A note to those who think they can't draw

The Dark Elf

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I've noticed often, that people are "bothered" about the quality of their drawings, insisting its crap and could be better, making excuses for what they've done. Or more often some will post insulting comments of other people's work, especially the artwork done in mod teams, like the concept art. Yet many times the idea's behind it, the actual concept itself, is well planned out and perfectly sound.

So I thought I'd post this thread and show all those I'm talking about, something they may find interesting..


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What's my point? These sketches were created by Ralph McQuarrie, for such films as Star Wars, Empire Strikes back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Battlestar Galactica etc.. He was the man responsible for almost all modern designs and is considered one of the best, if not the best there is.

Did he care that his concept sketches looked like this? No, of course not. He was more interested in creating the design than a pretty picture to show off all the time.

So the next time someone insults your work because its not 100% perfect, or you don't feel its good enough, remember Ralph's sketches, the idea's are more important than how pretty you make it, afterall, its only a concept and subject to change, so why spend weeks on it when you'll need to do it all over again anyway :)

So long as you and your team understand the idea's your trying to get across, then don't worry yourself over being the next Doug Chiang or Craig Mullins with every piece you do, being a work of art. Its not important, concentrate on the design itself, the idea's behind it, don't worry about line thickness or adding fancy backgrounds simply for the sake of emulating the great concept artists out there. Stick to the style you know best and put your time into developing great idea's.


P.S. Yes I didn't include his paintings for a reason.

1) That would be unfair cause their production paintings not concept sketches
2) They were born from these sketches
3) They take so long to do that they are often never done until a design has been locked down, or near enough to its final appearance
 
Errr... actually, I think that those are damn good.

Is the last one from ET?
 
Majestic XII said:
Good point fenny dear :)
Thanks Majiggle ;)

Brian, yeah that last one is from ET.. point is people try emulate these fancy concept designs they see on Star Wars sites and such, when these images show that you don't have to do that, a concept is a concept whatever style you do it, even a doodle is a concept.
 
ye i have seen better concept art that was actually just a bunch of squiggles on a peice of paper. Now im not saying in any way that his drawings are bad concept art: theyre amazing- im just saying that maybe a better (or worse?) example could have been used, if u know what i mean.
but i agree that the point ur trying to get across is a very valid one. i especially hate it when ppl who have done some amazing art that is better that ur art (that u think is good) suddenly reply to a compliment "naaa, this art is really crap". i mean they r basicly saying that all the work that isnt as good as it is crap as well, and they also sometimes say "im a crap artist" then say "but your work is really good". thats like saying "im better than u, but im shit!"
 
Well, that reminds me of the ancient "I think I would have liked the concept's better if it didnt looked like some 6th grade drawed it. Your style is ver immature, it would fit perfect for bunny's and the works, but for concept it really doesnt fit." by Mr Art-Mod.

That was like getting shot. Seriously.
 
Nice point indeed.

Too bad it doesn't apply when you are trying for the master art piece...



People also really need to stop the damn "Nah, it's not that good.." about their art, when they really do think it's good. It's just fishing for comments, and that crap should've stopped in fourth grade...
If you're proud of your work, just say so!



Also, it's nice to see some mods in this part of the forums.. Usually it's kind of slow here..



Edit: Brian Damage Location: Oz

wow.. Watch your ass , man. Literally!
 
But, but the thing is... I do draw like shit.
 
Sorze said:
Also, it's nice to see some mods in this part of the forums.. Usually it's kind of slow here..

We mods are always here.. especially me, making sure I haven't got any competition that needs killing off before it becomes a threat to my livelyhood ;)

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MaxiKana said:
But, but the thing is... I do draw like shit.

No you don't. Remember

"There are no bad artists, just bad critics"


I just made that up, I wonder if it'll end up in the quote books people always buy loved ones when stuck for gifts at christmas
 
anyone else thinking this guy should have replaced chiang for episodes 1 & 2? at least it would have looked like SW then :laugh:
 
We mods are always here.. especially me, making sure I haven't got any competition that needs killing off before it becomes a threat to my livelyhood

Aha!! So that's why it's so slow in here... :O
After all, noone can beat a mod.......


