A weak school shooting in my town!?

[CyberPitz]

I thought the people in this town were too stupid to do a school shooting. But I did find out their too stupid to aim at another person....

http://www.joplinglobe.com/breakingnews/local_story_282094315.html

Shot fired at Memorial Middle School

A Joplin student is in custody at Memorial Middle School after one shot was

fired Monday morning at the school, Joplin police Lt. Geoff Jones said. No

injuries were reported.

Joplin R-8 Superintendent Jim Simpson said the police responded quickly and

that the plan the school district has in place for such incidents worked

effectively.

"It was a very close call," Simpson said.

Parents are at the school now picking up students. The area is secure, and a

press confererence is scheduled to start at 8:35.

*EDIT* The kid also had bomb making materials, and the bomb squad was sent to his house....roped off and all.

 

[ailevation]

Don't school shootings happen all the time?

 

[Core407]

Don't school shootings happen all the time?

Not really. The media likes to blow things out of proportion, but there probably is a rise in shootings.

 

[CyberPitz]

I'm mainly making fun of the fact that his gun jammed after one shot....and he didn't even shoot anybody. I guess he just wanted to be in the media...

 

[ailevation]

I know the media likes to blow them out of proportion.

I mean they DO happen all the time. It's funny that the media doesn't like to cover shootings that are gang related and such. Because over here in the LA county area, it happens all the time.

Maybe they only cover the stuff where there's a mass of people getting killed at one time. I admit, regular school shootings that I have heard about in my area are nowhere near horrific as Columbine, or the recent one.

It just pisses me off how people react to it like, "OMG! The world is going to end, another school shooting!" Just because the word 'shooting' and 'school' are in the same sentence.

Happens all the time.

 

[xcellerate]

I wish I could understand why they think this is a good idea.

 

[DeusExMachina]

There's definitely been in a rise in school shootings.

 

[CyberPitz]

I know the media likes to blow them out of proportion.

I mean they DO happen all the time. It's funny that the media doesn't like to cover shootings that are gang related and such. Because over here in the LA county area, it happens all the time.

Maybe they only cover the stuff where there's a mass of people getting killed at one time. I admit, regular school shootings that I have heard about in my area are nowhere near horrific as Columbine, or the recent one.

It just pisses me off how people react to it like, "OMG! The world is going to end, another school shooting!" Just because the word 'shooting' and 'school' are in the same sentence.

Happens all the time.

Lets break this down a bit..

I mean they DO happen all the time. It's funny that the media doesn't like to cover shootings that are gang related and such. Because over here in the LA county area, it happens all the time.

Maybe they only cover the stuff where there's a mass of people getting killed at one time. I admit, regular school shootings that I have heard about in my area are nowhere near horrific as Columbine, or the recent one.

Nobody died/got shot, anything..it was ONE bullet from a gun...it made it to CNN.

It just pisses me off how people react to it like, "OMG! The world is going to end, another school shooting!" Just because the word 'shooting' and 'school' are in the same sentence.

Where am I freaking out in the SLIGHTEST of bits. I believe my post would have been more like, "WOAH MY TOWN JUST HAD A SHOOTING!! IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME IF I WENT TO SCHOOL!" But instead, I insulted his lack of decent aim....

Next time, blow up about something and make some sense about it...

*EDIT* and what do you suppose most people do when a school their CHILDREN go to has bullets flying about? Shrug it off? Seriously, get a clue.

 

[StardogChampion]

Move to the UK if you don't like guns. You might get knifed or bottled though.

 

[kirovman]

The amount of guns getting into schools in the States does seem excessive.

You might get knifed or bottled though.

More avoidable than being shot.

 

[Xune]

The amount of guns seems excessive?!

What is an acceptable amount of guns to have in a school then?

 

[kirovman]

I'm sure there's a quota per capita imposed by the UN!

 

[CyberPitz]

I'm sure there's a quota per capita imposed by the UN!

Only 35 guns are allowed total in schools, that's not including officials, though.

