An Overunity Device?

[Razor]

http://www.japaninc.com/article.php?articleID=1302&page=1

 

[PvtRyan]

And it's not even Clarky that posted this

 

[Gray Fox]

I still down't believe it, but I'll bump the thread so others with more knowledge about magnetism can view this, and post what they think.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

As far as I can tell, this one isn't supposed to be a generator like that one clarky was going on about. This actually uses electricity to help the magnets keep moving, but uses such a tiny amount that it could save a lot of power.

 

[Gray Fox]

As far as I can tell, this one isn't supposed to be a generator like that one clarky was going on about. This actually uses electricity to help the magnets keep moving, but uses such a tiny amount that it could save a lot of power.

I read there it has an efficiency of 330% , so it is like the devices clarcky posts.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I read there it has an efficiency of 330% , so it is like the devices clarcky posts.

Oh. Well then maybe its more credible than everyone thought If seperate people have been working on it. Still the people that clarky was talking about, seem more than a little dodgy.

 

[Razor]

Oh. Well then maybe its more credible than everyone thought If seperate people have been working on it. Still the people that clarky was talking about, seem more than a little dodgy.

And people were Clarkey an idiot...

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

And people were Clarkey an idiot...

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... Wait I don't understand what you just said.

 

[Absinthe]

Somebody tell me what's so special about this.

 

[Top Secret]

Somebody tell me what's so special about this.

It looks like a plastic engine block.

 

[baxter]

Would like to thing that this is true but view it with sceptism. as stated in the articale you cannot get more power out of a motor than you put in.
Also stated in the articale is that unless you have a alterenating magnetic field you will get what they call "lockup". Repositioning of magnets will not overcome this.
Before anybody slates me I am an electrical engineer.
You never know it could be true but then again pigs could also fly

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Well thats what I mentioned before with the electrical input. They use a small amount of electricity to keep it going past the lockup. I thought that although this wouldn't allow for energy production, it would let you keep it running for very long periods of time, without using nearly as much power as you would with a more conventional motor.

 

[baron insig]

idd however " Although we learned in school that magnets were always bipolar and so magnetically induced motion would always end in a locked state of equilibrium, Minato explains that he has fine-tuned the positioning of the magnets and the timing of pulses to the stators to the point where the repulsion between the rotor and the stator (the fixed outer magnetic ring) is transitory. This creates further motion -- rather than a lockup. (See the sidebar on page 41 for a full explanation). "
Explained here : http://www.japaninc.com/article.php?articleID=1303

its using repulsion not attraction so in stead of it locking in a point it will be pushed away fromt hat point so there cant be a lockup as there will be no attraction so no lockups

i tihnks its a rather clever idea and it is not breaking the laws of phyiscs, well one of newtons laws as energy is not only coming from the electricity but from the magnets themselves
this bloke is oging to be loaded and has probably considerably helped the worlds energy needs jsut think oa amoteorised car which needsa 3rd of the fuel to go as fast as it would have done normally

 

[baxter]

Sorry but putting a small amount of electricity in would not over come the lockup. The magnets need to alternate, i.e. change polarity for the motor to keep spinning.
If it’s true as this article implies by simply repositioning the magnetic you can get a greater output, I'm sorry but it simply is physically impossible.
The reason perpetual motion can never be attained, is down to one simple factor; friction. Air friction and friction in the bearings in any motor force you to put an equal amount if not greater amount of power in than you can ever get out.
It is possible that this motor will run with the new set up, for longer periods but as to whether it will run a washing machine off a 1.5 v battery, sorry I don't think so. :E

 

[Razor]

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... Wait I don't understand what you just said.

Sorry, let me try again....

And people said that Clarkey was an idiot :upstare:

 

[baron insig]

LOCKUPS WONT bea problem because a conventional motor uses attraction this moter uses repulsion in the magnets, its time the same but is the opposite, basically ina conventional motor the thing spins using 2 ploes whihc alternate in polarity using a split ring commutator, and uses attraction to spin it, this motor uses almost the same dsign but incorpoates more than 2 magnets and uses repulsion to spin the thing around

 

[baxter]

AC motors work on the principal of polar repulsion. The windings in the stator and rotor are constantly altered by an ac into the windings of them.
They do not use attraction to spin the rotor. It is irrelevant how many magnets there are, unless they repel the opposite winding the motor will lockup.
We can toss this backwards and forwards but it is impossible to get more power out of a motor than you put in.

If you were to take this motor to its logical conclusion you could simply add more and more inline getting greater and greater outputs, for less. It sounds farcical but can anybody really believe that by putting these motors in series you could actually run the national grid from a 1.5v battery? Sorry but it’s either a wind up or somebody has got their sums wrong.

 

[Razor]

AC motors work on the principal of polar repulsion. The windings in the stator and rotor are constantly altered by an ac into the windings of them.
They do not use attraction to spin the rotor. It is irrelevant how many magnets there are, unless they repel the opposite winding the motor will lockup.
We can toss this backwards and forwards but it is impossible to get more power out of a motor than you put in.

If you were to take this motor to its logical conclusion you could simply add more and more inline getting greater and greater outputs, for less. It sounds farcical but can anybody really believe that by putting these motors in series you could actually run the national grid from a 1.5v battery? Sorry but it’s either a wind up or somebody has got their sums wrong.

Well, he seems to have sold 40,000 units. If you don't want to believe it, then...that is your choice, but if you saw one in the shops and saw them demonstrated on tv, would you then believe it?

 

[baxter]

yes I would but I have yet to see one.

sorry just a quick edit here i would actually go as far as to say I would buy one...........so if anybody can come up with a link where these are on sale please post. Baxter

 

[Maui]

Well, he seems to have sold 40,000 units. If you don't want to believe it, then...that is your choice, but if you saw one in the shops and saw them demonstrated on tv, would you then believe it?

Why do you think you get spam about a pill that will balance the energy of the universe and make the government stop shooting x-rays at you and ruining your life? Because people actually *buy* that bullshit. Just because people have bought it doesn't mean anything man.

Also:
"its using repulsion not attraction so in stead of it locking in a point it will be pushed away fromt hat point so there cant be a lockup as there will be no attraction so no lockups"

That just means that instead of locking up like this: - - -
it will lock up like this: - | -