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I've been noticing allot that when somebody joins the army nowadays, they make a big deal about it like "Oh yeah, i'm so special, gonna do something good for my country!" or "yeah, I know what you're going to say, I don't care if I die, i'm doing something good" or "i'm going to start my life off right!"

Then notice how everybody you know that's already BEEN in the military will tell you "THE MILLITARY IS THE BIGGEST CRAPSTACKIN BUNCH OF BAD DECISION BULLSHIT I EVER MADE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!"

It's pissing me off. Like that thread that Mr. Everybodies going to say i'm going to die but there are lots of good out of combat jobs made (dantewilliams) made. That's EXACTLY what i'm talking about.

Anybody else noticing it?
 
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sinkoman said:
I've been noticing allot that when somebody joins the army nowadays, they make a big deal about it like "Oh yeah, i'm so special, gonna do something good for my country!" or "yeah, I know what you're going to say, I don't care if I die, i'm doing something good" or "i'm going to start my life off right!"

Then notice how everybody you know that's already BEEN in the military will tell you "THE MILLITARY IS THE BIGGEST CRAPSTACKIN BUNCH OF BAD DECISION BULLSHIT I EVER MADE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!"

It's pissing me off. Like that thread that Mr. Everybodies going to say i'm going to die but there are lots of good out of combat jobs made (dantewilliams) made. That's EXACTLY what i'm talking about.

Anybody else noticing it?
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I noticed this too. Although saying "I'm going to start my life off right" isn't really cocky or bad- it's a personal decision to better themselves, but I've DEFINATELY seen people try to pull it out on others like an elitist issue. That's not the norm though. In fact it outcasts them from their peers- and the ones doing it are usually in the rear with the gear rather than in front with the grunts.

For example a former army friend of mine was looking around on myspace at his school's forum, and some kid was bragging SO hard about his joining and how much better he is and all the stuff, and then on his myspace picture, he had his military ID that is a pretty bad violation of opsec. Loose lips sink ships you know?

Anyway, he sent him a pretty stern message letting him know so and in like half an hour it was off. Haha, scared him pretty good.
 
Everbody I know who joined the army(except 1 person my mum who was in the signals) has said it was the worst decision they have ever made. And this was when there was no wars going on.

But yeah, when people act like they are higher than people because they want to go shoot shit up, really get on my nerves.

You are not higher than us because 99% of the time, the people who join the army have crashed out of most things and the army was their only choice.
 
^Ben said:
Everbody I know who joined the army(except 1 person my mum who was in the signals) has said it was the worst decision they have ever made. And this was when there was no wars going on.
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I've never met anyone who regretted it. I've met people who regretted certain decisions they made WITHIN the service (I don't mean like, moral ones but more like "I wish I'd done this career rather than training as this") but none who would take it back if they could.
 
The people I KNOW in the Army and the people I know that were in the Army certainly don't regret it. My brother's wife's brother (brother in law?) flies Blackhawks for the Army and serves with his wife. They're both very happy and are by no means cocky or jerks in any way about it.

His dad was also in the Army and just recently retired. I don't know his exact rank (Colonel I think) but he spent time in combat in Afghanistan bombing in B-52's. and he also spent time planning for nuclear attacks and whatnot later in his career.

In fact, I have met NOBODY like the people you describe and I think they are certainly the exception.
 
AmishSlayer said:
In fact, I have met NOBODY like the people you describe and I think they are certainly the exception.
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QFT they certainly are the exception. They just stand out BADLY when you do finally see one.
 
I had two friends in high school who were pretty hellbent on going into the military - wanted to kick a$$ and all that. Panama ate them for breakfast, but I guess that's how they wanted to go. Everyone else I know who signed up for the military and are now out, are working for minimum wage at low-end jobs. (Well, driving trucks for the state has good benefits). The only person I know who's pretty happy with the military is an old family friend who was a LRRP in Vietnam. He's divorced and raises chickens, but I guess he's happy.
 
I don't want to die for my country, but I want to join the Army (or other branch of the military) because I need the money and I don't have anything better going on. Besides, basic training won't hurt.
 
kelt'ar said:
I don't want to die for my country, but I want to join the Army because I need the money and I don't have anything better going on. Besides, basic training won't hurt.
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See, this guy is humble.
 
Adabiviak said:
I had two friends in high school who were pretty hellbent on going into the military - wanted to kick a$$ and all that. Panama ate them for breakfast, but I guess that's how they wanted to go. Everyone else I know who signed up for the military and are now out, are working for minimum wage at low-end jobs. (Well, driving trucks for the state has good benefits). The only person I know who's pretty happy with the military is an old family friend who was a LRRP in Vietnam. He's divorced and raises chickens, but I guess he's happy.
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Army gives you a lot of training for pretty good jobs, so you're not destined to be in a low end job. Also with it comes security clearances after your term of service is up. Haha this feels weird because in today's threads I must've mentioned him about a million times, but my buddy who's term ended is now a defense contractor working as a civilian system administrator.
 
