Batman '89 v. Batman Begins

[operative x]

I grew up with Tim Burton's "Batman" and that Danny Elfmann score still resinates with me, but Begins just nailes the character of Batman and has the superior story. After all, it's based on some of the greatest Batman comics ever written "Frank Miller's Year One, The Longest Holloween, etc."

 

[Que-Ever]

--------------------Batman begins

----------------------------Everything else (Except Pirates of the caribbean)​

 

[DeusExMachina]

After watching Batman Begins, I can't even take '89 Batman seriously anymore. It's become the campy '60s TV show to me. Returns though, was good stuff.

 

[nutcrackr]

Batman begins was awful, I don't know why so many people like it. LOL MICROWAVE WEAPON.

 

[Darkside55]

All I know is, Batman Begins has never danced with the devil in the pale moonlight.

Also, obligatory "lol closeups in fightscenes lol" jab.

 

[smwScott]

Begins was a much better movie, but I recently saw the original and was impressed. It was pretty different, but a decent movie.

I haven't seen Returns yet but I want to. I have however seen parts of the Schumacher movies and ... I just don't understand how that happened.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Don't even bother with the Schumacher movies. Utter trash.

 

[Ludah]

Don't even bother with the Schumacher movies. Utter trash.

The first Batman was by Tim Burton. Schumacher had no involvement.

I voted for '89 because I grew up with it and I just found Keaton to be the better Batman. Begins was good, but it can't hold a candle to the first. Elfman's score was a landmark. Nicholson as the Joker was brilliant. And come on, the Batmobile in Begins was horrendous.

I thought the first had a more persistent darkness to it, most especially with its production and general mood. I feel it will never be topped.

 

[Cormeh]

The immortal Nicolson line for me will always be:

"You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses?"

It's unfair to compare a 17 year old movie to one that has had the benefits of newer technology and newer methods of filmmaking. But all the same I vote Begins.

 

[Asknoone]

Not voting. I thought both were pure awesome.

 

[DeusExMachina]

The first Batman was by Tim Burton. Schumacher had no involvement.

Where did I say otherwise? Schumacher made Forever and Batman and Robin.

 

[operative x]

I voted for '89 because I grew up with it and I just found Keaton to be the better Batman.

Bale was MUCH better than keaton. Keaton was NOTHING like what Bruce is supposed to be. He felt like this weird-40-year-old phsyko who dressed like a bat. Not a troubled playboy millionaire at day and an animalistic crime fighter at night, which Batman IS. I loved how Bale alteast tried to disguise his voice so that those near to him wouldn't recognise his true identity. You would have to be pretty stupid to not realize that Bruce Wayne (Michael Keaton) is actually the Caped Crusader. And also, Batman always felt like "just another" character in those movies. Just another member of the cast, not the main focuse of the movie/story. Batman Begins is superrior imo.

 

[Warbie]

There's no way Begins compares to Batman 89. No way!

It was a good movie, but seriously lacked a decent antagonist - Scarecrow, while a great character, didn't have a large enough roll, and Liam Neeson's character sucked balls. Talk about an anticlimax.

Everything else was all good (Bale did a fine job), and I have high hope for the next intallment (It'll be interesting to see who dares fill the shoes that Jack Nickleson left behind)

//edit - I agree that Keaton was the better Batman.

 

[Asknoone]

Bale was a far better Batman, but I'm going to agree that the film didn't really have a great antagonist.

 

[VictimOfScience]

They were both terrific. Bale was actually the better Batman, but Nicholson's Joker was better than Murphy's Scarecrow or Neeson's Ra's. Both batmobiles rocked for their time too...esp. the tumbler though. :naughty:

 

[Warbie]

I foud Bale to be a little wooden as Batman.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I loved Begins. The fact that it's based on Frank Miller's Batman work makes it all the better in my book. "Year One" was TREMENDOUS.

 

[Direwolf]

I've got to go with Begins. Nothing has ever captured Batman like that. And its good on a level thats beyond a Batman or comic book movie. Instead its just a great movie period.

 

[Warbie]

apart from the ending

.... i'll get my coat

 

[stemot]

Batman 89 hold a place in my heart, since it was the first real Batman film to come out, which was when I was a kid.

Saying that, Batman Begins is obviously a better film, and when I watch Batman 89 I can`t help but think how much the later ones in that series f*cked up the Batman feel.

 

[Asus]

Both are awesome.
'89 - Love Nickleson and that batmobile. I think of this Batman (Keaton) as classic.
Begins - This Batman (Bale) is awesome too. A great batman movie...just a great movie.

