself, or at least create a new thread, you are becoming a fear-mongering tangent.

If Pc Gaming Falls, the Industry will fall. The Pc is where programming starts, modeling starts, etc.. It's the backbone of the entire industry. If everyone was like you and just went for the Xbox 360 which is undoubtly better in price and performance and according to you, games(personally there evenly matched) the industry would fall.

As for PC gaming, it will never die becuase like you said, the game programing starts on PC.

The gaming industry in general cannot fail. Since video games were invented we have been playing them and will never stop.

there have been many console failures but with the quality of Nintendo, Sony, and Microsofts hardware and software, that is highly unlikely. Even a "failure" nearly always means profits - just not what was expected.

Finally, if it weren't for PC's you couldn't make console games so PC gaming can never die either.

If Pc Gaming Rises, prices go down. If there were more pc gamers, then Nvidia and ATI would have easier times mass producing there chips, amd n intel with processors thus all those priceses would come down and etc...

ATi and Nvidia create the most cutting edge graphics hardware that they possibly can, and work with producers like iD software to make games with advanced graphics that make you go out and buy their cards for the PC.

This is buisiness as usual.

ATi and Nvidia create chips for the consoles and they create sets for the PC. They would be more than happy to pump out 4 million Xbox 360 graphics chipsets in its first 3 months and several million <insert console name here> chipsets and still sell you a PC graphics card to boot.

3D modelers, gamers, and programmers all use graphics cards and that will never ever change.

Look without a doubt consoles beat Pc's in Price and Performance. Without a doubt Pc Gaming is the backbone of the industry, without a doubt both have ups and downs, without a doubt if everyone bought pc parts all the prices would skyrocket down for the same reasons they do for consoles(mass production), and without a doubt pc gaming is slowly declining and in time it will cause another big fall in the industry.

PC gaming is not declining and the industry is not going to crash. ****ing relax dude. "omg the end of the world is coming, I have predicted!"

@Minerel
By the way, don't insult me by saying I need to learn to read when your sentence structure and ability to spell is a ****ing joke, not to mention that its not always clear what the hell you are talking about, making reading what
you write a bore and a chore.

Cheers.