Abu Ghraib prison attacked by insurgents!

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Wow! :thumbs:

The ruin of Abu Ghraib? ;)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/main541815.shtml

"The attack, carried out by 40 to 60 militants, began as darkness fell on the city. Soldiers and Marines stationed at the detention facility responded, and the resulting clash and gunfight lasted about 40 minutes, Rondeau said.

"This was obviously a very well organized attack and a very big attack," he said."

Unfortunately 12 prisoners reported indjured...
 
You are one sick mofo for cheering those bastards on..........
 
What is a sick mofo?!


This has to be stopped!:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml

Watch videos, klick on:

60 Minutes II acquired graphic photos of U.S. troops mistreating and humiliating Iraqi POWs. Dan Rather spoke to Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt about the military's probe of the events.

and

60 Minutes II updates its shocking story of Abu Ghraib POW abuse. CBS News' Dan Rather reports.

Bastards? Who are there the REAL BASTARDS?!
 
Well, I hate torture, so Nofuture has a point- it's great that the new guards posted there- who had nothing to do with the actions of their idiotic counterparts- were embroiled in yet another violent conflict that risked lives on both sides!

Seven thumbs up!
 
Nofuture said:
Dan Rather
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Stopped reading your post after this. Fortunatly those terrorist scumbags were pimped as they always are.
 
That anyone would cheer on terrorists is just incredible and boggles the mind. And put smiley figures and thumbs up in the post? People died in that raid, a lot of them. And you think its a big happy joke to gleefully report that terrorists attacked a prison in Iraq. You have got some fubared values my friend - bordering on 'psychopathic'.
 
Hmm, they hold there even children:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/10/iraq.childdetainees.ap/index.html

"Children held by the U.S. Army at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison included one boy who appeared to be only about 8 years old, the former commander of the prison told investigators, according to a transcript."

Hmm, and innocents:

"Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Walter Wodjakowski, then the No. 2 Army general in Iraq, told her in the summer of 2003 not to release more prisoners, even if they were innocent.

"I don't care if we're holding 15,000 innocent civilians. We're winning the war," Karpinski said Wodjakowski told her. She said she replied: "Not inside the wire, you're not, sir."

Hmm, and "ghosts":

"The Pentagon has acknowledged holding up to 100 "ghost detainees," keeping the prisoners off the books and away from humanitarian investigators from the International Committee of the Red Cross. "
 
Stopped reading your post after this. Fortunatly those terrorist scumbags were pimped as they always are.
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of course you did, your post's are quite condescending ghOst, obviously you support your soldiers, you perhaps support them more when you see some of the horrible things they get upto.. its in your nature to try your best to ignore that , because in your heart it doesnt make you feel any better, or its just pure patriotism over moral's , moral's that should be set by example, and made more important because of the very reasons behind the war.
 
clarky003 said:
of course you did, your post's are quite condescending ghOst, obviously you support your soldiers, you perhaps support them more when you see some of the horrible things they get upto.. its in your nature to try your best to ignore that , because in your heart it doesnt make you feel any better, or its just pure patriotism over moral's , moral's that should be set by example, and made more important because of the very reasons behind the war.
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I know that there are two sides to every conflict. Every war in history has had two sides at home, one who support it, and another who dont. The 'donts' typically find everything distasteful and maximize it, the 'do' side typically find everything good about the soldiers and maximize that. I happen to fall into the latter category. I acknowledge that, as in all war, wrong things happen, but I also acknowlege that I.. well, dont care about how the US army is treating people now, if the insurgents were so hell bent on making a better Iraq they would be assisting us and not making things worse for their fellow citizens.
 
i do agree that theres no need for cheering about it, its sick either way, perhaps you could call it Karma.. instead.
 
Torture and gross neglect aside, I don't think it is ever appropriate to use smileys in the context of war and killing.

It really does imply that you approve of the attack and any resultant deaths- when surely you don't?

Abu Ghraib should be reformed in a manner distinctly different to a mass attack. First the Coalition resort to violence against Saddam, and now the insurgents resort to violence against this infamous facility.

Of course, you could argue that in both cases mere negotiation and investigation failed to produce the results the respective sides craved...
 
It is abhorrent somone would cheer on an attack of any kind.
 
