Another Water Fuel Cell Replication.

[clarky003]

Replicated using the Stanley Meirs patents. Plain tap water is split in Hydrogen and Oxygen (gas) at 0.5 amps input, notice the water itself doesn't boil. Something in the region of 3872 Joules of Hydrogen energy is being made available every minute in the experiment, the rods are cosuming around 360 joules of electrical energy every minute. COP (Coefficiency of performance) is about 9.0 , or 9 times the amount out than inputed.

[YOUTUBE]http://youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw[/YOUTUBE]

 

[theotherguy]

1st law of thermodynamics disagrees.

 

[The Brick]

1st law of thermodynamics disagrees.

Shh don't get clarky going.

 

[clarky003]

There is a very easy way to explain this, a water wheel has a Coefficency of performance of infinity in a constantly flowing river, you just build it and you don't have to put any energy into the system anymore get energy out, the river does the work for you.

Look at your standard heat pump, most of the energy comes from the environment, heat pumps on average have a COP of about 4.0 , 4 x the amount of energy out than you put in because of environmental inputs.

Same with this technology, the pulsed current teases/resonates the atom (at it's frequency) into breaking itself using it's own potential energy so it is inputing the majority of energy into the effect.

This input is environmental, in this case the environmental input is 9 x the amount you input as the user to induce the effect. Quantum systems work just like water wheels and heat pumps, it's just about recognising the source of the environmental energy.

 

[theotherguy]

There is a very easy way to explain this, a water wheel has a Coefficency of performance of infinity in a constantly flowing river, you just build it and you don't have to put any energy into the system anymore get energy out, the river does the work for you.

Look at your standard heat pump, most of the energy comes from the environment, heat pumps on average have a COP of about 4.0 , 4 x the amount of energy out than you put in because of environmental inputs.

Same with this technology, the pulsed current teases/resonates the atom (at it's frequency) into breaking itself using it's own potential energy so it is inputing the majority of energy into the effect.

This input is environmental, in this case the environmental input is 9 x the amount you input as the user to induce the effect. Quantum systems work just like water wheels and heat pumps, it's just about recognising the source of the environmental energy.

I fail to see how a vibrating atom emits 9x the energy that is inputted into it.

The water wheel is gaining energy from gravity, heat pumps from sunlight. The only energy source here is the current running through the water.

Can you show me any reasonable scientific finding documenting this effect? What force is creating the positive energy flow? Is is a Nuclear force? Electromagnetic? Or are you implying that the hydrogen bonds in the water store chemical energy?

Also, if the atoms are resonating at such a rate as to produce a 9fold energy increase, wouldn't they be heating up the water tremendously?

 

[Krynn72]

How come clarky never posts anything funny?

 

[delusional]

am i the only on who finds fizzing water hilarious.

 

[clarky003]

I fail to see how a vibrating atom emits 9x the energy that is inputted into it.

The water wheel is gaining energy from gravity, heat pumps from sunlight. The only energy source here is the current running through the water.

Can you show me any reasonable scientific finding documenting this effect? What force is creating the positive energy flow? Is is a Nuclear force? Electromagnetic? Or are you implying that the hydrogen bonds in the water store chemical energy?

Also, if the atoms are resonating at such a rate as to produce a 9fold energy increase, wouldn't they be heating up the water tremendously?

First of all it's the flow of the water that gives the waterwheel it's impetus primarily not gravity, so I have no idea weither you have missed the point of the river being the environmental energy source, or weither you don't consider environmental inputs as energy conversion inputs, which of course is obserd. But again they are both overunity systems. You just seem unable to grasp that this is how quantum systems work aswell, the charges in space (atoms, particles) do not exist as static amounts in particle physics, they are dynamic.. their energy source is the vacuum which supplies the fleeting virtual particles that keep the electron spinning as so forth. So atoms and everything we see is being created freely from apparently nothing, as we understand it this is the nature of reality, nothing is static, there is a constant replenishing energy flow into the system, we don't put anything into it.

I can only suggest you look into particle physics yourself, every atom is charged and that charge it gains from vacuum is infinite as far as anyone can tell because there is no recordable degredation of the charge in a stable particle.

If you excite that charge momentarily and let it relax back to a natural state and rapidly repeat this process through pulsed DC, the charge, or electron emits a real photon as measurable energy. This is what is contributing to that excess energy, You have to move outside of the 100 year old classical models, we can't afford to swipe anything under the carpet given our lack of ability to put a successful unified theory model together, and is there any wonder when people still think atoms are static objects?.

These kindof technologies need to be taken seriously, there is new science here, and even if people are so brainwashed by what we have already been taught that is no excuse for not recognising what particle physics is unwravelling. The aether/vacuum and it's zero point energy does exist, simple experiments have proven this, and this is what is believed to be triggering the effect, like a glass will break at a certain sound frequency, the atom uses it's own potential energy to break it's own bonds.

