Best Games of All Time

[Aizawa]

Hi, I wanted to share a video I made, I hope thats okay
I made this just for fun, but I put some effort into it. I hope you like it.
Also I would like to hear what your favorite games are. If you want a full list you can checkout the description of the video.

made with Windows Movie Maker

 

[Lolcomputer]

It certainly feels like you're missing a lot of great games, if these are your only picks. Not saying that your list is bad, but I feel like you're stretching it a lot. Making a list of all of the games that have ever been created, and then list them off is a difficult task on its own.

 

[Aizawa]

I know, but what games are missing you think? Mass Effect 2? Fallout 3? Skyrim? Ocarina of Time? I played a lot of games in my life and I really thought about what to put in the list and what not. Of course its a subjective thing, but there are things in games which you can judge objectivly and those were my focus (the mechanics/level design/storyTELLING), the rest was bonus. I also played some games I never played before I made this list to make sure I played everything, for example The Last of Us, which turned out to be one of the most high quality and best designed games Ive ever played.
Some people might think that Metro 2033 isnt that great, but in my opinion its very underrated and the redux version makes the game SO much better (better than Last Light). Also I am 100% certain that in no list ever you will see Prince of Persia, so underrated.
If you want I can tell you in detail why I put these games into this list and other games not.
But please, I love to talk about games so why you dont tell me what your favorite games are?

 

[Sidedraft]

Wow half life 2 has a really humble logo.

 

[Aizawa]

Wow half life 2 has a really humble logo.

well most of those Logos are from trailers or somewhere, but that "Half-Life 2" is from the intro of the game. Besides, sometimes less is more It has style

 

[Sidedraft]

How come you didnt add transistor?

 

[Aizawa]

well Transistor is a great game. Easily one of the best of this year, but its not one of the best of all time.

 

[Lolcomputer]

Man, I've got so many games on top of my head that I thought you missed.

For an example; Ratchet and Clank, Crash Bandicoot, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, Sly series, Counter Strike, The Command and Conquer series, Hotline Miami, Fallout series (Except BoF), Hitman: Blood Money, I Have No Mouth and I must Scream, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, Diablo 2 and 1, UFO/XCOM series, Worms Ultimate Mayhem, Doom, Quake 3, Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Path of Exile, Far Cry, Jak and Daxter 3, Elder Scrolls 3 and 4, Just Cause 2, Age of Empires 2, GTA Series, Duke Nukem 3D, Serious Sam: The First Encounter, Bully: Scholarship Edition, Sim City, Arma 2, Flashpoint: Operation. Heroes, Might and Magic, Papers Please, Super Meat Boy, Blood Bowl, Torchlight 2, Bastion, Portal, Cave Story+, Company of Heroes, Starcraft, Jamestown, Tyrian, PAYDAY, Awesomenauts, LoL, Dota 2, Warcraft 3, Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, Hearthstone and I could go on.
Edit: I didn't wan't to cover games that we're already covered, btw.

This is what I mean when your stretching your goal a lot. Because your missing a big chunk of gamings history and it's classics, and so am I with this list. Besides, you can't compare different genres with eachother. For an example, Hearthstone vs Counter Strike. You can say what game stays best in it's own general genre, but you can't say best game of all time. (Altough you can rate narrative, composition and aesthetics in a generelistic manner)

 

[Aizawa]

games like Hearthstone or Counter-Strike arent strong contenders for this list anyway in my opinion, because they dont give me these epic/emotional/memorable/dramatic experiences as the other games. Dont get me wrong multiplayer has its own experience, but as art I value singleplayer games higher.
Most of the games you listed are good but are far away from this list. Did you just list your steam library? Need for Speed? Not even the best racing game. Hotline Miami? Well its fun and has a great soundtrack but thats nothing for a best of all time list.
The only games you listed which have potential to be in this list are Starcraft, Company of Heroes, GTA, Doom and maybe Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Warcraft 3 if it wouldnt have so badly aged gameplay. But you list so many average games or good games (not great games) I dont understand what you want to tell me? Payday? Awesomenauts? I played all of them and I think everyone in the world agrees that every game in my list is better than Payday. Super Meat Boy? Sorry, but there are better examples you could give me like Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64 or Galaxy, Mass Effect 2, Baldurs Gate, Max Payne and so on...