Do I get away with it then since I consider both sides to be totally ****ed up in a variety of different ways?
 
lol talk about your all time backfires, so maybe he does read the fact's, he just happens to forget them. , or chooses to be ignorant of them.. which that bliink pwnage seems to prove.
Do I get away with it then since I consider both sides to be totally ****ed up in a variety of different ways?
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yes, yes you do :afro:
 
Nofuture cheering the death of americans and prisoners?

being killed by terrorists? the same ones that kill innocent children and women on purpose?

you make me sick.
 
yea.. and when the Americans first invaded and bombed the shit out of Iraq no women or children died there none at all..... you see this can easily be turned both ways...
 
CptStern said:
goddam double standards ...some of you hypocrites were cheering on the sniper in this thread:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66515&page=2&pp=15

yet when it's americans that are targeted you scream bloody murder. Seriously some of you need a reality check
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More terrorists died than Americans. I was saying two things 1) this is not a joke and its not appropriate to put smiley faces in a terrorist attack thread and 2) supporting these guys, ie the ex-Baathists and Al Quada who are unhappy they are not in power - is sickening. If you think these guys are there in the interests of the people of Iraq, it is you who needs a reality check. The Iraqi people, voted, overwhelmingly for the Parliament that is in now. They rejected the boycott calls by the terrorists. They went and voted despite the threat of death. These terrorists have no popular support, and are as hated by the Iraqis as they are by right minded people in the West or elsewhere.

Be against US foreign policy all you want - but actively cheering for those who attack US service personnel and commit terrorist atrocities in Iraq (and mostly on Iraqis) - puts someone in what I would call 'the loony fringe'. Even prisoners died in this. But terrorists don't care who they kill - all they want is to be in power again. Either the Baathists want a new Saddam like regime, or Al Quada wants a Taliban theocracy. And they will kill anyone who gets in their way to get it.

Tell me how much influence on US foreign policy the sniper in that thread has, or the MPs at Abu Graihb. And NoFuture has a laugh when they get attacked?

This was not a CounterStrike Map where you get to say at the end of the round 'Yay! We wtfpwnzed yooos!'

And of course we are cheering the US sniper on - we are members of the Allied Coalition. Those are our troops there. We support our countries and their troops. Some of us are not 5th Columnist Traitors - as trendy as this is to be nowadays.

Nofuture cheers for the terrorists. Who needs a reality check?
 
SenorDingDong said:
yea.. and when the Americans first invaded and bombed the shit out of Iraq no women or children died there none at all..... you see this can easily be turned both ways...
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it was not on purpose tho..

even tho its still tragic, the terrorists try to kill these little children, just because it causes more mayhem... there fore , people will blame right back at the US for causing the Mayhem in the first place.

if it wasnt for the terrorists Iraq would be on the highway to a more free country.

see the media should have wrote:

"Terrorists kill/injure abu ghraib prisoners!"..

they went mad when the little few of US mistreated the prisoners, so why dont they go mad at the terrorists when they kill the prisoners! surely thats worse?

you know why.. the media are bias. thats why.
 
So some of you people are actually happy that this happened!?

Talk about double standards! You people applaud this attack by saying its payback for the Americans who tortured prisoners when 12 prisoners were reported injured because of the terrorists actions.
 
CptStern said:
goddam double standards ...some of you hypocrites were cheering on the sniper in this thread:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66515&page=2&pp=15

yet when it's americans that are targeted you scream bloody murder. Seriously some of you need a reality check
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Good job not distinguishing between terrorists and freedom fighters, you have such a nice talent for ignoring the fact...it just shouts "asshole".
 
i realise why everyone is so miffed, but the coalition forces are supposed to be setting an example, its the kind of thing you expect from terrorist's, the basis of the war is to liberate iraq and make sure its not a threat to the american people and economy in the future.. more so the economy because thats what fills their fat wallets....

now you expect coalition soldiers to uphold morals and their belief's because thats what the war is grounded on, but the fact of the matter is some are just as barbarian and out of control through hatred as alot of muslim's.. now subjecting that every single muslim terrorist has any interest in damaging America, or relation to 9/11.. they apply their interrogation techniques which obviously are in breach of human right's because they are conciously or unconciously given the insentive weither it be purposeful or not, of looking for terrorist's that want to hurt the world, because it gives the US governments accusations more credance, which is probably why the government has sanctioned such treatings of detainees, they have no real grounding, every shred of evidence may make the war seem more acceptable within that intial bundle of BS uttered pre-emptly from the very start, but its not going to make it go away.

