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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1892696,00.html

For the abortion of younger foetuses, labour is induced by drugs in the expectation that the infant will not survive the birth process. Guidelines say that doctors should ensure that the drugs they use prevent such babies being alive at birth.

In practice, according to Stuart Campbell, former professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at St George’s hospital, London, a number do survive.

“They can be born breathing and crying at 19 weeks’ gestation,” he said. “I am not anti-abortion, but as far as I am concerned this is sub-standard medicine.”



How sad ;(
 
dude thats one of the most ****ing depressing things i've ever heard D:
 
The doctors should perhaps put a little more effort into their work.. jeez.
 
Abortion is disgusting to me. Everything has consequences, dont have sex if you cant deal with the consequence.

Disgusting
 
Uriel said:
Abortion is disgusting to me. Everything has consequences, dont have sex if you cant deal with the consequence.

Disgusting
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life ftw
 
Uriel said:
Abortion is disgusting to me. Everything has consequences, dont have sex if you cant deal with the consequence.

Disgusting
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Not to spark a political debate, but...

what about rape?

People shouldn't get abortions so late, and that's messed up. I didn't think there was medication to do that after 18 weeks :O
 
Rape is definitely a difficult subject when it comes to abortion.

Step # 1 - Kill the Rapist.
 
Uriel said:
Rape is definitely a difficult subject when it comes to abortion.

Step # 1 - Kill the Rapist.
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Thank you for not quoting small portions of my post and referring to them in an agressive and insulting manner!!!:thumbs:
 
I can see this thread going to hell very shortly.

I honestly believe it's a mother's right to choose.
 
For the record, I'm pro-choice, but dealing with the topic, that is rather horrible. If you are going to get an abortion, you should have the small comfort of knowing that it's going to be painless for the fetus and not have to worry about something like that. It's dreadful.
 
Regardless of pro-choice or pro-life. I think all (well.. hell not safe even to say that I guess, some will still disagree) of us can agree that anything after 18 weeks is way too late to be doing it.
 
18 weeks is like wtf, you have to admit that even if ur pro-choice, seriously thats just sick people.
 
I'm pro-choice until the first trimester is over. You should only have an abortion if you're ****ing sure, and people who are ****ing sure get it done as soon as they know they are pregnant.
 
what about rape?
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#1. What did the baby do to deserve death?
#2. Only 1% of abortions are for hard cases, such as rape or for the health of the mother.
I'm all for aborting if the mother's life is at stake, but beyond that, no.
 
i say if the mothers life isnt at stake or she isnt raped, then we off the stupid whore too
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Regardless of pro-choice or pro-life. I think all (well.. hell not safe even to say that I guess, some will still disagree) of us can agree that anything after 18 weeks is way too late to be doing it.
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Yes, I agree with Erestheux's point also.

Muffin Man said:
i say if the mothers life isnt at stake or she isnt raped, then we off the stupid whore too
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Post maturely or ban.
 
Hmm...guess they have premature birth. Guess that must be for the last stage. In earlier stages they usually scramble the babies brains and let it ooze out.
 
ComradeBadger said:
I can see this thread going to hell very shortly.

I honestly believe it's a mother's right to choose.
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As do I. If she wants to abort it, who am I to say, 'No"? I've never really had a problem with abortion. Hell, I wouldn't think twice if I was with a woman, she got pregnant, wanted to abort, I'd be all for it. It is her body, if she doesn't want to have it, she doesn't have to.
 
This is such a hard subject... I'm not sure about this, but I do know that even rape is no excuse for having an abortion this late. Women definitely deserve the right to choose, but they need to make the choice within a certain timeframe...


EDIT: shouldn't this be under politics? or not?
 
Glirk Dient said:
Hmm...guess they have premature birth. Guess that must be for the last stage. In earlier stages they usually scramble the babies brains and let it ooze out.
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theres no scrambling in earlier stages. in early stages (<12 weeks) they use the medical method (drugs), or a vacuum type instrument.
 
Well, it's my opinion that abortion is pretty much wrong in any case.

When you are concieved, you start down the 'journey of life'. You aren't outside of your mother yet, but you are still very much alive. You are simply growing. When you are born, you aren't done growing. You don't stop phsyically and mentally growing till you're in your early 20s.

Should we accept the killing of 1-20sommat year olds simply because they ain't done growing? Just because you can't see a child growing in its mother's belly doesn't mean it isn't alive!

