A new subsistution for the death penality

[Locust]

I was thinking the other day how big a waste of life it is to send someone off to die. It accomplishes no end but the fact that the state can take revenge on a criminal. Well, I thought to myself "what would be a good subsistution for this punishment, one that would make the criminal suffer just as much." then it came to me--Torture! With torture the state could make a criminal throughrly sorry for their crimes and even rehabiliate them. It would be like 1984!

 

[Tr0n]

Torture...fun for the whole family.

 

[short recoil]

You have to ask yourself what punishment is for.

 

[Maxi]

We haven't got life in prison here in Finland and we haven't got the death penalty eaither. Maximum time that you can spend in jail is 12 years I think? Also criminals are rehabilitated while in jail, also they can study and get different degrees n stuff. Also there are special people who at the end of their term help them to fit back into real life so to say.

Anyway, we don't have our streets full of murderers, so we have to be doing something right.

 

[Tr0n]

We haven't got life in prison here in Finland and we haven't got the death penalty eaither. Maximum time that you can spend in jail is 12 years I think? Also criminals are rehabilitated while in jail, also they can study and get different degrees n stuff. Also there are special people who at the end of their term help them to fit back into real life so to say.

Anyway, we don't have our streets full of murderers, so we have to be doing something right.

Well you have to consider the fact that every country is diffrent.

We americans are naturally rebellious I guess you could say...What one thing works for some small country might not work for some big country that is based on many diffrent ideals and cultures.

 

[Locust]

You have a good point max, although your system may want to make a man commit a murder. He knows he is going to get an education and maybe a good job if he shanks some dude on the street. With the torture system, the severity of the punishment would fit the crime. Also they could phychologically analyze the person being tortured and see if he is repentent of what he has done. If he is, they could lessen the torture. Eventually they may even be able to release the person.

 

[CptStern]

I was thinking the other day how big a waste of life it is to send someone off to die. It accomplishes no end but the fact that the state can take revenge on a criminal. Well, I thought to myself "what would be a good subsistution for this punishment, one that would make the criminal suffer just as much." then it came to me--Torture! With torture the state could make a criminal throughrly sorry for their crimes and even rehabiliate them. It would be like 1984!

that's not very christian of you ..walk the walk if your going to talk the talk ..that goes for your stance on guns too

 

[ríomhaire]

Solitary confinement for 20 years. They'll kill themselves.

 

[Calanen]

We haven't got life in prison here in Finland and we haven't got the death penalty eaither. Maximum time that you can spend in jail is 12 years I think? Also criminals are rehabilitated while in jail, also they can study and get different degrees n stuff. Also there are special people who at the end of their term help them to fit back into real life so to say.

Anyway, we don't have our streets full of murderers, so we have to be doing something right.

So if i got a belt fed machine gun - set it up in a shopping mall, and mowed down every shopper I saw - I'd get 12 years? Or do you service your sentences consecutively, ie 12 years for every person you kill 5 x 12 = 60 years?

 

[Calanen]

I was thinking the other day how big a waste of life it is to send someone off to die. It accomplishes no end but the fact that the state can take revenge on a criminal. Well, I thought to myself "what would be a good subsistution for this punishment, one that would make the criminal suffer just as much." then it came to me--Torture! With torture the state could make a criminal throughrly sorry for their crimes and even rehabiliate them. It would be like 1984!

The State, or most States are not supposed to be sadistic. Falls foul of the Cruel and Unusual Punishment prohibition in the US constitution if you are in the US. If you are not in the US, it still is a violation of international law.

Its also a pointless exercise that leads to breakdowns in your own troops morale. Few people actually like torturing others, makes them mentally unbalanced to do it a lot.

Other than a sick sense of revenge, torture in the regular criminal setting has not justification.

 

[kirovman]

What purpose does this serve?

To satisfy your sadistic urges? Does it achieve justice?
If you advocate torture like this, maybe you deserve a life sentence yourself.