I believe this happens because there is no requirement to go army in america at a certain age, unlike certain countries. People start to believe they are doing something no one has ever done or something of that sort.
 
A good friend of mine graduated last year. Accepted on full scholarships to four colleges, including Yale. Turned them all down (or postponed them 'till later- I forget which) to become a medic in the army. Everybody said he was crazy, but hell, it was his dream. I haven't heard from him since, I really f*cking hope he's ok...

The point is, he was always humble about it. He knew what he wanted to do from day one, but he never rubbed it in anyone's face. If he makes it back ok, chances are he'll have learned some valuable lessons from the whole experience... but in the long run, I just want him home in one piece.
 
It seems to me that the thread starter is inciting a flame war.
 
NotATool said:
It seems to me that the thread starter is inciting a flame war.
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Well, no not really. Just something i've noticed lately.

And the thread starter has a username.

Tool.

:E
 
It should be that soldiers are more .... respected and given more benefits in society.
 
15357 said:
It should be that soldiers are more .... respected and given more benefits in society.
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Those who have RETURNED yes.

Those who haven't left yet, stfu and wait your turn for respect.
 
sinkoman said:
Those who have RETURNED yes.

Those who haven't left yet, stfu and wait your turn for respect.
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Lol, yeah. But the ones currently doing service/on vacation, too.
 
15357 said:
It should be that soldiers are more .... respected and given more benefits in society.
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Why? Because they CHOSE to go out in the army? Should I get more respect because I CHOSE to go to university and get a job that will ultimatly pay for their wages/equipment?

Sorry, the army is a choice. Just because you want to do that does not make you any more respected than any other member of society.
And what more benefits do you wan't to give them?(I agree permenantly wounded vets should be given more) Heck if you go in for the full service(god knows how many years, but I'm gonna bat a ball park figure and say 20 years) you basically live off my taxes, and live rent free while picking up a nice juicy paycheck. And let's face it, statisticly you are very unlikely to get killed/seriously wounded.
 
^Ben said:
Why? Because they CHOSE to go out in the army? Should I get more respect because I CHOSE to go to university and get a job that will ultimatly pay for their wages/equipment?

Sorry, the army is a choice. Just because you want to do that does not make you any more respected than any other member of society.
And what more benefits do you wan't to give them?(I agree permenantly wounded vets should be given more) Heck if you go in for the full service(god knows how many years, but I'm gonna bat a ball park figure and say 20 years) you basically live off my taxes, and live rent free while picking up a nice juicy paycheck. And let's face it, statisticly you are very unlikely to get killed/seriously wounded.
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Is your name Michael Crook? Jesus Christ you need a reality check.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Is your name Michael Crook? Jesus Christ you need a reality check.
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Skirt round the argument some more please. And I'm not saying **** the troops or cut their wages or anything. I just don't belive they should be put up on a pedestal for a CHOICE they made and get more benefits when they are back in society then the people who decided to work and actually pay their wages.
 
^Ben said:
Skirt round the argument some more please.
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Let's consider your earlier claim that 99% that join the army do so because they crashed out and are left with no other option. You couldn't be further from the truth- pure ignorance to say so. Most join after high school- hardly time to crash out of anything.

Here are the "juicy paychecks" you speak of, too.

http://www.usmilitary.com/Jan2004PayChart.pdf

The only people making juicy money are Generals, and they certainly didn't for years before that.

Like it or not the military is around to protect you. They do deserve the utmost respect for putting their lives and health on the line.

^Ben said:
Skirt round the argument some more please. And I'm not saying **** the troops or cut their wages or anything. I just don't belive they should be put up on a pedestal for a CHOICE they made and get more benefits when they are back in society then the people who decided to work and actually pay their wages.
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I take it you really hate the G.I. Bill Of Rights then? Putting thousands of vets to higher education for their service.
 
My Dad served in the Army, back in the day. He enjoyed it.

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RakuraiTenjin said:
Let's consider your earlier claim that 99% that join the army do so because they crashed out and are left with no other option. You couldn't be further from the truth- pure ignorance to say so. Most join after high school- hardly time to crash out of anything.

Here are the "juicy paychecks" you speak of, too.

http://www.usmilitary.com/Jan2004PayChart.pdf

The only people making juicy money are Generals, and they certainly didn't for years before that.

Like it or not the military is around to protect you. They do deserve the utmost respect for putting their lives and health on the line.


I take it you really hate the G.I. Bill Of Rights then? Putting thousands of vets to higher education for their service.
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Putting words into my mouth :thumbs: Ok let's start off here.

"Let's consider your earlier claim that 99% that join the army do so ..."

Ok that was wrong on my part, but a great deal of people do join the army because it is their last option. I know this from experience. Heck you can even witness it on this forum with some of the posters who want to join the military.