 

[Majestic XII]

I know the media likes to blow them out of proportion.

I mean they DO happen all the time. It's funny that the media doesn't like to cover shootings that are gang related and such. Because over here in the LA county area, it happens all the time.

Maybe they only cover the stuff where there's a mass of people getting killed at one time. I admit, regular school shootings that I have heard about in my area are nowhere near horrific as Columbine, or the recent one.

It just pisses me off how people react to it like, "OMG! The world is going to end, another school shooting!" Just because the word 'shooting' and 'school' are in the same sentence.

Happens all the time.

Are you serious? What the **** is up with that?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Not really. The media likes to blow things out of proportion, but there probably is a rise in shootings.

Blame this on self-richeous needs-to-belong-plus-insecure and **** middle school and highschoolers who would drown they're best friends dog if it meant someone would say, "Wow. Your like, rich, and cute. Want to do it?" :rolling: Poor damn dog. Wasted on the security of the hopeless.

Blame also the teachers who're afraid to confront the mouthy and over privledged. Manipulating standards like they're nationality, religion, sexual orientation, or their mommy and daddys paygrade to get out of punishment. Grr! Or what of the youth who tout piss poor behaviors and complete disreguard for law? Such choices only prove that these are children of our future -- and they barely know how to get my ****ing order right at a McDonalds. Oi vei! That and other percentage of youth out to be popularist asshats by outcasting other children through humiliation and degradation. The teachers also lack the wit and mental capacity to attack the fauxpaic rich and aristocratic down at the source and bring everyone back to the samepage: Education. Not belonging. You get that later in life.

Oi! Society! Columbine Fact #1: The gunners were rich, quite popular, and were involved in numerous extracurricular activites. Most of the shootings were aimed at children they were jealous of or disliked because they did not meet the Aryan Quality Assurance stamp of approval.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Oi! Society! Columbine Fact #1: The gunners were rich, quite popular, and were involved in numerous extracurricular activites. Most of the shootings were aimed at children they were jealous of or disliked because they did not meet the Aryan Quality Assurance stamp of approval.

What? Where did you get that information?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

You NEVER HEARD OF THIS?

OMG!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre#Firearms
http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

1. Targeting jocks, blacks, and Christians: There were no targets. Harris and Klebold just wanted body count, and they didn't care who died. They expected their bombs to do most of the killing, murdering everyone in the cafeteria, irrespective of clique or social standing. When the bombs failed, they shot indiscriminately, firing into open crowds and under tables without bothering to see who their victims were. They taunted jocks briefly in the library, but they taunted virtually everyone else there, too.

2. The Trench Coat Mafia: A small group of Columbine students did dub themselves the Trenchcoat Mafia, and they did have a feud with a band of jocks in 1999. But it was never a formal gang or club, and most of the members graduated nearly a year before the massacre. Harris and Klebold were never closely affiliated with the group and did not appear in the 1998 yearbook picture identifying the members. The TCM had little to do with Harris and Klebold and nothing to do with the massacre. The killers wore long coats in order to hide their weapons.

3. The Hit List: Eric Harris did create an enemies list, with a wide and sometimes comical assortment of personalities—students who pissed him off, girls who refused his dates, Tiger Woods. There's no indication that these were ever intended as targets. No one on the list was killed.

4. Christian Martyr Cassie Bernall: One of the killers allegedly asked student Cassie Bernall if she believed in God, then killed her when she said yes. Bernall became a revered figure among evangelical Christians. In fact, one of the killers posed the question to another girl, Valeen Schnurr, after she had already been shot. They had a short exchange, he reloaded, got distracted, and she crawled away to safety.

5. Marilyn Manson: Klebold and Harris hated Marilyn Manson. On his Web site, Harris said he loved, "Good, fast, hard, strong, pounding TECHNO!! Such as KMFDM, PRODIGY, ORBITAL, RAMMSTEIN, and such."