Sorry but I have the feeling that your favorite games arent in the list and you are a little bit sad about that. Keep in mind that this is MY list, my opinion. We can discuss about what game should be higher or what game shouldnt be in the list, but saying I cant say what the best games of all time are IN MY OPINION is wrong.
Believe me, I played alot and I dont miss a big chunk of history. History doesnt matter for this list anyway. Only thing is how good a game is. If its old I look if it aged well or not.

 

[Lolcomputer]

games like Hearthstone or Counter-Strike arent strong contenders for this list anyway in my opinion, because they dont give me these epic/great/memorable/dramatic experiences as the other games. Dont get me wrong multiplayer has its own experience, but as art I value singleplayer games higher.
Most of the games you listed are good but are far away from this list. Did you just list your steam library? Need for Speed? Not even the best racing game. Hotline Miami? Well its fun and has a great soundtrack but thats nothing for a best of all time list.
The only games you listed which have potential to be in this list are Starcraft, Company of Heroes, GTA, Doom and maybe Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Warcraft 3 if it wouldnt have so badly aged gameplay. But you list so many average games or good games (not great games) I dont understand what you want to tell me? Payday? Awesomenauts? I played all of them and I think everyone in the world agrees that every game in my list is better than Payday. Super Meat Boy? Sorry, but there are better examples you could give me like Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64 or Galaxy, Mass Effect 2, Baldurs Gate, Max Payne and so on...

Sorry but I have the feeling that your favorite games arent in the list and you are a little bit sad about that. Keep in mind that this is MY list, my opinion. We can discuss about what game should be higher or what game shouldnt be in the list, but saying I cant say what the best games of all time are IN MY OPINION is wrong.
Believe me, I played alot and I dont miss a big chunk of history. History doesnt matter for this list anyway. Only thing is how good a game is. If its old I look if it aged well or not.

This is a perfect time to express my point. You can't compare Super Meat Boy and Super Mario Galaxy 64. The one's a 2D platformer, and the other is a 3D platformer. If you wan't to compare something Mario related to Super Meat Boy, then pick the old ones instead. Super Mario World is a much more similar game to Super Meat Boy, and only then, can you compare two games desgin in a objective and legit manner. Saying that Super Meat Boy is an inferior game to Baldurs Gate, makes no logical sense at all, because their both two completely different games. By then, it only matters what you like the most, and not how good the game was actually designed.

And I could have given you more examples, but I didn't wan't to continue into an enternal list of games. I missed so many classics as I said before, like Pokemon. Btw, Deus Ex have incredibly aged gameplay, yet we see it on the list? I'm not saying it's bad, it's in fact one of my all time favorites. But how can you say that Company of Heroes have aged gameplay then? It was made in 2006, the gameplay is just fine. It's actually quite reminiscent to modern day strategy games. Have you even gotten into Company of Heroes? And old games are still a hell of a lot fun, even if it has aged gameplay.

Again, you can't say something like the series of PAYDAY is shit, and everyone thinks it's shit, when you have a subjective opinion. And I'm pretty sure that 1,67 million people would say otherwise. That's the amount of people that's in the Steam PAYDAY 2 group. And again, I did not say that PAYDAY 2 were better than any of the games you listed, but just that it stands up in it's own category. We wouldn't go anywhere if we mock eachothers game taste, and then saying their own taste is superior to others. I honestly don't care if you don't like PAYDAY 2, but don't class it off just because it didn't interest you.

All I'm saying is that the list should get extended, and not just 10 games. Because there is clearly a lot more to cover.