Last time I checked its not random terrorist's who are supposed to upkeep the human rights act, it the supposed respectable people of 'free' country's.
 
CptStern said:
yet when it's americans that are targeted you scream bloody murder
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you all prove my point ...most of you who are outraged couldnt give 2 shits about the iraqis. You'll justify their deaths at the hands of the coaltion no matter what the circumstances are in always the same manner: deny it happened or failing that, deference of blame

not once have I ever justified a terrorist act


examples of knee-jerk reactions:


dart321 said:
So some of you people are actually happy that this happened!?

Talk about double standards! You people applaud this attack.......
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Foxtrot said:
Good job not distinguishing between terrorists and freedom fighters, you have such a nice talent for ignoring the fact...it just shouts "asshole".
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Calanen said:
These terrorists ....are as hated by the Iraqis as they are by right minded people in the West or elsewhere.

We support our countries and their troops. Some of us are not 5th Columnist Traitors - as trendy as this is to be nowadays.
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second time in as many days that I've been called a "traitor"


Edcrab you're excused cuz you played both sides of the issue :thumbs:

bliink: zing!!! brilliant
 
you all prove my point ...most of you who are outraged couldnt give 2 shits about the iraqis.
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How would you know? Thats just what you would like to believe because it fits in with your spin. And I did not call you a 5th Columnist Traitor - you probably would get the Canadian Freedom Medal for the crap you go on with. What I was saying was, that for people who are from Coalition Countries, to not cheer on our troops or worse to actively cheer the enemy - is 5th Columnist Traitorism. And yes that is trendy today.

So sorry Cpt Stern - you don't get my traitors award. What you say is actually popular where you are from, I understand.
 
Calanen said:
How would you know? Thats just what you would like to believe because it fits in with your spin. And I did not call you a 5th Columnist Traitor - you probably would get the Canadian Freedom Medal for the crap you go on with. What I was saying was, that for people who are from Coalition Countries, to not cheer on our troops or worse to actively cheer the enemy - is 5th Columnist Traitorism. And yes that is trendy today.

So sorry Cpt Stern - you don't get my traitors award. What you say is actually popular where you are from, I understand.
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So it is right to cheer on the troops no matter what?

The German people should have been cheering their soldiers working in Auschwitz?

When does patriotism overrule morality and common sense?

Indefinately, as it appears to be in your case.
 
Calanen said:
How would you know? Thats just what you would like to believe because it fits in with your spin. And I did not call you a 5th Columnist Traitor - you probably would get the Canadian Freedom Medal for the crap you go on with. What I was saying was, that for people who are from Coalition Countries, to not cheer on our troops or worse to actively cheer the enemy - is 5th Columnist Traitorism. And yes that is trendy today.

So sorry Cpt Stern - you don't get my traitors award. What you say is actually popular where you are from, I understand.
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seems to be quite popular where you're from as well:

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see there's this thing called "common sense", which goes hand in hand with the ability to see thru the art of "bullshittery" doled out by the powers that be
 
Pogrom said:
So it is right to cheer on the troops no matter what?
The German people should have been cheering their soldiers working in Auschwitz?
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You talk about 'common sense' and start comparing supporting our soldiers to supporting the SS in concentration camps.

If you cannot see that they are not the same thing, or even close to the same thing, you are beyond redemption. Most people would see what you just said, as entirely lacking in any form of common sense whatsoever.
 
Calanen said:
You talk about 'common sense' and start comparing supporting our soldiers to supporting the SS in concentration camps.

If you cannot see that they are not the same thing, or even close to the same thing, you are beyond redemption. Most people would see what you just said, as entirely lacking in any form of common sense whatsoever.
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But my point still stands.

Are you implying that there is a line at which you will stop supporting the troops?

Because otherwise you come across as a good-little-patriot-with-his-eyes-closed-and-fingers-in-his-ears.
 
Pogrom said:
But my point still stands.
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You had no point. You just used a ridiculous example to say why people should not support our troops.

I'm talking about this situation. These troops. And these countries.

