Abortion

[JOEBIALEK]

On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.

Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.

 

[Raziaar]

Oh lordy lawd.

 

[Absinthe]

I wish you were aborted.

 

[el Chi]

Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions.

It's nice to see that the old myths still manage to perpetuate themselves amongst the pro-life movement.
This idea that women use abortions like condoms is utterly ludicrous.
"Oh drat, looks like I'm preggers again! Ho hum, no harm done; off to the doctors to remove the bun."

Seriously, I'm going to stop myself because I'm fed up of this old chestnut.

 

[PvtRyan]

On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.

Life begins at the point of conception.

Well, it was already "life" before conception (actually, twice as much life, because it consisted of a sperm and an egg), and it is no more or less "life" after conception. It's certainly life though, but that's not the point. It's whether or not a lump of cells deserves human rights. And that's just an asinine position.

No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue.

Depends, there's a shitload of stuff that can go wrong after conception. I think only a minority of fertilized eggs attach to the womb. Do you hold a funeral every time this does not happen?

Anyway, arguments from potential are bullshit. The fetus could also develop into the next Hitler.

What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence?

Asinine point. If I had been aborted, I would not have been here to care about it, now would I?

Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions.

Right, people really do use it like contraception. People rather get an abortion than condoms. Much more convenient than spending a few bucks on the pill or condoms.

They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created.

Sanctity of life? Haha, not all life is of equal worth. Claiming a fertilized egg is sacred is like claiming your skin cells are sacred. It's retarded, nothing less.

What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption?

That's a bad option, both for the mother as for the child. The mother will live on knowing that somewhere she has a kid walking around, and the kid grows up in orphan homes after which he will hopefully be adopted, but that's not easy either for the kid.

Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter!

But abortion isn't manslaughter unless you think scratching yourself or getting yourself operated on a tumour is manslaughter.

Does the father of the child have a say in this?

Yeah, when the mother doesn't want the child it's a good idea to let the guy decide over the mother's body. Seriously.

And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

Sure. All people are deserving of that. A fetus is not a person.

I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.

You say this while people are dying in Iraq. Both Americans and Iraqis. People with loved ones. People with hopes and dreams. Not to mention all the other conflicts and suffering. Yet what do you do? You care about lumps of fucking cells. Nice one. You might want to rethink your priorities and focus on things that hurt actual people and animals.

You can't base your decision whether or not something deserves human rights on the basis of it having human DNA in its cells.

Imagine this:
There's a petri dish with in it 10000 fertilized eggs. On a chair in the same room is 8-year old little Timmy. You're forced to either destroy the eggs, or kill little Timmy. What would you do?

Based on your post, it's a no-brainer: you would kill Timmy and save the eggs, because surely anyone can see, eventhough the loss of Timmy will be tragic, it's better to lose 1 person than a 10000. Right?

Anyone who is against abortion logically has a point where the worth of the eggs (or embryos/fetuses, doesn't matter, they're still not people) is greater than the worth of Timmy. And that's nothing short of insane.

Life has no absolute worth. Life has derived worth. Little Timmy has more value than a 1000, a million or even a billion fertilized eggs because little Timmy has a conscious perception of the world. Because he has parents and friends, etc. that love him. Because he cares about his own existence. There's no one that cares about the eggs. Their non-existence won't hurt anyone. In abortion, the fetus/embryo doesn't care about its own existence, neither do the parents (or they wouldn't get it aborted) so no one is hurt by this abortion. In a normal pregnancy, the fetus doesn't care about its own existence either, but the parents do and killing the fetus would hurt the parents so then the fetus does have worth, derived worth.

When does something become a person? At no single point. But of course, you gotta set a limit somewhere. And that's been set at around where the fetus develops major brain functions, like the ability to sense and feel. And I have no problem with the position that the time limit of abortion should be set sooner, although the current limit has been decided by medical experts on reasonable grounds. But to say that the limit should be 0 days (= no abortion) is just stupid.

 

[Escaep]

While i dont necessary agree with abortion i believe it should be the womans choice. If she really doesn't want the child, she shouldn't be forced to have it. Yes, people need to use birth control until they are ready for kids. I would never be for an abortion of my own child.

 

[theotherguy]

Joe Bialek is a spam bot btw.

 

[PvtRyan]

Goddamnit. Well, at least I made my point.

 

[CptStern]

professional spammer?


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http://www.google.ca/search?q=JOEBI...on+the+issue+of+abortion.&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

 

[Hectic Glenn]

Thank you for the links Stern, banned this spewing turd. I don't know if the ban message will ever get to someone, but I hope so.

Do me a favour if you are so committed to this premise. Don't block abortion clinics, locks arms and block cemeteries. Lets see how committed you are to this...

Can't deal with pro-life people I'm afraid D: You guys want to carry on discussing this like proper adults or would you prefer a locky?

 

[Saturos]

Joe Bialek is a spam bot btw.

LOL Are you being sarcastic? EDIT > Nevermind, I can spot the obviousness of the spambot now. It looks so, well, lifeless. No character. Like a bot I suppose. Some spam bots are more obvious than others. Technically, how can one spot spambots on HL2.net? For my and the knowledge of others? (This would be a good thread BTW) Also, does that mean there are HL2.netters with malware infected PCs that log on? Dammit, I'd like to know more how it works, but it's probably a trade secret know only to those that know, "Munro-script".

 

[99.vikram]

Well, now I'll just have to pretend to be the pro life guy on this thread.

Hai gais I is new here but I wanna tell u somethin u may not kno about abortion the zygote is actually a human being despite lacking the complexity of a fish or indeed any nervous system but lol its still life cuz my mama told me that every child is a gift from heaven even me

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Well, now I'll just have to pretend to be the pro life guy on this thread.

Hai gais I is new here but I wanna tell u somethin u may not kno about abortion the zygote is actually a human being despite lacking the complexity of a fish or indeed any nervous system but lol its still life cuz my mama told me that every child is a gift from heaven even me

NO WAII!!!!!!!!!1111111elevenone!!

 

[Eejit]

/sigh

I wonder if pro-life people know that on average 25% of pregnancies abort naturally prior to 6 weeks (often due to chromosomal or genetic abnormalities the mother's body terminates it), and a further 8% after that (dropping after the 8th). This is also the period of time when the majority of abortions occur (in the UK at least).

The argument being, if the body does it so frequently, why can't a doctor? And for the religious: surely God wouldn't impart a soul to an embryo while there's still such a high risk of it being terminated by the mother?

 

[kirovman]

In a world of overpopulation and limited resources, we should be looking for mandatory abortion for all.

It's a vote winner.

 

[Raptor_Jesus]

It's nice to see that the old myths still manage to perpetuate themselves amongst the pro-life movement.
This idea that women use abortions like condoms is utterly ludicrous.
"Oh drat, looks like I'm preggers again! Ho hum, no harm done; off to the doctors to remove the bun."

Seriously, I'm going to stop myself because I'm fed up of this old chestnut.

that one point where the Op is right though



i know 4 chicks that didnt want use a rubber with theur bf,and wolla: "I guess I need an abortion!"

 

[Solaris]

that one point where the Op is right though



i know 4 chicks that didnt want use a rubber with theur bf,and wolla: "I guess I need an abortion!"

Congratulations, you win the internet thanks to your excellent argument.

 

[Munro]

This thread should have been destroyed from the start. Oh well, better late than never.