 

[Aizawa]

????
I never said I dont like Payday.
I never said Company of Heroes has old gameplay.
You CAN compare Super Mario Galaxy to Super Meat Boy. Super Mario Galaxy has much more complex level design, better music, more variety, more depth. The fact that Super Mario 64 or Galaxy is 3D shows alone that it is a far more complex game, because making a 3D platformer enjoyable is it much harder task than a 2D platformer.
And before you say something wrong again, yes I like Super Meat Boy alot.
And only because Payday is good, or Company of Heroes is good (my favorite RTS actually) what does that mean? Nothing.
Deus Ex has aged FPS mechanics maybe, but the rest aged well. Hell, it is so old but has a game with choices which actually do something and thats something even today very few games do well.

And again, I give you an example: Lets compare Company of Heroes to Shadow of Colossus. 2 completely different games. Shadow of Colossus has a huge world which is very empty but that emptiness gives you that feeling of being alone against the incredible task to kill all Colossi. It has a very interesting story which is also connected to how you play the game (I dont want to spoil anything). It has 16 (ok 1 or 2 werent that great) very well designed Colossi in terms of visuals, location and gameplay. Killing a Colossi is a very rewarding and epic moment but also somehow sad, you dont really know why.

Company of Heroes has a good campaign compared to other RTS games, but there isnt really anything memorable, however the game shines in multiplayer with extremely well designed gameplay and maps. Ok you cant say if Company of Heroes gameplay is better than Shadow of Colossus gameplay, but both gameplays are great and both make a lot of fun, so you can compare everything else and there Shadow of Colossus offers so much more than Company of Heroes. A memorable epic game, extremely well designed with a interesting and sometimes emotional story with unique gameplay and a unique world. Company of Heroes is a RTS with very good gameplay and soundtrack, thats it.
Shadow of Colossus is art, Company of Heroes is a game. (I love both)

 

[kineaesth]

Maybe the list should have as many entries as there are games in the world

 

[Lolcomputer]

????
I never said I dont like Payday.
I never said Company of Heroes has old gameplay.
You CAN compare Super Mario Galaxy to Super Meat Boy. Super Mario Galaxy has much more complex level design, better music, more variety, more depth. The fact that Super Mario 64 or Galaxy is 3D shows alone that it is a far more complex game, because making a 3D platformer enjoyable is it much harder task than a 2D platformer.
And before you say something wrong again, yes I like Super Meat Boy alot.
And only because Payday is good, or Company of Heroes is good (my favorite RTS actually) what does that mean? Nothing.
Deus Ex has aged FPS mechanics maybe, but the rest aged well. Hell, it is so old but has a game with choices which actually do something and thats something even today very few games do well.

And again, I give you an example: Lets compare Company of Heroes to Shadow of Colossus. 2 completely different games. Shadow of Colossus has a huge world which is very empty but that emptiness gives you that feeling of being alone against the incredible task to kill all Colossi. It has a very interesting story which is also connected to how you play the game (I dont want to spoil anything). It has 16 (ok 1 or 2 werent that great) very well designed Colossi in terms of visuals, location and gameplay. Killing a Colossi is a very rewarding and epic moment but also somehow sad, you dont really know why.

Company of Heroes has a good campaign compared to other RTS games, but there isnt really anything memorable, however the game shines in multiplayer with extremely well designed gameplay and maps. Ok you cant say if Company of Heroes gameplay is better than Shadow of Colossus gameplay, but both gameplays are great and both make a lot of fun, so you can compare everything else and there Shadow of Colossus offers so much more than Company of Heroes. A memorable epic game, extremely well designed with a interesting and sometimes emotional story with unique gameplay and a unique world. Company of Heroes is a RTS with very good gameplay and soundtrack, thats it.
Shadow of Colossus is art, Company of Heroes is a game. (I love both)

Actually, can I rephrase my agurment? Basically what I mean is, that you like epic and memorable moments, and other people prefer other stuff. So for this list to be objective, you must cover both sides, since you we're trying to list of the best games that have ever existed. As I said in my first post, it's a difficult task in it's own.