It's true a small embryo can't live seperate and unsupported. But then again, a small baby won't last long if left to fend for itself. It's a fact of life that we mammals become more indepedent as we grow older. But we are still, at all points, alive. You are endowed with life at conception, and you lose it when you die. Period.
 
Skar said:
Well, it's my opinion that abortion is pretty much wrong in any case.

When you are concieved, you start down the 'journey of life'. You aren't outside of your mother yet, but you are still very much alive. You are simply growing. When you are born, you aren't done growing. You don't stop phsyically and mentally growing till you're in your early 20s.

Should we accept the killing of 1-20sommat year olds simply because they ain't done growing? Just because you can't see a child growing in its mother's belly doesn't mean it isn't alive!

It's true a small embryo can't live seperate and unsupported. But then again, a small baby won't last long if left to fend for itself. It's a fact of life that we mammals become more indepedent as we grow older. But we are still, at all points, alive. You are endowed with life at conception, and you lose it when you die. Period.
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there is a difference in that a 3 week old embryo isnt actually conscious, it doesnt have any mental existence at all.
 
No baby has conciousness of its surroundings and certainly not much of itself. That is something you 'learn' when you are brought into the 'world', whereas before you were living in a 'dark womb' from the moment your existence began.

What right do we have to deprive an embryo, a baby, a child of that existence? It may not be aware of itself yet, but it will be.

A small baby can not differentiate 'right' from 'wrong', it doesn't have much in the way of common sense yet, etc... but it WILL. They haven't grown enough to comprehend! But that doesn't mean they aren't alive! If I ambushed you and knocked you clean out, you won't be aware of yourself, but you are still alive! Do I have a right to 'abort' you simply because you are knocked out, or in a coma?
 
Skar said:
No baby has conciousness of its surroundings and certainly not much of itself. That is something you 'learn' when you are brought into the 'world', whereas before you were living in a 'dark womb' from the moment your existence began.

What right do we have to deprive an embryo, a baby, a child of that existence? It may not be aware of itself yet, but it will be.

A small baby can not differentiate 'right' from 'wrong', it doesn't have much in the way of common sense yet, etc... but it WILL. They haven't grown enough to comprehend! But that doesn't mean they aren't alive! If I ambushed you and knocked you clean out, you won't be aware of yourself, but you are still alive! Do I have a right to 'abort' you simply because you are knocked out, or in a coma?
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Every womans egg has that potential, every one of my sperm cells has that potential as well. There is very little difference yet we don't consider those 2 cells to be all that sacred.
 
They have no potential till they come together. It is at that point that the human begins to grow and where I believe life begins. No sperm or egg by itself grows into a full fledged human being.
 
Skar said:
No baby has conciousness of its surroundings and certainly not much of itself.
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It is aware that it exists, it can think. An embryo cannot because it has no brain.
 
My whole point has been that is still growing. It's brain has not developed fully yet, but that doesn't mean it isn't alive. How does a lack of awareness give you the right to kill a living human? A two year old isn't capable of understanding calculus as its brain hasn't grown enough yet. Similarly, the embryo is just not developed enough to 'think' as we would see it. As I just said, a person who is knocked out or in a coma is not aware of his/her self. He/She won't feel pain, won't ponder the question of abortion, or anything else. They are in a similar state to an embryo. Neither are thinking at that point, but both will be in time. You may say that the embryo lacks the 'capability' to think, however, but the answer to that is that it's capability hasn't manifested yet.

Please, tell me what is the difference between an embryo and a baby? What is the difference between having a fully developed thought process? Why does one have the right to live and the other none at all?
 
Please stop discussing abortion, it hurts my brain.

Some of you people sound like you would blow up abortion clinics. :(
 
Sorry. I get a bit exasperated and frustrated sometimes. And as for the clinics, well... that might be a tad hypocritical wouldn't it? Though I do see a good ends justifies the means argument for that.
 
Skar said:
Though I do see a good ends justifies the means argument for that.
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Man, you're f*cked up in the head. :|

Go away to the politics forum with that crap.
 
Erestheux said:
Man, you're f*cked up in the head. :|

Go away to the politics forum with that crap.
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He's in gen off topic with this! :O
looks like this thread leaked out of politics somehow.. I'll shove it back in..

EDIT: No I wont, I'll lock it instead since its completely off topic now, and there have already been a billion of these carbon copy arguments in politics.
 
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