A video that sparked my anger

[mortiz]

I was browsing You Tube and I came across this news "piece":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42ACKzW_GQ8

And I was filled with an immense amount of anger. Who is that idiot? I'd like to see how brave he'd be if someone was pointing automatic weapons at him. He's probably a war-mongering Bush supporter who'd have loved the spark that the execution of the 15 British sailors would have provided to go on a crusade against Iran. Honestly if they'd refused to do what the Iranians demanded and the Iranians had done something rash what affect would that have had on the entire area? What useful purpose would their imprisonment, or even deaths, have served? Forget all that military code and honor bullshit. The world is a different place, we're no longer living in the days of chivalrous warriors riding out to battle, or thousands of soldiers dieing for us to simply accept it. Nowadays the outcomes of events like this can have far-reaching consequences. How can you blame them for wanting to go home?

Now that they've been released and they've revealed that what they were being told to say was BS it's not like they've caused any lasting damage. It just beggars belief that these people are calling them cowards and embarrassments for simply using their brains. There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and I sometimes think that the majority of the military fall on the wrong side.

 

[Absinthe]

I'd like to see how brave he'd be if someone was pointing automatic weapons at him.

He served in Vietnam and got two purple hearts. I think he knows the feeling.

I'm ambivalent towards his words. I alternate between finding merit in them and finding them stupid, so whatever. I find myself angered more by the typical clueless responses on that page.

 

[MiccyNarc]

I was hoping the UK would respond like Israel did when their boys were captured awhile ago. Couple cities turned to glass?

I wish I could see all of Israel turned to glass. ****ing hate that country. We should attack them as they're the source of ALL instability in the Middle East.

 

[CptStern]

I was hoping the UK would respond like Israel did when their boys were captured awhile ago. Couple cities turned to glass?

so they should do the same?... washington etc turned to glass? an eye for an eye?

 

[Gunner]

I wish I could see all of Israel turned to glass. ****ing hate that country. We should attack them as they're the source of ALL instability in the Middle East.

Hah you really think so? the middle east would be the same as it is now with israel gone.

 

[Jintor]

I wish I could see all of Israel turned to glass. ****ing hate that country. We should attack them as they're the source of ALL instability in the Middle East.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid!

 

[Stingey]

I wish I could see all of Israel turned to glass. ****ing hate that country. We should attack them as they're the source of ALL instability in the Middle East.

Hope you're wearing your fireproof jacket kid, you're in for some flames

 

[Absinthe]

**** Israel.

They killed Jesus.

 

[pvtbones]

alright guys lets not like idiotic comments derail this thread.

I'm going to have to side with absinthe on this one. I don't know much about the events that transpire immediately before their capture (whether they were snuck(SP?) up upon or if they saw them coming from a distance.)

 

[smwScott]

The guy was right. It really was a pretty pathetic showing.

 

[<RJMC>]

so he says that iran should be acttacked or what?

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

I'd like to have seen any of those who agree with him to do better than those soldiers in that situation. Just to hold it together like they did.

 

[15357]

Cowards? Yes. Smart? Yes.

 

[Candy art]

you can't deny that those soldiers should have acted differntly,and whats even worse is the brits didnt fight when they were captured,now the UK army can compete with france about who who has the bigger defeatist attitude.

 

[staticprimer]

Oh yeah, that would be a great idea. I'm sure things would have gone so much smoother if they had just shot their way out of the situation. You know, while they were at it they should have just nuked Iran, I mean they have it coming.

 

[Jintor]

you can't deny that those soldiers should have acted differntly,and whats even worse is the brits didnt fight when they were captured,now the UK army can compete with france about who who has the bigger defeatist attitude.

Uh huh. If they had killed anybody, or even simply injured anybody, do you have any idea of the internation broo-ha-ha that would occur? Seriously, being in the military takes freaking brains now, you can't just wave your macho bullshit around and fire on everybody.

 

[15357]

Things used to be so much simpler...

 

[MiccyNarc]

I wish I could see all of Israel turned to glass. ****ing hate that country. We should attack them as they're the source of ALL instability in the Middle East.

Sarcasm is lost on this forum.

 

[15357]

What? Just shoot the frigging bastards, and you don't got no Israelli problem no more.








And you can conquer the world that the jews are now gone! MWHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[repiV]

Seriously, we have to get our own house in order before we go to the aid of our allies.
The Tories are starting to gain power, which is seriously worrying - the People's Republic of Britain was supposed to be a reality by 2009. I say we make John Reid the new PM and let Ken Livingstone become the Mayor of England.
When we have finally realised our vision of providing mediocrity and misery for all and privilege for none, we can then afford to nuke Israel and save our Muslim brothers. Hey, just think how much more harmonious that will make life in the UK.