Also, about comparing Super Meat Boy and Super Mario 64. Complex level design does not always equal to a good game, or a better designed game. Even if it's hard to pull off, it still doesn't affect the gameplay unless you do it really good. Narrative, composition and aesthetics can be compared, but we're talking about gameplay right?

If we look at it objectively, it can be quite hard to compare two complete different games, because there is a large difference in game mechanics. The more different the games get, the more it depends on personal taste, on whats good or not. Because, you like epic and memorable moments, but then someone else might enjoy the rush of a competetive online game. If you compare Counter-Strike with Shadow of Colussus, then imo, it strictly depends on personal taste, even if there is only a slight difference.

As an example; Super Meat Boy and Super Mario 64 are great games, but they both try and achieve something different. Sure, their both platformers, but the ones 2D and the others 3D, which makes the level design and interface different. Super Meat Boy is a game about failing all the time, and improving your best times. Super Mario 64 on the other hand, is more about an adventure, not as arcade-ish as Super Meat Boy. And saying either one of those are best, is like saying vanilla ice cream is better than chocolate.

 

[Aizawa]

I dont have any special taste. I like every type of game. I play alot of Counter-Strike, Dota 2, sometimes Battlefield. I play many singleplayer games, RTS, FPS, RPG, everything bascialy (except Point & Click).
I never tried to make an objective list, thats impossible anyway, Im not a robot.

"Complex level design does not always equal to a good game"
I know. But in this case it is.

I also have a look at this from the creators perspective. In a game like Metal Gear Solid is a mastermind like Hideo Kojima who put so much thought into everything of his games, and all the other people at Kojima production. Behind super meat boy is just 1 or 2 people who wanted to make a fun game.

The whole time you try to hell me that Its impossible to make this list (or do you?), yet there are so many out there and all of them are different. Thats the thing about art, everyone sees things differently. I myself am certainly not a fanboy and I think I know alot about game design, what makes a good game. Based on that I judged these games and this list came out of that.

Can we please stop this discussion? I wanted to talk about games, not about the meaning of life.

I want to quote TotalBiscuit in his Top Ten 2013 video: "it is the season, to upset the fanboys..."

Watch from 0:15

 

[Lolcomputer]

I dont have any special taste. I like every type of game. I play alot of Counter-Strike, Dota 2, sometimes Battlefield. I play many singleplayer games, RTS, FPS, RPG, everything bascialy (except Point & Click).
I never tried to make an objective list, thats impossible anyway, Im not a robot.

"Complex level design does not always equal to a good game"
I know. But in this case it is.

I also have a look at this from the creators perspective. In a game like Metal Gear Solid is a mastermind like Hideo Kojima who put so much thought into everything of his games, and all the other people at Kojima production. Behind super meat boy is just 1 or 2 people who wanted to make a fun game.

The whole time you try to hell me that Its impossible to make this list (or do you?), yet there are so many out there and all of them are different. Thats the thing about art, everyone sees things differently. I myself am certainly not a fanboy and I think I know alot about game design, what makes a good game. Based on that I judged these games and this list came out of that.

Can we please stop this discussion? I wanted to talk about games, not about the meaning of life.

I want to quote TotalBiscuit in his Top Ten 2013 video: "it is the season, to upset the fanboys..."

Watch from 0:15

Aight, to just end the discussion of no meaning; I'm not upset that these games did not come on the list, it just seems you are trying to create a list that seems very difficult, and I feel like you can't just make the best games of all time with only 10 contributors. All the games you have put in, are wonderfull games, and I have no hatred towards you for not putting other games in the list. But there is so much more depth than just 10 games.
I made some shit agurments that were unclear, but perhaps this should unveil any uncertainty about what I'm trying to say. And everone has a special taste in games. I am 100% sure that there are games that you have played more than others.

Anyways, I guess I can list of my favorite game of all time; Ratchet and Clank 3. It's one of the most solid games on PS2, and one of my all time favorites, and I'd recommend the HD collection for PS3. If anyones unsure of what it is, it's a 3rd person, platformer with lots of guns and enemies, and it's fun to say the least. Also I just started playing Diablo 2 again, and that game have not lost it's spark. It's hell of a lot of fun.