 

[PickledGecko]

You have a good point max, although your system may want to make a man commit a murder. He knows he is going to get an education and maybe a good job if he shanks some dude on the street. With the torture system, the severity of the punishment would fit the crime. Also they could phychologically analyze the person being tortured and see if he is repentent of what he has done. If he is, they could lessen the torture. Eventually they may even be able to release the person.

Somehow, I don't think you understand why people commit murder. Or exactly what "repentance" is and why its important.

 

[jondy]

I was thinking the other day how big a waste of life it is to send someone off to die. It accomplishes no end but the fact that the state can take revenge on a criminal. Well, I thought to myself "what would be a good subsistution for this punishment, one that would make the criminal suffer just as much." then it came to me--Torture! With torture the state could make a criminal throughrly sorry for their crimes and even rehabiliate them. It would be like 1984!

You being serious, or what? Jesus motherf'kin christ..

 

[Maxi]

You have a good point max, although your system may want to make a man commit a murder. He knows he is going to get an education and maybe a good job if he shanks some dude on the street. With the torture system, the severity of the punishment would fit the crime. Also they could phychologically analyze the person being tortured and see if he is repentent of what he has done. If he is, they could lessen the torture. Eventually they may even be able to release the person.

Well we DO have free education and healthcare for all here so I wouldn't see that as a problem... But we only have that because we have crazy high taxes compared to the states.

So if i got a belt fed machine gun - set it up in a shopping mall, and mowed down every shopper I saw - I'd get 12 years? Or do you service your sentences consecutively, ie 12 years for every person you kill 5 x 12 = 60 years?

Hmm no one has ever tried that in Finland, so if you'd do that I think they'd make a very special law just for you so you could go for 60 years to prison

 

[ALEXDJ]

I was thinking the other day how big a waste of life it is to send someone off to die. It accomplishes no end but the fact that the state can take revenge on a criminal. Well, I thought to myself "what would be a good subsistution for this punishment, one that would make the criminal suffer just as much." then it came to me--Torture! With torture the state could make a criminal throughrly sorry for their crimes and even rehabiliate them. It would be like 1984!

sorry torture is unethical and inhuman

 

[Steve]

Castration. End of discussion.

 

[ALEXDJ]

Castration. End of discussion.

from your comment i assume you are not a man

 

[Steve]

from your comment i assume you are not a man

From my name you should assume that I am, and that I have no intention of ever commiting a capital offense, so I wouldn't have any problem with the "snip penalty".

 

[jondy]

From my name you should assume that I am, and that I have no intention of ever commiting a capital offense, so I wouldn't have any problem with the "snip penalty".

How many people d'youreckon plan out commiting a capital offence?

Just reading 'snip penalty' made me full-on shudder :O

 

[baxter]

I was thinking the other day how big a waste of life it is to send someone off to die. It accomplishes no end but the fact that the state can take revenge on a criminal. Well, I thought to myself "what would be a good subsistution for this punishment, one that would make the criminal suffer just as much." then it came to me--Torture! With torture the state could make a criminal throughrly sorry for their crimes and even rehabiliate them. It would be like 1984!

Maybe a few public floggings to get the crowd going before we settle in for a nice afternoon of public stonings.....em I think not.

 

[Locust]

Let the floggings begin in place of the chair or the needle.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Just kill them and get it over with.

Castration, that could be a good penalty...

 

[baxter]

It would be like 1984!

It is actually quite sometime since I read 1984 but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this books central theme based on totalitarian. State control of everything, where all public and individual freedoms have be abolished. Freedom of speech and movement is none existent and Big Brother is watching all.
The central character (can't even remember his name it was that long ago), was tortured to the point of believing anything he was told. He was broken physically and mentally.
1984, to me shows how dreadful total state control is and could be, including the use of torture. It depicts a total isolation of individuals and their beliefs.

To say that it worked in 1984, a novel that describes total state control over everything, is as bad as trying advocate the use of torture to rehabilitate criminals.
The chair or the needle may not be to everybody’s taste but sanctioning state torture leaves a far bitter taste.

 

[FireCrack]

Use them as ballast.

 

[jondy]

Use them as ballast.

In a hot-air balloon, or a submarine?