Fenric, do you do everything ?? By that I mean it seems like you do everything with 3dmodels, and now 2d art too? Can you show us a snippet of your own work..?

I need to know what I'm supposed to beat.. I mean, err....









Damn, my evil plans revealed... :sleep:
 
i always find getting the scale right is harder then the drawing... especily people, i just carnt get it right tis really annoying
 
Sorze, yeah pretty much :) apart from programming, i can't do that.

As for pics, check your PM's :)

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fishy: Try use a grid laid over your drawing to help judge proportion, scale etc. as you draw. It can help.
 
Huh. And if you've got no hands?

Best thing is, I'm related to Ralph McQuarrie. Okay, very distantly, but it's still pretty cool.
 
Sulkdodds, thats pretty damn cool actually.. I envy you, he's like THE guy to have on a film. I'd loved to have worked with him atleast once, would have learnt so much from the guy I couldn't begin to imagine.
 
hehe Brian Damage, I can see how you're confused...
You're obviousely not in the Oz I was thinking of... :D

I was thinking of the tv show, "Oz". It's about the inmates in the Oswald Correctional Facility.
People get raped and things, it's crazy, hence the comment.

But it's a great show.. you should check it out if you haven't before..

(I do know of the classical Oz btw...)


Fenric: Nice way to make yourself unreplacable to companies, being able to do pretty much everything!

Check your PM's ;) ...

Like 4 characters under the maximum...... :O
 
Finally fenric.. You told it in great words. You are completely right. It’s a concept piece, if it tells the idea and concept behind it, the goal is accomplished. You don’t need all those fancy sizzle you always see pro-concept artist do. The reason they do it is because they can! It’s just another pimp match and many loose focus of the main point. Bringing the concept to another individual in an understandable way is the main target. You don’t need to make it nice and add buthair etc. off course. If you can, go right ahead.

Yes Brian-Damage I realise that this sounds weird coming out of my mouth since I was the mr art-mod who bashed your concepts and I deeply apologise for it.

A concept artist explained to me a valuable lesson that fenric has explained upon you all here now. And now I want you all to learn tat lesson just as fenric wants it because it changed my view on concept art, and the idea behind it. I now not longer look at the concept in a pure visual way but try to look deeper and try to see the concept that lies behind the maybe less perfect art.
 
Brian Damage said:
Well, that reminds me of the ancient "I think I would have liked the concept's better if it didnt looked like some 6th grade drawed it. Your style is ver immature, it would fit perfect for bunny's and the works, but for concept it really doesnt fit." by Mr Art-Mod.

That was like getting shot. Seriously.
Man that's harsh.

KILL :sniper:
 
Sorze: Ah. I live in Oz-traylia, mate!

Evil: Apology accepted. BTW, am I right in thinking your avvy is a shot of a cut of meat?

hokai: It's cool now. He apologised in the post directly above yours.
 
anyone else thinking this guy should have replaced chiang for episodes 1 & 2? at least it would have looked like SW then

I have to agree. I'm not the only one that felt Episodes 1&2 were to...polished?
 
I was reading elsewhere that they are making use of some of Ralph's original designs in EpIII.. So it might not be a bad film afterall :E
 
Brian Damage said:
BTW, am I right in thinking your avvy is a shot of a cut of meat?

Yup :) I made it when I made my HELLMEAT wallpapers :D
 
Fenric said:
I've noticed often, that people are "bothered" about the quality of their drawings, insisting its crap and could be better, making excuses for what they've done.

those pics are spectacular... I dont feel any better :(
hehe, j/k cool stuff. Anything in life that you honestly put thought and effort into, and are diligent enough will yield results, keep a positive attitude, live and learn.

:)
 
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