American troops could be coming home soon from Iraq

[dream431ca]

If you listened to the press conference with Bush, he said they will stay until the job is done, meaning that Iraq is a stable democracy....the political media states that with the Democrates in power now and with a new secretary of defence, we would see negotiations very soon and start seeing troops coming home from Iraq.

Also during the press conference Bush was asked if the Iraq war is similar to the Vietnam war; in which Bush responded with some dumb answers like "The troops in Iraq are volunteer troops, and the troops who were involved with Vietnam were not volunteer troops", and he went on about how that made Iraq not like Vietnam.

IMO, the only difference between Vietnam and Iraq, is Iraq is not a jungle.

 

[CptStern]

...I have a $100 bill here that says "not a chance in hell" any takers?

they're there at full strength till at least 2009

 

[Icarusintel]

Ummm... there are plenty of differences between Vietnam and Iraq. Take, for instance, the body count. Vietnam's was measured in 10s of thousands, Iraq's is measured in thousands. Also, Vietnam was a police action and never declared as a war, which Iraq was. Also, actions in Vietnam were based on containment of the "Communist threat", actions in Iraq were based on pre-emptive measures to prevent possible weapons manufacture and proliferation.

Also, here's a good quote I pulled from this CNN article related to this topic.

"The problem for Arabs now is, an American withdrawal (from Iraq) could be a security disaster for the entire region," said Mustafa Alani, an Iraqi analyst for the Gulf Research Center in Dubai. "The Mideast could be left to cope with a disintegrating Iraq mired in civil war, with refugees fleeing a failed state that could become an incubator for terrorism."

 

[Polaris]

Hope their will be home soon, silly Iraq don't deserve their lives. I was supporter of the invasion but now I see it's futile to build demoracy in almost barbarian land.

 

[kirovman]

actions in Iraq were based on pre-emptive measures to prevent possible weapons manufacture and proliferation.

 

[Shakermaker]

...I have a $100 bill here that says "not a chance in hell" any takers?

they're there at full strength till at least 2009

I'll take that bet. The Republicans want to have a president in the White House after Bush jr. In two years from now American forces in Iraq will be at about 80% or less of their current number.

 

[Icarusintel]

Laugh all you want, but I'm using the reasons given.

 

[lePobz]

There's been around 10,000 American deaths in Iraq (up to 100,000 wounded?), and over 50,000 Iraqi deaths in Iraq. How can you say this isn't in the tens of thousands, which ever way you look at it?

edit: Damn site, apparently its 3,000 and not 10,000. Either way, Coalition troops have no right to be there in the first place - and that's why people should draw similarities with Vietnam. Everyone knew Iraq had no WMD, it was all about the oil. Look at a country that does have WMD - N.Korea - what's happening here? Sanctions. Invasions? no. Why? No oil.

 

[Glirk Dient]

If you listened to the press conference with Bush, he said they will stay until the job is done, meaning that Iraq is a stable democracy....the political media states that with the Democrates in power now and with a new secretary of defence, we would see negotiations very soon and start seeing troops coming home from Iraq.

Also during the press conference Bush was asked if the Iraq war is similar to the Vietnam war; in which Bush responded with some dumb answers like "The troops in Iraq are volunteer troops, and the troops who were involved with Vietnam were not volunteer troops", and he went on about how that made Iraq not like Vietnam.

IMO, the only difference between Vietnam and Iraq, is Iraq is not a jungle.

Im not supporting Bush here but there is a MAJOR difference between volunteer and drafted. When soldiers are drafted it adds morality issues. If they are volunteer they have volunteered to be thrown into it and then its their fault they are exposed to the horrible things in war. If they are drafted they have been forced to lose a leg/see horrible images and so on. So there is a big moral difference between drafted and volunteer. However that doesn't make Iraq any better of a mess.

Our troops aren't leaving...ever. We will always have a presence over there.

 

[Neutrino]

I doubt we'll see any major pullout anytime soon.

Hope their will be home soon, silly Iraq don't deserve their lives. I was supporter of the invasion but now I see it's futile to build demoracy in almost barbarian land.

"Barbarian land"? Give me a break. People are people no matter where the live in the world. Yes, there is a lot of violence in Iraq right now but that doesn't change the fact that the majority of people there are just like you and me, with families and jobs...just trying to get by and live their own life. Don't judge a region by a minority of bad apples.

And even a lot of those who don't want us there are probably not nearly the evil people you think them to be. How would you feel if a country bombed the shit out of your neighborhood? There's nothing quite as effective at making life long enemies as killing someone's family and or neighbors.

 

[Icarusintel]

Look at a country that does have WMD - N.Korea - what's happening here? Sanctions. Invasions? no. Why? No oil.

Perhaps you don;t understand the situation in North Korea. Do you realize how many artillery pieces they have pointed at Seoul? South Korea's capital would be completely decimated within a matter of days, if not hours. Also, the problem is that they have WMD and will use them if threatened. The North Koreans aren't stupid. An attack on them will decimate South Korea and cause many problems in the area, especially that of nuclear fallout.

Read this for a better picture


I personally hope it never comes to having to attack North Korea.

 

[lePobz]

South Korea's capital would be completely decimated within a matter of days, if not hours. Also, the problem is that they have WMD and will use them if threatened.

According to Bush and his gang, Saddam had WMD. That's why they were invading in the first place - that was the whole premice of the war (on terror, lol), to look for them. How did they know he didn't have them pointed at Kuwait in the same manner?

Be realistic here, they knew Saddam didn't have anything. That's what sets Iraq apart from N.Korea. They honestly do know that N.Korea has WMD, and that's why they're staying away. That and the fact there's no oil in N.Korea - hence, no need to install a puppet government (which is what has already happened in Afghanistan and Iraq). You can't argue with these facts.

 

[jverne]

it's funny tough...back when the war started, those who said it was because of the oil, were called conspiracy theorist.

i will be soooo laughing my ass off, when data comes out that show 9/11 could be easily prevented or that it was at least highly abused.

 

[Link]

There's been around 10,000 American deaths in Iraq (up to 100,000 wounded?), and over 50,000 Iraqi deaths in Iraq. How can you say this isn't in the tens of thousands, which ever way you look at it?

edit: Damn site, apparently its 3,000 and not 10,000. Either way, Coalition troops have no right to be there in the first place - and that's why people should draw similarities with Vietnam. Everyone knew Iraq had no WMD, it was all about the oil. Look at a country that does have WMD - N.Korea - what's happening here? Sanctions. Invasions? no. Why? No oil.

Just a quick point, and I know your gonna argue, but when saddam chucked the weapon inspectors out, he broke the terms of the surrender from the first gulf war, meaning that it was back on. It was a long time before the second gulf war, but it gave us the right.