6. Escape to New York: Harris' journal does contain a passage about hijacking a plane and crashing it into New York City, but that appears to have been an early fantasy. He settled on a more practical scheme long before he and Klebold actually staged their massacre. By the time of the attack, they fully expected to die at the high school. They refer to their death routinely and explicitly in their writings and in their videos.

7. Outcasts: Perhaps the most pervasive myth is that Harris and Klebold were rejected outcasts. They were not captains of the football team, but they were far more accepted than many of their schoolmates. They hung out with a tight circle of close friends and partied regularly on the weekend with a wider crowd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold
http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/

I'm originally from Colorado and this was information affirmed by the boys parents and multiple documentaries. Not to mention the Denver Post, which was a decent paper I might add.

 

[DeusExMachina]

...No, you're post didn't say any of that :|. They killed indiscriminately. I knew all that.

I don't remember the gunners ever being popular.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Originally posted by K e r b e r o s
Columbine Fact #1: The gunners were rich, quite popular, and were involved in numerous extracurricular activites. Most of the shootings were aimed at children they were jealous of or disliked because they did not meet the Aryan Quality Assurance stamp of approval.

Originally posted by K e r b e r o s
7. Outcasts: Perhaps the most pervasive myth is that Harris and Klebold were rejected outcasts. They were not captains of the football team, but they were far more accepted than many of their schoolmates. They hung out with a tight circle of close friends and partied regularly on the weekend with a wider crowd.

1. Targeting jocks, blacks, and Christians: There were no targets. Harris and Klebold just wanted body count, and they didn't care who died. They expected their bombs to do most of the killing, murdering everyone in the cafeteria, irrespective of clique or social standing. When the bombs failed, they shot indiscriminately, firing into open crowds and under tables without bothering to see who their victims were. They taunted jocks briefly in the library, but they taunted virtually everyone else there, too.

2. The Trench Coat Mafia: A small group of Columbine students did dub themselves the Trenchcoat Mafia, and they did have a feud with a band of jocks in 1999. But it was never a formal gang or club, and most of the members graduated nearly a year before the massacre. Harris and Klebold were never closely affiliated with the group and did not appear in the 1998 yearbook picture identifying the members. The TCM had little to do with Harris and Klebold and nothing to do with the massacre. The killers wore long coats in order to hide their weapons.

3. The Hit List: Eric Harris did create an enemies list, with a wide and sometimes comical assortment of personalities—students who pissed him off, girls who refused his dates, Tiger Woods. There's no indication that these were ever intended as targets. No one on the list was killed.

I think I gave you some sort of preview if anything into what I was going to post later. In essence, I posted one simple fact from the sleu that were available about the Columbine Gunmen and their atrocities. You even asked me before my second post where I got that information ... :thumbs: I thought that was an affirmation you understood what I published and wanted to see more of it!

School Shooters are'nt always the loners who are getting harassed or threatened into commiting those such atrocities. Especially for Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. The fact some children, teens, or even adults would idolize them as what they know now to be the social struggle that is always known for a reminscent of public education systems, is infact, bizarre, misguided, and to be quite honest sick.

 

[function9]

Blame this on self-richeous needs-to-belong-plus-insecure and **** middle school and highschoolers who would drown they're best friends dog if it meant someone would say, "Wow. Your like, rich, and cute. Want to do it?" Poor damn dog. Wasted on the security of the hopeless.

Blame also the teachers who're afraid to confront the mouthy and over privledged. Manipulating standards like they're nationality, religion, sexual orientation, or their mommy and daddys paygrade to get out of punishment. Grr! Or what of the youth who tout piss poor behaviors and complete disreguard for law? Such choices only prove that these are children of our future -- and they barely know how to get my ****ing order right at a McDonalds. Oi vei! That and other percentage of youth out to be popularist asshats by outcasting other children through humiliation and degradation. The teachers also lack the wit and mental capacity to attack the fauxpaic rich and aristocratic down at the source and bring everyone back to the samepage: Education. Not belonging. You get that later in life.