You have to understand it's really only explainable through ZPE, the surrounding water doesn't heat up as recorded in these tests. What would explain this if the atoms own energy is being discharged within itself through resonance instead of direct force. Therefore it isn't a type of external heat energy because it's working from within the atom not acting on it from the outside, disrupting it's normal charge supplied from the vacuum. So the change is actually happening with the ZPE levels on a very small scale not the large scale water molecule, hence we see a stream of gases and no boiling of the water.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj5twYOxJaY[/YOUTUBE]

 

[The Brick]

How come clarky never posts anything funny?

What? Look at the UFO documentary he posted. It was terribly hilarious because it was so crappy. It really makes you laugh at people that buy it (read: clarky). I can't argue much with clarky on this one cause I don't know much about quantum physics. But clarky sounds a lot more confident and seeming-to-know-everything more than any scientist I've ever heard about on the subject, which will get me killed from salt-poisoning if I ever take anything from him.

 

[Dan]

Streams of water get their kinetic energy from gravity. They get their gravitational potential energy from evaporating into the sky and they get that energy from the sun. The sun gets its energy from the fusion of hydrogen into helium. Hydrogen got its energy from God. End of story.

 

[bbson john]

Frankly, Clarky, have you ever studied physics?

First, a flowing river will dry out one day if there is no input of energy. Water is not generated from vacuum and flowing towards the sea without a cause. Sun transfers energy, which is generated form nuclear fusion, to water molecules by EM wave. Water gains the energy and vibrates much faster. Then it reduces in density and float onto the sky, becomes a cloud. Then some of the constantly gained heat turns into gravitational potential energy. Then, the clouds transfer some of the energy to other air molecules and become denser, colder. Water molecules from clouds rain down. Some water molecules rain onto high ground. To dissipate the gained potential energy, water flow as a form of river to sea level. That is not vacuum energy responsible in this process at all.

The spin or orbital of an electron DOES NOT require any energy to sustain. That is no stupid vacuum energy which sustains the movement of a particle. According to Newton First Law of Physics. Particles move without any change in velocity when there is no net force. If there is so-called "Vacuum Energy" aiding the movement of electrons or atoms. The ENTIRE UNIVERSE will be instantly turned into a idiotic superheated plasma hell as soon as the universe is formed. Yes, there is net force within an atom. The proton and electron pull each other. That is why electron moves in a spheric orbital instead of a straight line. Yet, there is NO WORK DONE (electron moves perpendicular with the attracting force). Hence, no energy is transferred. And no Vacuum Energy is needed.

The charges is come form neutron, a chargeless particle. Proton and electron comprises neutron. Neutron is intrinsically more energetic then the sum of proton and electron. Thus the origin energy of charges came from neutrons.

Moreover, all the energy of every particles come from the big bang, not vacuum. DO NOT SAY TO ME THAT THE ENERGY OF BIG BANG CAME FROM VACUUM. There is no time, such dimension, at the moment of and before Big Bang. SO THERE IS NO ESSENTIALLY THE WORD "FROM"!

Okay. If you say the aforementioned is classical physics only, then I talk to you about modern physics. First, electron doesn't spin. Spin is only a name. It is a special property. It does not involve any object screwing around. So some particle can turn two rounds before you can see its same face again, like M?bius strip. Therefore, spin has nothing to do with kinetic energy. Just like colour has nothing to do with kinetic energy. Second, aether DOES NOT EXIST. Aether is the dumbest ancient classical physics term. Aether is proved not exist. An experiment in 100 years AGO proved so by measurement the speeds of directional rays of light. So it is YOU who is talking about classical physics. Third, you can by no means extract zero point energy. Zero point energy is the lowest level of energy an object can have. Thus you cannot extract the energy from it and further lower its energy. It is already the lowest! At last, resonance breaks glasses because the accumulation of sound energy. The sound energy accumulates enough in a piece glass (in stead of turning into thermal energy, owing to the relation between the neutral frequency and the sound frequancy) and break it. The modern explanation is similar with a few more additions. The breakage energy is from sound energy.

You are no different from the stubbornest fundamentalists who believe in the omnipresent hands of god. The large-scale perpetual machines or free-energy devices you posted are the most insanely stupid things I have ever conceived. They called themselves modern physics. But instead it is the most old, ancient, obsolete classical physics I have ever seen. They explain every modern physics terms with the classical way, generating easy paradoxes to deceive every 3 year-old baby. I can even deduce I am the God from their so-called "physics". Seriously, EVERY EXISTING ORGANISMS are dumber by reading this thread. Every single individual has their IQ decreases by 15-20 by reading your post. Even the members who post only in politics forum or Half-Life 2 forum are ten times stupider owing to the presence of this thread in this site. There is no way you can redeem yourself. Stop it now, never attempt to post anything again.

