About discussions on alternate theories of the collapse of the two WTC's

[15357]

I vote to ban discussions on alternate theories of the collapse of the two WTC's. Imo, it has gone on for far long enough, without any progress.

I know that this might not achieve anything, and I don't really plan it to. But I just want your opinions.

 

[B_MAN]

why? if you're not interested, don't get involved
simple as that.

 

[15357]

I am not not interested.

I am just pointing out that it has gone on for too long enough, while there are more imporatant (and credible) matters to be discussed.

 

[jverne]

I am not not interested.

I am just pointing out that it has gone on for too long enough, while there are more imporatant (and credible) matters to be discussed.

yesss...?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

One can only dream...


...as the conspiracy folks have repeatedly proven, lol.

 

[Fat Tony!]

banbanban

 

[gick]

If you want to discuss it, keep to the threads we've already got (theres at least three). For god's sake dont start up any more.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

If we didn't have alternative theories, then we would believe anything that the State provides us with

 

[CptStern]

I vote to ban discussions on alternate theories of the collapse of the two WTC's. Imo, it has gone on for far long enough, without any progress.

I know that this might not achieve anything, and I don't really plan it to. But I just want your opinions.

just dont participate in it if you're not interested ..banning discussion on any subject is a slippery slope. Where do we draw the line? at least it will keep it contained to the thread

numbers, it may be the norm to you but censoring discussion (no matter how inane) is contrary to the what a political forum is all about

put up a sticky where all discussion on 9/11 conspiracy theories go, end of problem

 

[Ikerous]

I think the world would be a better place is we didn't ban things

 

[Nat Turner]

don't ban anything!!

 

[The Brick]

This is the internet, what else is there really to talk about besides sex and conspiracies?

Oh yeah, games.

 

[Neo_Kuja]

People always have suspicions about things that are already claimed as truthful - it's part of human nature to be curious and look for other possibilities. Banning the subject could lead to other bans as well.

What about a ban on the discussion on the war in Iraq ?
What about people who call George Bush a weasel ?

There's certainly enough people who discuss those subjects, so why don't we ban those ? My opinion : If you don't like the subject in question - don't read it.

 

[KagePrototype]

No, conspiracy threads are fun.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

No, just don't recreate the same thread that has been posted 50 times. In fact that's already a forum rule.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

They are actually rather amusing, but they become tiresome when the same points are repeated over and over long after they've been soundly refuted

Still, that annoyance isn't worth a ban. Maybe a warning if you're just recycling the same refuse, but otherwise I consider the threads to be excellent lessons in the danger of crossing the line between imagination and knowledge.

 

[15357]

I find it interesting that most of the guys who've posted in this thread are disagreeing with a ban, but Ban has more votes.

 

[Glirk Dient]

They are actually rather amusing, but they become tiresome when the same points are repeated over and over long after they've been soundly refuted

Still, that annoyance isn't worth a ban. Maybe a warning if you're just recycling the same refuse, but otherwise I consider the threads to be excellent lessons in the danger of crossing the line between imagination and knowledge.

omg...you can't prove there weren't explosions in the WTC so that proves there was. We all know Bu$h did it. In fact...he told everyone, except you and everyone else who doesn't believe it.

P.S. have you seen video? Loose Change It proves everything and makes the world spin.

 

[Adabiviak]

Are you unhappy with it because it's too long, or because there's no definitive resolution? That's not the only topic like that at any rate. I say leave it to stew in its own juices - some members are quite into it.

 

[15357]

I was actually making some discussion. I have no real opinion except for that I think its stupid. But thats my opinion and shouldn't matter to you.

 

[baxter]

Nay, I don't want to see them banned, maybe trimmed down a touch or as Stern suggested simply put into one sticky thread.

If you ban these topics then claims like this go unchallenged which left unchallenged implies there is a level of acceptance.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Their use of circular logic which doesn't involve facts to prove any of it but rather what they can't explain so theyr fabricate events which could fit but lack any evidence whatsoever and base their claims off the fact that there is no evidence to disprove it, only logic and physics to disprove their claims however they clearly lack an understanding for both for having followed these theories in the first place.

 

[Sebastian]

Where are all the people who voted ban? Come out of the woodwork you squirrly rascles.