And references to the Third Reich are pointless and irrevelant. But a well worn path for the left to trot out whenever it sees something it does not like.....
 
Calanen said:
You had no point. You just used a ridiculous example to say why people should not support our troops.

I'm talking about this situation. These troops. And these countries.

And references to the Third Reich are pointless and irrevelant. But a well worn path for the left to trot out whenever it sees something it does not like.....
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Very well. You refuse to see the point because you do not like the analogy? That's very specious reasoning. You should be a sophist :thumbs:

Let's try something closer to home, shall we?

Should the Indonesian people have cheered the troops who butchered the East Timorese seperatists?
 
Pogrom said:
Should the Indonesian people have cheered the troops who butchered the East Timorese seperatists?
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Lets see if I can clear up all of your potential ridiculous examples to save some time. Our troops are:

1) Not the Stalinist Red Guard;

2) Not the Third Reich whether the Wehrmarch or the Waffen SS or the Eissatzgrupen or any other agency of the Third Reich;

3) Not the Ku Klux Klan;

4) Not Chairman Maos Revolutionary Guard;

5) Not slave traders in the old South during the Confederacy;

6) Not the PLA during the Tianneman Square massacre, the Indonesians massacring the Timorese or troops in any other masscare.

And all of these and other ridiculous examples are just that, ridiculous examples.

if people want to criticise this administration and this military command they should say why. But they should not cheer on terrorists. And don't blame the troops for being part of a foreign policy decision you don't happen to like - and trot out all this crap about, oh so you'd support the Nazi party wouldn't you? If any troops commit crimes, they should be court martialled and jailed. But because some soldiers commit crimes, does not mean the whole army is bad. The same way, that because some citizens of a country or a race commit crimes, does not mean the whole country or race is bad.

Have the guts to say what you want to say - without all this smoke and mirror garbage about Nazis. The Nazis are dead and gone. They only live on in mainstream imagery because the Left keeps wheeling them out to say that any policy they don't like equals nazism.
 
If the terrorists want to kill themselves off thats fine with me. That result surely will come with a smiley face for me.

Have the guts to say what you want to say - without all this smoke and mirror garbage about Nazis. The Nazis are dead and gone. They only live on in mainstream imagery because the Left keeps wheeling them out to say that any policy they don't like equals nazism.
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Exactly. You just hit the nail on the head. This is one of the largest scaretatics they employ to further their cause.
 
CptStern said:
you all prove my point ...most of you who are outraged couldnt give 2 shits about the iraqis. You'll justify their deaths at the hands of the coaltion no matter what the circumstances are in always the same manner: deny it happened or failing that, deference of blame
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The whole point of my post was to make clear that Iraqis were killed during the attack, yet you have a "well-thats-good-for-America" attitude towards the whole thing regardless of the consequences. Now tell me, how am I not giving a shit about the Iraqis?

Your poor little heart was breaking for the prisoners when Americans were torturing them, yet, when random terrorists attack and kill the prisoners, you're sense of humanity seems to have disappeared a bit. What gives? It's almost like you have an agenda against America or something. :O

I think you're looking for a nice category to put me down in so you can quickly write me off and avoid the main issue.
 
CptStern said:
seems to be quite popular where you're from as well:

see there's this thing called "common sense", which goes hand in hand with the ability to see thru the art of "bullshittery" doled out by the powers that be
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And what's bullshittery Stern? Anything you don't like because you are the sole arbiter of truth in the modern world? Gimme a break.

As for popular - there were protests in the USA. So what. There were protests in Australia. So what. And yet - the Federal Government was voted back in which supported the United States in Australia, and Bush was voted back in the USA. The only poll that counted were the two elections. And the govts that you and yours dont like, got re-elected by the people.

The loudest people in a democracy are not the voice of the people.
 
Stern the war is actually considerably more popular in Australia than it is in your native Canadia, at least by their government. Showing one picture of a protest means nothing.
 
seinfeldrules said:
If the terrorists want to kill themselves off thats fine with me. That result surely will come with a smiley face for me.



Exactly. You just hit the nail on the head. This is one of the largest scaretatics they employ to further their cause.
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Scaretactics? We wouldn't know anything about that would we? By the way seinfeld, what color is the terror chart today? And have those WMDs got us yet? I haven't been keeping up with the news as of late.
 
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