Oi! Society! Columbine Fact #1: The gunners were rich, quite popular, and were involved in numerous extracurricular activites. Most of the shootings were aimed at children they were jealous of or disliked because they did not meet the Aryan Quality Assurance stamp of approval.

Well said Kerberos.

Kids are getting way too much way too early, as you can see the results aren't great. What do kids have to fear or look forward to later in life when they get anything they want, yep and now that even includes being TV stars, without consequences. Gone are they days when you can properly discipline children.

 

[ailevation]

Lets break this down a bit..



Nobody died/got shot, anything..it was ONE bullet from a gun...it made it to CNN.



Where am I freaking out in the SLIGHTEST of bits. I believe my post would have been more like, "WOAH MY TOWN JUST HAD A SHOOTING!! IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME IF I WENT TO SCHOOL!" But instead, I insulted his lack of decent aim....

Next time, blow up about something and make some sense about it...

*EDIT* and what do you suppose most people do when a school their CHILDREN go to has bullets flying about? Shrug it off? Seriously, get a clue.

Who said I was directing my post to you? I was posting it as a general comment addressing OTHERS, if not you, who act like this. So, if my previous comment offends you, then it applies to you. If not, then let it be. Seriously, get a clue.

Yes, school shootings are probably something to get worked up about. But, people act or really don't know that this stuff goes on all the time. Once it hits CNN or MSNBC, their reactions are like, "Wow! omg society is gonna end!"

It's like saying people getting killed/murdered is not a common thing. - HAPPENS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Wow what a ****ed up country

Where does a 13 year old get a mother****ing ak-47?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Saudi Arabia :thumbs: Were not the only one!

 

[K e r b e r o s]

It's like saying people getting killed/murdered is not a common thing. - HAPPENS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!

Between the two of us, there are approximately between 40,000 to 300,000 Homicide cases each year. The figures actually depend how much experience you've had in jobs fielding with the Law Enforcement or Justice system.

Between 240 million people, that is quite a lot to have vanish. Almost like when the Germans made their first Encirclement of Soviet Forces just 20-60 miles into the Russian border during World War 2.

But yet at the sametime, its not that bad, and sometimes the homicides are almost centralled around our major cities or places where the law is still trying to play catch up with the rest of.

The places I know of and especially the state I currently live have really low murder rates. I moved here not even knowing that. Also, a personal aside that has nothing to do with the quote above -

To believe that a country, any one country for that matter, is exclusively ****ed up for having school shootings is little far fetched of arguement. You might say, and more specifically that the education system is ****ed up.

For, when something like this happens, I read a child mad at either the complete disreguard of rules by peers or staff, lack of understanding of the material being taught and of course being berated or left behind for it, or social confrontation to what they just happen to be.

For the rest of these children, many of whom are upset with their schoolmates, teachers, and how they're education is being served them they're might be other options for them to present their upset besides shootings or violent statements.

They could adapt and just move -- but no one should have to move in order for somethings to get fixed. Critically, we should reobserve the education system so either it becomes more interractive to bring the focus back on education, or, we institute what some European and American private/boarding schools put into effect to seperate the youths need for individualism and social access. Clothing and makeup. Uniforms and no makeup.

We might also need to address the material being taught -- most children are going have an interest, and sometimes its nots always on whats on curriculum for that time of month or year. Still, its needs to be taught but it also needs to be interesting. Teachers need also to be more positive and energentic, recognized by the students as someone to perform what is now appropriate: whose better then who, but in terms of education.

This might cause some little conflicts here and there, but at least, when everyones competing to make ends meet for their material and grade, everyones a lot less focused on themselves and more focused on they're education. Even on teamwork, which will be useful for future manual labour or corperate/sector work.

 

[CyberPitz]

Who said I was directing my post to you? I was posting it as a general comment addressing OTHERS, if not you, who act like this. So, if my previous comment offends you, then it applies to you. If not, then let it be. Seriously, get a clue.

Yes, school shootings are probably something to get worked up about. But, people act or really don't know that this stuff goes on all the time. Once it hits CNN or MSNBC, their reactions are like, "Wow! omg society is gonna end!"