 

[clarky003]

Worst quote ever.. Kept free, by better men than himself ? jesus christ, that guy was a philosopher? a flapjack talking would make more sense.

 

[mortiz]

There are things in this world worth fighting, even dieing for, a cheap political point is not one of them.

 

[hool10]

You know as harsh as it seems, he's right. When you go into any armed forces branch you are taught some basic rules. One of the rules is that if you are caught by the enemy, and are being questioned, you don't say anything. No matter what you don't say anything to leak out intelligence. They are trained like Spartans for a very good reason too. Imagine this scenario: somebody of another squad was just captured. You have an important mission that must be carried out such as an assasination, etc. What would happen if you said there were people that were doing missions at certain times, etc? Would you not only endanger yourself and others? How would their families feel if they were captured too? The idea is too keep yourself and only yourself captured and keeping others out of harms way. In fact they give a suicide pill or something to troops just in case this happens.

For spy's though they are taught to kill themselves with anything. In this scenario though it was completely right in what they did. If they didn't do what they did, I would say they would have been killed. We could have gone to war with them. Or endangering other soldiers lives in a rescue mission.

 

[Gray Fox]

Aren't soldiers taught to talk unless it directly endangers their own side. As far as I know the command always go's under the assumption that a soldier will talk under torture no matter how tough he seems, thats why there is so much need to know basis.

Basicly, that they are taught to not try to be heroes, and that any man breaks eventually no matter how hard you try to resist.

 

[Laivasse]

Some of you seem to have been compensating for the fact that your penises are as tiny as your brains by watching 300 a few too many times.

These soldiers did nothing wrong. This fact that this spastic Colonel Jacobs is such a celebrated military personage unfortunately says a lot about what is wrong with the attitude of the US armed forces.

If you are outgunned and faced with imprisonment by forces from a country you are not at war with, explain how chucking your life away solely in order to spark a major international incident is in the greater interests of your own country?

Similarly, highlight one thing wrong with their conduct during their captivity, remembering that every press release was edited by the Iranians for purposes of propaganda. The only thing they said was 'we appear to have been in Iranian waters based on the evidence we are presented with' and commented nothing about the veracity of the evidence. All the flag-waving frustrated jocks should put their dicks back in their pants and go join the armed forces, if that's what you want to do.

 

[clarky003]

Exactley Laivasse, it hurts my brain to think anyone has the polar opposite to that thinking bouncing around in their head.

 

[CptStern]

Some of you seem to have been compensating for the fact that your penises are as tiny as your brains by watching 300 a few too many times.

These soldiers did nothing wrong.

agreed, very nicely put I might add

All the flag-waving frustrated jocks should put their dicks back in their pants and go join the armed forces, if that's what you want to do.

agreed, the military needs more cannon fodder

you can't deny that those soldiers should have acted differntly,and whats even worse is the brits didnt fight when they were captured,now the UK army can compete with france about who who has the bigger defeatist attitude.

what a moronic thing to say



there is no ideology worth dying for ..most of you dont understand that because you're either too stupid or too inexperienced to know any better


oh and those of you who complained about NiccyNarc's comment of Israel are a bunch of hypocrites ..notice who you didnt say anyting about iran being turned into a glass crater ..it seems mass slaughter is all right so long as it's not against your side ..grow the **** up

 

[15357]

If you are outgunned and faced with imprisonment by forces from a country you are not at war with, explain how chucking your life away solely in order to spark a major international incident is in the greater interests of your own country?

Well, my country, with superior military strenght, could defeat the now-hated enemy, and get more oil.


And the economy would get a nice lil' boost.

 

[repiV]

there is no ideology worth dying for ..most of you dont understand that because you're either too stupid or too inexperienced to know any better

Yeah, I guess we should have just allowed Hitler to take over the world.
That isn't wisdom, it's self-centered cowardice.

 

[CptStern]

do you not understand the word "ideology"?

and stfu about cowardice ..why the **** arent you there defending your country's interests? anything less is cowardice

 

[repiV]

do you not understand the word "ideology"?

How is maintaining a free and democratic world not an ideological pursuit?

and stfu about cowardice ..why the **** arent you there defending your country's interests? anything less is cowardice

How is the statement "no ideology is worth dying for" being a statment of cowardice even remotely related to whether or not I am defending my country's interests?
Even so, to answer your question, I applied to both the RAF and the Royal Marines, but I can't pass the medical and never will.
I also inquired as to the possibility of joining the USAF, Canadian and Australian Air Forces - burning as my desire was to be a fighter pilot.