 

[Rupertvdb]

Here's one of the Ban voters right here. I say end it now...it's just not worth talking about. Unless someone with a degree in whatever is required to fully explain in a single essay why the twin towers could not have collapsed can get on board and explain the entire event in one go I really don't think you can have a basis for discussion. I have read a few publications and seen a couple of films, but nothing has really been all that convincing. I enjoy this forum, in fact HL2.net is only a news page and a politics discussion board for me and I just don't think that subject adds anything at all to the place.

I do not have the benefit of a job which allows me to report first hand on the worlds issues, i'm working on that, but I read a lot and feel pretty confident arguing my corner on a lot of topics depsite my, at best, tertiary perspective. I like to think I can fit a bit of personal reason around the plethora of facts that I assimilate and I like to think that I discuss stuff with value. I don't think that I could do this when it comes to the twin towers massacre.

I'm pretty tired, and can't seem to express myself in the way that I want to. Feel free to tear into my half-arsed argument, but know that I'll probably be snorting a lot when I read any dissent and shining the walls of my ivory tower of wisdom.

 

[baxter]

Rupertvdb,

At the end of the day why discuss something that is pointless. It is clear to most people exactly what happened on this day, but people choose to doubt it.

These doubts are manifested in silly claims and stupid speculation. Whether you agree or disagree with this speculation is not the point of this poll. The point is should it be discussed at all.

Since most people simply refuse to believe this speculation, the obvious course is to reject it out of hand and remain quiet. It is so absurd, why bother to even address it?

Unless it is addressed and unless people voice their objections to these claims, they will remain. They will simply fester, allowing for more and more outrageous claims and silly speculation.

It is down to each and every one of us, not only to reject these claims but to voice our objection.

To refuse to object, voice our objections and state outright that this is unacceptable is to become the silent majority who will simply accept all we are told.

 

[Rupertvdb]

But then again if you spend time listening to every crackpot theory then you waste a lot of lifetime. I would rather leave the conspiracy theorists to use a different forum for their discussions, I like to think that Halflife2.net has a decent political forum (some exceptional contributers, some terrible, but definitely somewhere that I value) and there's no need for it to play host to pointless troll-attracting discussion like those theories.

 

[Pesmerga]

Ban them! Ban them all!

 

[baxter]

What you say is correct, why bother to listen to crackpot theories? There is no point at all.

The sad fact is that people do listen to these theories and the sad fact is that they do infest internet forums, including this one. As long as these crackpot theories invade these forums, there is only one of two options, one is a total ban, the other is that they are exposed as the absurdity they really are.

I personally prefer to highlight them as the nonsense they are.

Having said that nothing would please me more than to see the total removal of these theories from the entire planet.

 

[CptStern]

heh that's not likely to happen ..who shot jfk is still popular to this day, I expect these 9/11 conspiracy theories will be around just as long if not longer ...the funny thing is that the real conspiracy is staring them in the face (the invasion of iraq) and it doesnt rely on grainy footage or leaps of logic ..in fact the people responsible dont even bother to hide their tracks ...but no it's just to easy to see what's painfully obvious, they'd much rather look to the fanciful, the impossible, the ludicrous because invasions and lying is mundane

 

[baxter]

The real failing as you rightly pointed out was the massive short falls in the US intelligence agencies prior to 9/11.The same intelligence agencies that led to the disasterous war in Iraq.

How they failed totally, despite warning after warning about what was coming, to protect the US citizens.In the same way they failed and lied about WMD's in Iraq.

These crackpot theories simply throw a cloud a dust in front of this failing, whereby it actually becomes part the entire conspiracy theory.

They are actually contributing to concealing the truth, by their stupid and silly accusations, that being the short falls and failure to acknowledge the threat.Which now as simply become part of the 9/11 conspiracy ideology.

Their slender grasp between 9/11 and what as actually happened since simply allows the true failing to be hidden and obscured.

Why believe logic, common sense and what is staring you in the face ? it's better to believe the fanciful, the absurd and the down right insulting.

Hope they are pleased with themselves.

 

[theotherguy]

how about a seperate subforum titled "conspiracy theories"?

 

[Steve]

Hey, I don't agree with them, so I don't go into the thread. Just because you don't agree with someone's idea's, no matter how out there, doesn't mean you should just be able to shut them up. I think. I could have said that better. I need a beer.