It's like saying people getting killed/murdered is not a common thing. - HAPPENS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!

Weren't you one of the people who flipped about Steve Irwin dying?

 

[ailevation]

How do you know what my emotions are behind the posts?

Just because I post something like,"OMG MAN I REALLY HATE THAT BAND AEROSMITH " Am I flipping out right now?

I mean yes, it's tragic that Steve Irwin died, I may have made it look like that I was "flipping out" on a post. But, that is why I always approach forum posting with a bit of sarcasm.

 

[CyberPitz]

How do you know what my emotions are behind the posts?

Just because I post something like,"OMG MAN I REALLY HATE THAT BAND AEROSMITH " Am I flipping out right now?

I mean yes, it's tragic that Steve Irwin died, I may have made it look like that I was "flipping out" on a post. But, that is why I always approach forum posting with a bit of sarcasm.

Bah, you're not allowed to do that this week. My Sarcasm meter is in the shop. It blew a gaskit, piece of shit.

I'm just saying people freak out about it because its reality that is hitting close to home, and the last place they thought their children weren't safe, was at school....

 

[<RJMC>]

Saudi Arabia :thumbs: Were not the only one!

that make me laugh

btw is true that there is too much "OMFG KIDS SHOOTING IN DA SCHOOLS OUR POOR BABYES BLAME VIDEOGAMES!" stuff in the media even here it was mentioned in a local newspaper
and the shooting in the amish school was tragic

 

[CyberPitz]

that make me laugh

btw is true that there is too much "OMFG KIDS SHOOTING IN DA SCHOOLS OUR POOR BABYES BLAME VIDEOGAMES!" stuff in the media even here it was mentioned in a local newspaper
and the shooting in the amish school was tragic

Well, the blame on video games has gone down since it first started occuring, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.. sadly, people still blame something other than the poor parenting....

 

[K e r b e r o s]

sadly, people still blame something other than the poor parenting....

Well, it all depends upon what side of the arguement your coming from. And that, 'depends' part really rests on what your side sees as lacking been taught or understood by another individual or party.

What some of us, even me for example, have to understand is that yes while creepy, Jack Thompson may yet have a point on violent video games. While on another spectrum, you have an extremely good point on the violence being commited by our youth; where, like most common sensed individuals prefer to blame the control rather then the play.

But, when the control is not they're and all their is, is a video game to raise the child ... whose to say that when not being monitored, a unmatured kid, teen, or adult even might attempt to fable in lessons from these video games where he or she might realize the quality of life is lacking or has remained unanswered.

IMHO.

 

[CyberPitz]

Well, it all depends upon what side of the arguement your coming from. And that, 'depends' part really rests on what your side sees as lacking been taught or understood by another individual or party.

What some of us, even me for example, have to understand is that yes while creepy, Jack Thompson may yet have a point on violent video games. While on another spectrum, you have an extremely good point on the violence being commited by our youth; where, like most common sensed individuals prefer to blame the control rather then the play.

But, when the control is not they're and all their is, is a video game to raise the child ... whose to say that when not being monitored, a unmatured kid, teen, or adult even might attempt to fable in lessons from these video games where he or she might realize the quality of life is lacking or has remained unanswered.

IMHO.

I dunno, I've been playing violent video games since my very young youth (Wolfenstein 3D..) and sense then, Doom, on up to Battlefield 2. FPS were my thing. I didn't turn out to be ANY sort of violent person. You know why? My dad disciplined me when I did something wrong, taught me common sense, and that VIDEO GAMES ARE FAKE AND ARE MEANT TO BE USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND NO TRUTH SHOULD BE EXTRACTED FROM IT. That was a very important lesson he gave me. Keep yourself in reality. The big point of the video game arguement is WHY are kids playing games rated mature when they are 14 years old? How did they get it? They went and got it at the store, they didn't get carded or anything, that's fine. How come the parent had no idea they were playing said violent games? Lack of care. Sure parents care a great deal for their kids, hell, they would die for their kids in most cases*. But the problem is they don't care what they DO. Sure, they will ground the kid, they will send them to their room, but most punishments lack one thing that kept kids in line for YEARS back in the day. Physical. I know I stayed in line for fear of betting my ass whooped. Now spanking can be turned into ****ing child abuse...parents are afraid to discipline their kids in an efficient way.

