9/11 loose change

[Korgoth]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true

I dunno if this has been posted or mentioned but this is a very interesting video, \I hate to post conspiratorial videos' but this makes a lot of good points and has a lot of great footage logged in it. Please watch before blowing it off or passing snap judgement, oh yeah, and its good to be back on the forums

 

[gick]

Hi welcome back! And yes there are about 4 threads on this already. I think everybody is heartily sick of loose change by now.

 

[Korgoth]

well in that case, forgive me for posting old material, i've been absent for a while

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Bush is a mud hut alien and 9/11 is a conspiracy to take over mars.

 

[Korgoth]

you mean since i've been gone you've finally seen the light rakurai? hehe

 

[15357]

SHITARGHAGHGHAGHHGGHGHHGHHHHGHH

ahem.

 

[bbson john]

Dispite the fact that this piece of news is old, I want to read the arguements against the conspiracy theory. As I can see, the hole on the wall of the pentagon was reallt too small for a boeing plane to get in. Any sumed-up argurement, please?

 

[15357]

The walls (and roof) surrounding the pentagon collapsed.

 

[bbson john]

The walls (and roof) surrounding the pentagon collapsed.

So the actual destroyed mass of the pentagon was covered by the new collapsed parts. Then, it looked like there was not a hole.

I suspect that sice the collapsed parts covering the hole were too "ordered".

Except this, the whole conspiracy theory is still seriously doubtable.

 

[Murray]

Ayup. Has been posted. I recently wished for a debunking of that particular movie. I guess there were some issues that got less conspiratorily suspect, but I still have some stuff unclear. Not gonna talk about it though, because I'm not in the mood of epic discussions on this issue...

again.

 

[clarky003]

Yes , its been talked to death, you either smell something fishy or you don't. But there are still questions that arn't addressed properly, like something basic for instance.. the official explaination for the lack of 757 was that it vaporised on impact by jet fuel!?, including the titanium alloy engines, in the documentary comments from boeing engineers on the images of the small leftover parts all say they dont match any boeing 757 component they have ever seen. But the big question is if thats true .. how where they able to positively identify all the passengers including the hijackers when the whole plane supposedly vapourised. Obviously the only people that could provide satisfactory answers and details are the intelligence services.

 

[Glirk Dient]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y
www.911myths.com

Loose change is full of BS and misinformation.

 

[Pesmerga]

Holy **** on a purple monkey, not this again.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Yes , its been talked to death, you either smell something fishy or you don't. But there are still questions that arn't addressed properly, like something basic for instance.. the official explaination for the lack of 757 was that it vaporised on impact by jet fuel!?, including the titanium alloy engines, in the documentary comments from boeing engineers on the images of the small leftover parts all say they dont match any boeing 757 component they have ever seen. But the big question is if thats true .. how where they able to positively identify all the passengers including the hijackers when the whole plane supposedly vapourised. Obviously the only people that could provide satisfactory answers and details are the intelligence services.

No, you do not need to rely on "intelligence services".
You just need to do "intelligent research" and not rely on unsupported guesswork.

"It’s difficult to destroy DNA. Essentially you need a complete cremation, turn even bones to ash, and that doesn’t happen easily."

The fires at the pentagon were at least 300 degrees too weak to do so.

http://www.911myths.com/html/bodies_identified.html
The link also shows several planes almost entirely disintegrated by fire. Note that these planes had not smashed into a building at full speed.

"...we have studied two key pieces of wreckage photographed at the Pentagon during or shortly after September 11 and found them to be entirely consistent with the Rolls-Royce RB211-535 turbofan engine found on a Boeing 757 operated by American Airlines."

"She saw parts of the fuselage of an American Airlines plane, a Boeing 757 plane... She recognized the polished aluminum outer shell, an unpainted silver color that is unique to American Airline planes, and the red and blue trim that is used to decorate the fuselage. She saw parts of the inside of the plane, which she easily identified since she flew and worked in them for years. Upholstery, drapes and carpeting she could identify by both color and design. The soft carpeting and padding of the inner walls had a cloud design and color she recognized from American Airline planes, though it has since been replaced. The blue coloring of drapes and carpet were also specific to the 757 or 767 larger planes, and were not used on the smaller planes. Seating upholstery also matched the AA 757 planes, including the blue color, tan squares and hints of white...
One area of fuselage had remaining window sections and the shape of the windows, curved squares not ovals, was also distinct to the 757's she had flown. She also saw parts with the A/A logo, including parts of the tail of the plane. Smaller A/A logos and "American" logos are also on the planes and she saw parts of those...
She spent approximately 15 minutes in the crash area looking at parts of the wreckage, all of which she recognized as coming from a Boeing 757 American Airline plane, the same planes she flew regularly. She did not see any rubber, only metal pieces of fuselage, engine parts and sections of the inside of the plane".

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html
What experts, exactly, were you refering to?
What was the context of their claims?

The 911myths site thouroughly debunks virtually every claim made in Loose Change. You can also check any other Loose Change thread for detailed debunkings done by various people.

Look for Loose Change version 1 and see the utterly stupid claims they made the first time around and had to remove. Did you know that the 9/11 planes were equipped with invisible missile launchers?
Version 2, which you are showing here, is not any better.

 

[el Chi]

So the actual destroyed mass of the pentagon was covered by the new collapsed parts. Then, it looked like there was not a hole.

I suspect that sice the collapsed parts covering the hole were too "ordered".

Except this, the whole conspiracy theory is still seriously doubtable.

So you agree with the conspiracy theory about the Pentagon, but not the Twin Towers?
That makes no sense.

The Pentagon bit is the part of the theory that I find hardest to swallow.
1. They attacked the Twin Towers, which would have been justification enough to go to war. Why bother destroying a large section of a very important governmental building when you don't need to?
2. If they were going to say it was a plane, and used planes for the other attacks, why would they use a missile?
3. If there was no plane, what about the dead attributed to that plane? Sure they could make a list of names up, but it'd get found out far more easily than any of the other things they supposedly did so sloppily.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Done to death.