Clarky, when you have zero acquaintance with both modern and classical physics. DON'T upbraid others for disagreeing you. You say they are talking about classical physics? Yes, probably. But the physics you are talking about is a hundred times older than theirs. And more importantly, you are WRONG.

 

[clarky003]

But obviously you still don't get it do you, for as long as that river flows you can capture the energy in a usable form without having to input anything, just build the wheel and you have an over unity system water flow converted to EM energy. That is the essence of quantum systems, if you can tap it and transform it into EM energy you can have over unity systems, where the configuration of the machinery allows that energy transformation, with majority energy input from the environment, we are only talking about human input to start that process, nature takes care of the rest. Quite simply the universe is an over unity system in itself, we don't put any energy into the charges and never have.

Unless you want to totally contradict particle physics and the way charges in space exist and work then it's undeniable that when Tesla said it's only a matter of time before we attach our machinery to the very wheel works of nature, and we are beginning to.

 

[Dan]

You are inputting hydrogen to make the river flow. Eventually the sun will run out of hydrogen in a few billion years.

 

[clarky003]

That's exactly where you guys are failing to see the point, this doesn't break any laws of conservation. We as humans don't make stars or put the hydrogen in the star to allow that to happen. I mean you might aswell say with that flawed logic Dan that we/you put the gravity into the star. So, the input into the system is environmental, it's free, hence why some people call all this overunity stuff 'free' energy, it is not perpetual motion, lets say the vacuum keeps our universe going for 500 trillion years, that is not perpetual motion, it's just alot of energy coming from somewhere we don't understand yet.

I'm refering specifically to what humans put into a system, by either turning a crank or fueling a generator. The quantum vacuum is an intrinsic part of nature, we as humans don't have to input anything to keep that going. And all these systems do is unlock or disturb the natural balance of the vacuum atom interaction, the rest of that energy is already there. For instance we use a fraction of the energy that's released in an atom bomb to split the atom itself.

That is an overunity process, nuclear energy is an overunity process, we put alot less into the reaction as humans than we get out of it in electrical energy, the reactions in the sun are COP inifinity because we don't put anything into the natural fusion process.

I don't think I can make it any damn clearer, particle physics allows this to happen, quantum physics needs vacuum to work, it doesn't break any laws whatsoever. It's only a narrow minded view of thermodynamics that has never included quantum or modern particle physics that makes it seem like they are broken. The laws work but they havn't expanded to recognise vacuum/aether as an energetic state that feeds atoms and electron spin with their power to keep going.

You just have to realise that there are ways to get more energy out of a system than you personally have to put into it in terms of human input, and this just so happens to be one that involves the vacuum, or the zero point energy interaction with the atom.

 

[Qonfused]

ITT, over my head.

[edit] In a bed, with some bread.

 

[Dan]

It's funny to imagine your avatar yelling what you are saying. But I still don't believe it. Nothing ever comes of any of these videos, and when they are put to scientific trial they either fail or come up with some excuse not to do it.

 

[clarky003]

Well that's fine, but it's pretty easy to comprehend if you choose to try.

If we are seeing more electrical energy coming out of the process than what human driven input is going in, and is inexplicable for most, then we have an environmental input coming into the system that we don't recognise yet and we need to find it, because that's how science works when it's being done properly, if not then we can all buy wind and solar power generators. But it's difficult for most because we are still stuck on 100 + year old physics models that erronously state vacuum is inert, when particle physics refutes that outdated assumption.

This is why standard electrical engineers and standard text book physics students will be flat out baffled observing this, because the models they have been taught omit the existance of an active vacuum. And when you erronously believe all charges in the universe exist as static/inert then of course your not going to recognise the environmental energy flow of vacuum energy into the system or virtual particles, or how that can be externally affected/manipulated.

It's a complex issue ontop of all this, it has economic changing factors, world changing factors, and controlling interests on this planet won't upsell something like this if it's real because it would put all the power in the peoples hands, and they want to keep you on tap or on the meter so they can charge you for 'a service'.

 

[Kyorisu]

Fusion has economic changing factors. Consume power like a whore so there is a greater demand in the energy market. Damn hippies.

 

[bbson john]

I understand your point, clarky. Extracting vacuum energy is like extraction coal. Vacuum energy is there in the nature and you can extract it. Just like coal and oil is there. You can extract it with ease, whilst gain a billions times of energy to that we spent on extracting the fossil fuel. This sounds reasonable and logical.