But I can't stand the other batman movies. :x
Can you blame me?

 

[A True Canadian]

I haven't seen Returns yet but I want to. I have however seen parts of the Schumacher movies and ... I just don't understand how that happened.

The reason why the Schumacher movies were much lighter and campier was a direct result of Batman Returns. That movie was darker and scarier than the original, and critics mostly hated it because of that. According to Wikipedia, several companies (including McDonalds) pulled movie tie-in toys because the film was so dark and gruesome.

Looking at the movie cover alone tells you just how scary it was (although its pretty tame by todays standards):

Although there are some silly parts, and Christopher Walken's character is perhaps the only villian with a real motive, but I still highly recommend it. It's a great sequel to the '89 Batman, especially when compared to the two Schumacher sequels that followed it.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I think I'm the only one who liked Returns better than the original. It felt more down to Earth and reminded me a bit of Dark Knight Returns.

 

[Warbie]

I think I'm the only one who liked Returns better than the original.

Yup, you're the only one

I loved the first, but hated Returns.

Also, look at the results of this poll you philistines!

 

[Asknoone]

I thought Returns was awesome, and was definately on par with the first.

 

[stemot]

I enjoyed returns too, they went to shit as soon as Robin was brought in, Robin should never, ever, ever be in a movie version of Batman.

I suppose it`s easy to define the good original Batman films because they are the ones with Keaton, anything after that up until Bale is garbage.

 

[Asknoone]

Forever was shite as well really...

 

[Warbie]

I prefered Forever (Riddler and Twoface?) to Returns. The one with Arnie as Mr Freeze (I think) was an absolute crock of poo.

 

[Dalamari]

Batman begins was awful, I don't know why so many people like it. LOL MICROWAVE WEAPON.

LOL THE FORCE, LOL ALIENS COME FROM PLANET CALLED XEN, LOL A HALF SPIDER HALF MAN

It's the nature of the comic book storyline dumbass

Batman 89' is shit, I dunno why a thread was even made

 

[Dr. Freeman]

The reason why the Schumacher movies were much lighter and campier was a direct result of Batman Returns. That movie was darker and scarier than the original, and critics mostly hated it because of that. According to Wikipedia, several companies (including McDonalds) pulled movie tie-in toys because the film was so dark and gruesome.

Looking at the movie cover alone tells you just how scary it was (although its pretty tame by todays standards):

Although there are some silly parts, and Christopher Walken's character is perhaps the only villian with a real motive, but I still highly recommend it. It's a great sequel to the '89 Batman, especially when compared to the two Schumacher sequels that followed it.

your post makes alot of sense from that marketing standpoint you brought up.
but yeah...that toy tie-in thing was invetible and turned the Schumacher movies into giantic piles of steaming shit. :x

 

[operative x]

I thought Returns was the best of the old Batman series. Great acting from the entire cast, great sets, pretty good story too i guess.

 

[Space Farm]

I can't choose between those two movies. I mean come on:
Burton VS Nolan
Nicholson VS Bale

Too hard to choose. All I know is that both these movies beat out any Spiderman or Superman movies.

 

[Parlez]

Easy choice for me. Batman Begins because I have never really watched the older one.

 

[Space Farm]

^ What's the point in voting then? Your logic there is beyond me.

 

[Parlez]

^ What's the point in voting then? Your logic there is beyond me.

To be a part of the HL2.net community. Answer you question? :hmph:

 

[Ludah]

Where did I say otherwise? Schumacher made Forever and Batman and Robin.

Sorry. I thought your post implied Schumacher was involved with the first.

I think I'm the only one who liked Returns better than the original. It felt more down to Earth and reminded me a bit of Dark Knight Returns.

I have my days where I swing between the two. Returns was certainly a darker affair, but its twistedness sometimes clashes with my love for the sort of strage 1950's modernism that was in the first's production values. And the fact that Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman was effin' HAWT in Returns complicates the comparison.

Also, most of the people who voted in this poll are heathens to cinema. It's true.

 

[Asknoone]

I prefered Forever (Riddler and Twoface?) to Returns. The one with Arnie as Mr Freeze (I think) was an absolute crock of poo.

You surely kid?

 

[Warbie]

Not at all. I really couldn't stand Returns - finding it awful in nearly everyway. Don't get me wrong, I didn't think Forever was particularly good either.

 

[Asknoone]

Forever was horrible.

 

[operative x]

You actually liked Forever? That disqualifies you from this discussion.