 

[15357]

there is no ideology worth dying for ..most of you dont understand that because you're either too stupid or too inexperienced to know any better

ILLEGALIZE IDEOLOGY! W00t!

"What isn't worth dying for isn't worth for anything at all."

 

[mortiz]

You know as harsh as it seems, he's right. When you go into any armed forces branch you are taught some basic rules. One of the rules is that if you are caught by the enemy, and are being questioned, you don't say anything. No matter what you don't say anything to leak out intelligence. They are trained like Spartans for a very good reason too. Imagine this scenario: somebody of another squad was just captured. You have an important mission that must be carried out such as an assasination, etc. What would happen if you said there were people that were doing missions at certain times, etc? Would you not only endanger yourself and others? How would their families feel if they were captured too? The idea is too keep yourself and only yourself captured and keeping others out of harms way. In fact they give a suicide pill or something to troops just in case this happens.

For spy's though they are taught to kill themselves with anything. In this scenario though it was completely right in what they did. If they didn't do what they did, I would say they would have been killed. We could have gone to war with them. Or endangering other soldiers lives in a rescue mission.

But the British soldiers didn't leak intelligence, they simply appeared on film saying stuff that they later admitted they were told to say by the Iranians. That is a lot different from revealing military secrets. To cause a major international incident which could have resulted in many deaths just because you refuse to tell a few porkies on film would be retarded beyond belief in my eyes. As has been said we're not at war with the Iranians so it's not as if Iran has won some form of morality battle against us.

 

[CptStern]

How is maintaining a free and democratic world not an ideological pursuit?

there's a difference between "maintaining and "imposing"

How is the statement "no ideology is worth dying for" being a statment of cowardice even remotely related to whether or not I am defending my country's interests?

how did you associate one with the other? they are not mutually exclusive

Even so, to answer your question, I applied to both the RAF and the Royal Marines, but I can't pass the medical and never will.

there are lots of other things you could do

I also inquired as to the possibility of joining the USAF, Canadian and Australian Air Forces - burning as my desire was to be a fighter pilot.

there are lots of other things you could do

 

[repiV]

there's a difference between "maintaining and "imposing"

World War II was about ideology, however you choose to spin it.

how did you associate one with the other? they are not mutually exclusive

I don't even know what your point is, your comment was utterly irrelevant.

there are lots of other things you could do

there are lots of other things you could do

I can't join the military. At all. Ever.

 

[PvtRyan]

Yeah, I guess we should have just allowed Hitler to take over the world.
That isn't wisdom, it's self-centered cowardice.

Because we're already at war with Iran, right... right?

I'll QFT this one for now:

There are things in this world worth fighting, even dieing for, a cheap political point is not one of them.

Fighting back would just have been a dumb suicide, nothing more.

 

[repiV]

Because we're already at war with Iran, right... right?

I'll QFT this one for now:


Fighting back would just have been a dumb suicide, nothing more.

I think you missed the point. I wasn't even talking about Iran, I was merely countering his assertion that "no ideology is worth dying for".

 

[CptStern]

World War II was about ideology, however you choose to spin it.

poland wasnt invaded by ideology, france didnt surrender because of ideology

I don't even know what your point is, your comment was utterly irrelevant.

you said:

"Yeah, I guess we should have just allowed Hitler to take over the world.
That isn't wisdom, it's self-centered cowardice"

you also rant about how terrorism is a threat to the west ...try to extend that idea into what you said ..self centered cowardice ..if you feel the threat of terror is real to your country then it would be "self-centered cowardice to do nothing

I can't join the military. At all. Ever.

security contracts, civilian contracts ..damn just pick up a gun and tag along

 

[jondy]

World War II was about ideology, however you choose to spin it.

Nope, we were saving our own asses. Had it been for ideology we would have stepped in 4 years previous when the Rhineland was occupied.

We're not at war to maintain a 'free and democratic' world. We'd be fighting a decent percentage of the world's nationstates were that the case.

 

[gick]

That video is ****ing disgusting. There were 15 sailors and marines armed with pistols and shitty little SA80 rifles - they wouldnt have lasted 10 seconds against the 8 heavily armed patrol boats full of Revolutionary Guards. So they would have got themselves all killed and created a huge diplomatic crisis at best, and a war at worst.

Some of you people need to get a ****ing clue what you're talking about.