African aid

Yet if we stopped, the governments would be hit hard, leading to anarchy/hostile takeover, and the process would only be repeated again. Man, economics. But I do have to agree, most of the food, ect. that gets shipped out to those countries is recieved by ruling warlords first, who use the starvation to gain advantage over thier enemies.
 
I agree.

I heard Africa has had 8 Marshal plans worth of aid, and they are still floundering about.

Time for a rethink. I heard similar sentiments on the radio the other day.
I still think the USA and EU should limit subsidies to their farmers of corn, etc ...

It wont be the death knell for the farmers i am sure.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1507351.stm
 
Africa doesn't need money, they need a lot more than that, there are so many corrupt governments over there.
 
Ehhh, these forums are going crazy, it was showing like 40 of my above post.
 
MjM said:
I agree.

I heard Africa has had 8 Marshal plans worth of aid, and they are still floundering about.

Time for a rethink. I heard similar sentiments on the radio the other day.
I still think the USA and EU should limit subsidies to their farmers of corn, etc ...

It wont be the death knell for the farmers i am sure.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1507351.stm



The French farmers are the biggest problem.
 
throwing money at the problem isnt going to make it go away when corrupt governments squander our resources on more weapons to kill more people with. its pointless; bush has voiced this, and i agree with it.
 
gh0st said:
throwing money at the problem isnt going to make it go away when corrupt governments squander our resources on more weapons to kill more people with. its pointless; bush has voiced this, and i agree with it.
The same can be said for our country. ;)
 
Tr0n said:
The same can be said for our country. ;)
haha that does seem eerily ironic. at least we arent using it on our own people though.
 
Dag said:
Yet if we stopped, the governments would be hit hard, leading to anarchy/hostile takeover, and the process would only be repeated again. /

And that scenario is different than the current situation in what way?
 
Does anyone know where the Tsuanami funds went? Most went into the pockets of government officials, who bought brand new Audis, while the ordinary people did not recieve any help to rebuild their homes.

If we want to fix poverty in Africa we are going to have to do a lot more than throw money at it.
 
What about the charities that teach them how to fish, farm, write etc. Are they OK?
 
ríomhaire said:
What about the charities that teach them how to fish, farm, write etc. Are they OK?

Yes, but they are few and far between.

If Africa wants to achieve its full potential in the not too far future, coordinated improvement programs will need to be made, basic education for all is a start. Clean water facilities, and free AIDs treatment and also a commitment to fair trade.

I think the G8 is trying to resolve all of these issues, so hopefully vast improvements will be seen, but they will not happen overnight.
 
ríomhaire said:
What about the charities that teach them how to fish, farm, write etc. Are they OK?
Charities like that and organizations like FINCA actually provide services that help and aren't squandered or used as a crutch. They give the people the resources to fend for themselves without spoon-feeding them free aid (causing the person to become dependant on the aid). Actually, FINCA isn't as much a charity in the traditional sense as it is a means for poor people to accomplish things on their own. They give out loans ranging from $50-500 to help people start small businesses in poor areas or just get through a rough time. The psychological difference between charity (pity money) and a loan is huge. Charity implies that you're not good enough to survive on your own. A loan allows you to accept temporary help without losing your self-esteem because you end up giving the money back. Just being able to get that loan also makes the person feel better about themselves because the lender knows/thinks he can be trusted to repay the loan. Trust is an important concept. Oddly enough, even though FINCA loans money to some of the poorest people in third-world countries with no credit whatsoever they still get over 97% of the payments back on-time... which is higher than many banks. Also, less than 14% of the donations get lost in fundraising and administrative costs... meaning over 86% of your donation is put to work. We need more organizations that give people the tools (loans, knowledge, etc) to become self-sufficient. Just throwing free money at the problem won't make it go away.
 
kirovman said:
Does anyone know where the Tsuanami funds went? Most went into the pockets of government officials, who bought brand new Audis, while the ordinary people did not recieve any help to rebuild their homes.

If we want to fix poverty in Africa we are going to have to do a lot more than throw money at it.


Ummmm, most of the money, ... evidence? Cos that was allot of money, and besides a completely different issue.

I pretty much agree with all that has been said in this thread. I mean clearly what we have been doing for the past half century hasnt really worked at all.

I dont fully see how the G8 conference has addressed the issue that were pointed out in the initial article, though it is only one view. But i guess the debt relief will help allot so long as the saved money is not squandered by corrupt rulers. I definately think the African peace keeping force needs to be supported whole heartedly by the west, so all the niggling issues that present them selves all to often through out Africa are sorted quickly, so not to disrupt all the recovery that could be occuring.
 
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