"Here are the "juicy paychecks" you speak of, too."

I should of really put a disclaimer, that I am a UK resident. And the pay for UK troops is very good(My friends starting wage is about 18k, which is higher than I will probably get straight out of university)

"Like it or not the military is around to protect you. They do deserve the utmost respect for putting their lives and health on the line."

I never said don't give them respect, kthx.

"I take it you really hate the G.I. Bill Of Rights then? Putting thousands of vets to higher education for their service."

"And I'm not saying **** the troops or cut their wages or anything. CHOICE they made and get more benefits when they are back in society"

Eh, I should of really clarified that point, I meant nomore than what they are getting at the moment. I am in full support of putting people through higher education when they finish their duty, so instead of going straight on the dole and I having to pay even more money, they can become even better contributors of society.
 
^Ben said:
Putting words into my mouth :thumbs: Ok let's start off here.

"Let's consider your earlier claim that 99% that join the army do so ..."

Ok that was wrong on my part, but a great deal of people do join the army because it is their last option. I know this from experience. Heck you can even witness it on this forum with some of the posters who want to join the military.

"Here are the "juicy paychecks" you speak of, too."

I should of really put a disclaimer, that I am a UK resident. And the pay for UK troops is very good(My friends starting wage is about 18k, which is higher than I will probably get straight out of university)

"Like it or not the military is around to protect you. They do deserve the utmost respect for putting their lives and health on the line."

I never said don't give them respect, kthx.

"I take it you really hate the G.I. Bill Of Rights then? Putting thousands of vets to higher education for their service."

"And I'm not saying **** the troops or cut their wages or anything. CHOICE they made and get more benefits when they are back in society"

Eh, I should of really clarified that point, I meant nomore than what they are getting at the moment. I am in full support of putting people through higher education when they finish their duty, so instead of going straight on the dole and I having to pay even more money, they can become even better contributors of society.
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Then what are you saying? You went from what you were saying before to now "respect them, the wages are too low *here, and they deserve further benefits after their term of service for higher education and living"

Almost a complete 180.
 
Erm, I did not say that I did not respect them in the first place.

Ey ey ey, look at the original comment I respnded to. Which was It should be that soldiers are more .... respected and given more benefits in society.

To which I replied, I think they get enough and they should not get more for a CHOICE that they made. The original comment I was replying to implied that people in the army should be put on some kind of pedestal with all ecompassing benefits.

I was mearly saying why they shouldnt be put on a pedestal, and then you decided to compare me to a dick like Micheal Crook, when I made no such assertions like he does. And I actually advocated in my original post raising benefits for permenantly wounded vets.

You should follow the conversation more carefully, instead of jumping at the chance to get in an argument as soon as someone criticises your precious army.

Fact: The army is a choice.
Fact: The army can be a good choice for some people.
Fact: You live rent free and don't pay for living expenses.
Fact: My tax money pays for that.

Fact: Don't compare people to someone completly different, if I said **** the troops I hope theya ll die and take away every benefit they have and lower their wages, THEN you would have some kind of merit comparing me to Micheal Crook, don;t just bandy around names because someone does not agree with your viewpoint. Next you will be calling me Cindy Sheehan(sp) or Micheal Moore.
 
^Ben said:
Why? Because they CHOSE to go out in the army? Should I get more respect because I CHOSE to go to university and get a job that will ultimatly pay for their wages/equipment?

Sorry, the army is a choice. Just because you want to do that does not make you any more respected than any other member of society.
And what more benefits do you wan't to give them?(I agree permenantly wounded vets should be given more) Heck if you go in for the full service(god knows how many years, but I'm gonna bat a ball park figure and say 20 years) you basically live off my taxes, and live rent free while picking up a nice juicy paycheck. And let's face it, statisticly you are very unlikely to get killed/seriously wounded.
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Yes. Because they chose to join the military, they chose to fight for their nation, and because they chose to do what most others cannot do: sacrifice themselves.

They are the ones that protect the borders, your lives, and most important of all: Capitalism.


Oh wait, I meant 'freedom'.
 
Just be glad joining the army is a choice.

Over here all males get drafted for 2 years when they hit 18. Except me, because I'm going to leave the country, forever (which isn't legal).
 
Why do you guys still think that mostly retards and high school drop outs join the armed forces? You will find people from all walks of life in the military. Harvard and many other elite schools also have ROTC programs you know....
 
I have met far more people who were going to join but didn't and say it's the worst decision they ever made of not joining then the other way around, infact, i have never met anyone who regretted it. I suppose they regret it as they don't know what they're getting themselves in for or choose the wrong job.
 
JellyWorld said:
Just be glad joining the army is a choice.

Over here all males get drafted for 2 years when they hit 18. Except me, because I'm going to leave the country, forever (which isn't legal).
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What if they find you D:
 
Where is Jellyworld from again? Is Jellyworld really a country?
 
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