 

[Vegeta897]

Tyrian

 

[Sidedraft]

I'm glad you liked my favorite game, Bioshock, but I feel like all that time of that you kept showing the same ones again you could have put in more.

 

[Mariogamer1231]

CoD4 and SMG aren't here
(Half Life 2 all day every day)

 

[Aizawa]

CoD4 and SMG aren't here
(Half Life 2 all day every day)

Cod 4 is in my top ten FPS on rank 10 maybe, but on this list its maybe rank 30-40
Whats SMG?
edit: judging from your avatar i guess it is Super Mario Galaxy. Yeah I know its a great game, but I never could play any Nintendo game except Ocarina of Time and the very first Super Mario, because I have no Nintendo Console, I only played the more important Nintendo games at my friends (but maybe only 1-2 hours each), so I had to leave out those games unfortunately, but I know that Nintendo is a great developer who really understands what a game is supposed to be rather than trying to make games which are just wannabe movies and I appreciate that alot.

I'm glad you liked my favorite game, Bioshock, but I feel like all that time of that you kept showing the same ones again you could have put in more.

I tried to make every game in the list have the same number of appearances in the video, but that wasnt easy to do because 1. I didnt wanted to spent so much time on cutting the video with shitty movie maker and
2. this video was more supposed to be a compilation of great moments of these games, but Bioshock and Deus Ex have no spectacle moments, more emotional or story moments which you cant show in a video like this, so Bioshock and Deus Ex had 1 less appearence than the rest. Some of the games had 1 more appearance than the rest.

 

[Mariogamer1231]

Cod 4 is in my top ten FPS on rank 10 maybe, but on this list its maybe rank 30-40
Whats SMG?
edit: judging from your avatar i guess it is Super Mario Galaxy. Yeah I know its a great game, but I never could play any Nintendo game except Ocarina of Time and the very first Super Mario, because I have no Nintendo Console, I only played the more important Nintendo games at my friends (but maybe only 1-2 hours each), so I had to leave out those games unfortunately, but I know that Nintendo is a great developer who really understands what a game is supposed to be rather than trying to make games which are just wannabe movies and I appreciate that alot.


I tried to make every game in the list have the same number of appearances in the video, but that wasnt easy to do because 1. I didnt wanted to spent so much time on cutting the video with shitty movie maker and
2. this video was more supposed to be a compilation of great moments of these games, but Bioshock and Deus Ex have no spectacle moments, more emotional or story moments which you cant show in a video like this, so Bioshock and Deus Ex had 1 less appearence than the rest. Some of the games had 1 more appearance than the rest.

Yeah, when I made my steam account, I was a Nintendo fanboy. Now I'm probably a valve-guy. I haven't played many games or genres as a whole, but I have smg, gta 3, cod4/waw, Pokemon red, tf2, portal, CSS, skyrim, gmod, both half life games, and a couple of others up in my favorites list. Yeah I have a pretty generic taste in video games.

 

[Omnomnick]

I've said it a bunch of times on these forums already, but I'll say it again because why the hell not.

Personally, Portal 2 is my "favourite" game of all time, while I believe Half-Life 2 to be Valve's "best" title.

Outside of Valve games:

• Red Dead: Redemption is an amazing game and a personal favourite of mine.
• Twilight Princess is the best Zelda game to date.
• The fourth generation of Pokemon as a whole is absolutely amazing. Game Freak will never again make a Pokemon game ever come close to the standards of Heartgold/SoulSilver.
• I've been really into Telltale Games since the second series of Sam & Max, and I've thoroughly enjoyed both series of The Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us.
• Sonic 3 and Knuckles is the best Sonic game(s) by far, and anyone who says otherwise needs to re-evaluate their life choices. I've replayed through that game so many times.
• Even though this is very closely linked to Valve games, I'll stick it down here anyway because why not. Personally, Garry's Mod will always hold a special place in my heart for bringing me an absolutely ridiculous amount of fun over so many years with various different groups of friends (and for getting me into Half-Life 2 and Valve games).