I don't know about you, but I find a big problem with kids these days lies along parents and what they do/don't do with thier children....

* See case: mother beating boyfriend with baby*

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I dunno, I've been playing violent video games since my very young youth (Wolfenstein 3D..) and sense then, Doom, on up to Battlefield 2. FPS were my thing. I didn't turn out to be ANY sort of violent person. You know why? My dad disciplined me when I did something wrong, taught me common sense, and that VIDEO GAMES ARE FAKE AND ARE MEANT TO BE USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND NO TRUTH SHOULD BE EXTRACTED FROM IT.

Well of course. Your dad had the knowledge to step in and let you know that the games were fake and were'nt to be taken seriously. I conjectured however about a person who lacked that type of intervention.

I don't know about you, but I find a big problem with kids these days lies along parents and what they do/don't do with thier children....

Yea, thats very true. I find the problem a two way street IMHO.

 

[CyberPitz]

Well of course. Your dad had the knowledge to step in and let you know that the games were fake and were'nt to be taken seriously. I conjectured however about a person who lacked that type of intervention.



Yea, thats very true. I find the problem a two way street IMHO.

Yeah, I know. I was just explaining my stance on why I blame the large amount of this stuff going on, on the parents...

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Oh, well slap me upside the head then! :cheers:

:looks around: It's so my brain can fix itself ... !

 

[15357]

I remember, back I was 11..... ah.. the good days...


My friends' family took a trip and I tagged along with other friends, and uh... they actually lent me a bolt-action rifle to shoot with.

I was like: wait, this isn't a BB? This is a REAL GUN!? WTF? COOOOL! *goes to fire some 50 rounds at a wall*

I'm prolly the only person who has shot a live firearm while under the age of 18 in Korea (excepting student officers/army)


Ah, the joy of shooting guns..... better with semiautomatic assualt rifles.... ahhh.... bliss.....

 

[K e r b e r o s]

It's so wierd firing a gun -- ... its like ... odd. Y'know what I'm talking about, right numbers? A certain ... sensation arouses your immediate attention on making the trigger commit to its function. Repeatedly.

 

[Geogaddi]

I have a friend (He's 16) who works on a shrimp boat and makes tons of money. He's got a shitload of knives and guns, one of which is a Romanian AK47. I had fun just holding it and pointing it at the walls in his room.

 

[CyberPitz]

It's so wierd firing a gun -- ... its like ... odd. Y'know what I'm talking about, right numbers? A certain ... sensation arouses your immediate attention on making the trigger commit to its function. Repeatedly.

It's the fact you have the power to decide who lives who dies in the palm of your hands....dangerous feeling, hence why I don't hold guns anymore.

 

[Cole]

We had a recent close call around here.
Green Bay West(Or was it east. We had a soccer game that was with the one without the *almost* school shooting.)(I live a good 40 minutes away) almost had a school shooting. Two or Three kids were planning it. They had automatic guns, several bombs, and the day they were going through with it a friend who found out(who had also convinced them not to on several occasions) turned them in and the police searched there houses and found all this material.

These people were those quiet ones that really didn't talk, really wern't social at all, dressed a bit gothy. The kids had told police that they were depressed and wanted to go out by police(as in the police shooting them).

 

[15357]

It's so wierd firing a gun -- ... its like ... odd. Y'know what I'm talking about, right numbers? A certain ... sensation arouses your immediate attention on making the trigger commit to its function. Repeatedly.

Yeah.....


Today, I fired an air rifle at a school trip. It was fun, but not quiet the exact sensation of.... a real rifle...