Your concept is correct, but I sincerely doubt the mechanics behind the videos you posted. First, what is the form of energy stored in vacuum? I took a brief search on the Internet according to the information provided in the video. The machines either

- convert vibration of molecules into usable energy
or
- extract zero point energy

The first one consist of the extraction of entropy. Entropy is unusable thermal energy. According the Second Law of Thermodynamics, a closed system can only have increasing, or static amount of entropy. That implies entropy, the random vibration of particles, cannot be converted into usable energy of all forms. Laws of Thermodynamics apply on modern physics as well. Therefore, the first one is not feasible.

As for zero point energy, as I had said before, it is the lowest level of energy an object can have. If zero point energy is extracted, the energy of the object will be further lowered, which violates the definition of zero point energy. An object must at least have the an amount of energy, zero point energy. Therefore, zero point energy cannot be extracted.

If there is really vacuum energy, wherein the energy is stored? Within the mass of particles? Within the gravitational field? Within the EM field? Vacuum energy must be stored in somewhere which can be named. If not, "extraction of vacuum energy" is only another term replacing "generation of energy". Violation of conservation of energy is not allowed.

 

[jverne]

Frankly, Clarky, have you ever studied physics?

First, a flowing river will dry out one day if there is no input of energy. Water is not generated from vacuum and flowing towards the sea without a cause. Sun transfers energy, which is generated form nuclear fusion, to water molecules by EM wave. Water gains the energy and vibrates much faster. Then it reduces in density and float onto the sky, becomes a cloud. Then some of the constantly gained heat turns into gravitational potential energy. Then, the clouds transfer some of the energy to other air molecules and become denser, colder. Water molecules from clouds rain down. Some water molecules rain onto high ground. To dissipate the gained potential energy, water flow as a form of river to sea level. That is not vacuum energy responsible in this process at all.

The spin or orbital of an electron DOES NOT require any energy to sustain. That is no stupid vacuum energy which sustains the movement of a particle. According to Newton First Law of Physics. Particles move without any change in velocity when there is no net force. If there is so-called "Vacuum Energy" aiding the movement of electrons or atoms. The ENTIRE UNIVERSE will be instantly turned into a idiotic superheated plasma hell as soon as the universe is formed. Yes, there is net force within an atom. The proton and electron pull each other. That is why electron moves in a spheric orbital instead of a straight line. Yet, there is NO WORK DONE (electron moves perpendicular with the attracting force). Hence, no energy is transferred. And no Vacuum Energy is needed.

The charges is come form neutron, a chargeless particle. Proton and electron comprises neutron. Neutron is intrinsically more energetic then the sum of proton and electron. Thus the origin energy of charges came from neutrons.

Moreover, all the energy of every particles come from the big bang, not vacuum. DO NOT SAY TO ME THAT THE ENERGY OF BIG BANG CAME FROM VACUUM. There is no time, such dimension, at the moment of and before Big Bang. SO THERE IS NO ESSENTIALLY THE WORD "FROM"!

Okay. If you say the aforementioned is classical physics only, then I talk to you about modern physics. First, electron doesn't spin. Spin is only a name. It is a special property. It does not involve any object screwing around. So some particle can turn two rounds before you can see its same face again, like M?bius strip. Therefore, spin has nothing to do with kinetic energy. Just like colour has nothing to do with kinetic energy. Second, aether DOES NOT EXIST. Aether is the dumbest ancient classical physics term. Aether is proved not exist. An experiment in 100 years AGO proved so by measurement the speeds of directional rays of light. So it is YOU who is talking about classical physics. Third, you can by no means extract zero point energy. Zero point energy is the lowest level of energy an object can have. Thus you cannot extract the energy from it and further lower its energy. It is already the lowest! At last, resonance breaks glasses because the accumulation of sound energy. The sound energy accumulates enough in a piece glass (in stead of turning into thermal energy, owing to the relation between the neutral frequency and the sound frequancy) and break it. The modern explanation is similar with a few more additions. The breakage energy is from sound energy.

You are no different from the stubbornest fundamentalists who believe in the omnipresent hands of god. The large-scale perpetual machines or free-energy devices you posted are the most insanely stupid things I have ever conceived. They called themselves modern physics. But instead it is the most old, ancient, obsolete classical physics I have ever seen. They explain every modern physics terms with the classical way, generating easy paradoxes to deceive every 3 year-old baby. I can even deduce I am the God from their so-called "physics". Seriously, EVERY EXISTING ORGANISMS are dumber by reading this thread. Every single individual has their IQ decreases by 15-20 by reading your post. Even the members who post only in politics forum or Half-Life 2 forum are ten times stupider owing to the presence of this thread in this site. There is no way you can redeem yourself. Stop it now, never attempt to post anything again.

Clarky, when you have zero acquaintance with both modern and classical physics. DON'T upbraid others for disagreeing you. You say they are talking about classical physics? Yes, probably. But the physics you are talking about is a hundred times older than theirs. And more importantly, you are WRONG.

dude, that was so enjoying to read! everything seemed to fit nicely together and make some sense.