I might add to this list later or post again.

 

[Wheaties-Of-Doom]

Are we doing personal lists now?

• Ratchet & Clank: Literally the first shoot-y game I've ever played. The gamplay is varied, the humor quirky, and I really wish it wasn't only for Playstaion.
• Shovel Knight: Simple, yet complex. Has made me look back on all the old games I missed by not being born yet.
• Little Big Planet: This one is relatively obscure. Mostly, it sold as the "Kid-y" PS3 game you bought to quiet any young children around the house; yet it had big ambitions. The in-game level editor was wonderfully powerful. I just feel it could have really flourished on PC. sigh.
• Mario Galaxy: Abstract observatory space ship thingy? YES.

Not a very big list. I tried to keep it to games that aren't well known in or are outside of the Steam community. If I think of something else, I'll add it.

 

[Aizawa]

Red Dead Redemption was really good, but it lacked a little bit of variety imo. I guess Rockstar made everything they could and it was a great game (it was one of the most buggy games Ive ever played!), but GTA has more variety. But the ending of Red Dead Redemption really had me even if someone spoiled it to me ...
I like Telltale games too, but Walking Dead season 2 had some stupid stuff in it (fake choices, childish character decisions) and Wolf Among Us was full of characters which I hated (because they were written bad in my opinion).
I tried Gmod but its nothing for me.

Are we doing personal lists now?

yes pls !

I love Ratched & Clank (on PS2, are the PS3 ones worth getting?), I love Shovel Knight, didnt played Little Big Planet and I talked about Mario Galaxy

And Nick, in my opinion, Portal 2 IS the better game. The reason why I put Half-Life 2 higher (well on 1st place) are the episodes, especially episode 2 (I see them as addons). I didnt wanted to have episode 2 alone as first place which would be kinda weird.

One day Ill buy a Wii or WiiU and play all the Nintendo games I missed, probably WiiU because of Bayonetta 2 xD

 

[Lolcomputer]

I love Ratched & Clank (on PS2, are the PS3 ones worth getting?)

I'd recommend Tools of Destruction and A Crack in Times a lot. I'd say that their the most entertaining of the new R&C games, and equally as fun as the old ones. They haven't changed the formula a lot, so theres nothing wrong with the new games, and their just as good as the old ones on PS2. Although they have recieved a lot of criticism from fans, but most of it is just nostalgic overreaction if you ask me. In short, if you liked the old games, then you will like the new games. Take care of buying Quest for Booty though. That game is not the greatest, and I were quite dissapointed when I played that.

 

[Aizawa]

alright Ill do that

 

[Mididda]

I am disgusted by the lack of Point n' click games here. After all, it's a pretty important genre, isn't it ?

My picks are :
- Broken Sword series*
- The Longest Journey & Dreamfall ( <3 )
- almost everything made by LucasArts Studios ( you know; Grim Fandango, Sam & Max, Day of the Tentacle and etc. )
- ANOTHER WORLD ( Seriously ! Why everyone forgets about it ! ;___; )
- the "original" Flashback*
- Blade Runner
- Myst*

Broken Age part 1, TWD & TWAU are really good too, but they're still too "fresh" to be considered "cult classics", at least in my eyes

I think that when I'll have some free time I'll write down all of my "the best of all time" list, now I just have too much going on my head. Literally. ( power of hypochondria people ) Eh, I'll better get another lemon balm tea.


*Haven't played them. .... yet. Most of my knowledge comes from some internet folks who introduced them to me, and I just did more research about them and thought that they were very important, and so here there are. :3

 

[Wheaties-Of-Doom]

I love Ratched & Clank (on PS2, are the PS3 ones worth getting?)

"Nexus" and "Full Frontal Assault / Q-Force (Europe and U.K. name)" were fairly recent short installments. FFA had a series of small-ish open world maps with a protect-your-base-tower-defense aspect thrown in (sorta like "Orcs Must Die"). You can blast through the story mode in an afternoon, but it had a fairly fun online multiplier (the community of which may have deteriorated by now...) to pad it out. The main fault is the weapons in it are pulled from previous games - nothing all that new.

Nexus is more like the "core" games. It's short, but sweet. It does very few things wrong, the planets are varied and beautiful, and the weapons are as fun to use as ever.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

God this is a bit pathetic maybe but right now I think my favorite game is seriously ****ing Sleeping Dogs... still.

Well... actually... The Last of Us.

 

[Aizawa]

Sleeping Dogs is great. A Sleeping Dogs 2 with more Budget and Next-Gen graphics would be awesome, but they are making Triad Wars ....

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

your signature ended up being the opposite of what I thought it was, I love dat sig

 

[Aizawa]

mine? Thanks
I just wrote down what the most annoying thing in the gaming community is.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

yup

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

Better list than most "game journalists" top whatever lists. Simply because they always been stuff from the last 6 years which is ****ing bullshit.

I would take away TLAU (not a top 10), add games like Doom, The Witcher 1, Max Payne and STALKER shadow of chernobyl. That's just me though.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

That probably has something to do with age group. Those are favorites of mine too. However, The Last of Us I genuinely believe is some kind of triumph in gaming. I think it does almost nothing wrong besides maybe overdoing violence sometimes. It's an incredible game.

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

It's a very good game, but I don't think its a masterpiece. It doesn't do anything "new" but that's not a bad thing, it definitely takes nods to games like Resident Evil 4 (which was a big inspiration).

I just would put other games before it, imo.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Yeah I think we just enjoy different kinds of games, which is actually pretty awesome when you think about it. It helps me learn to play other genres and stuff more.

 

[Aizawa]

It's a very good game, but I don't think its a masterpiece. It doesn't do anything "new" but that's not a bad thing, it definitely takes nods to games like Resident Evil 4 (which was a big inspiration).

I just would put other games before it, imo.

you are right it doesnt do much new, but it does everything it does very very good. Its a game which is very close to perfect in my opinion (apart from the friendly NPCs´ AI). But there is one thing it does what other games never achieve to do which is proper Survival gameplay (even Metro which is also in the top 10). In most other games if you are good and manage your resources at some time you will have always enough ammo and items to get through the game. I guess the reason for that is because those games dont have an alternative to combat, but TLOU has stealth mechanics and other stuff like melee is also very effective and even if you are VERY careful about your ammo, you will sometimes still be out of ammo (on higher difficultys). I also like the violence in the game (dont get me wrong), it fits the game unlike the violence in Bioshock Infinite. It also has a unique story in my opinion. And I played The Last of Us like 1 month ago, so I didnt played it at release and hyped myself like everyone else. I saw everyone hyping the game and saying its so good and and with those expectations it still managed to blow my mind!

But I dont want to say that you are wrong, just wanted to explain why I think TLOU is so good. I also thought about putting Max Payne or Doom in, but Doom aged a little bit (though its surprisingly still a lot of fun) and it offers nothing apart from its gameplay, and Max Payne has simple gameplay and aged a little too (which is a lot of fun anyway) but because of that its maybe in my top 20 somewhere (I dont know if Max Payne 1, 2 or 3).
I tried many times to play The Wticher 2 (I thought skip the first one, if I like the second Ill play the first one too), but every time it was boring to me. I dont like the combat system and it has one of the worst tutorials ever made. I guess if I would invest some time into it and get through the harsh beginning then the story would kick in and I would maybe enjoy it, but I dont want to force myself through a game. Same reason I dislike Mass Effect (tried Mass Effect 1 and 3, I know people say 2 is the best).

And finally Stalker is a game I dont enjoy because it focuses on RPG like Fallout 3 so the FPS mechanics suck. They are not as terrible as in Fallout 3 but still not very enjoyable in my opinion. But the RPG mechanics in those games are very good.

Oh and Resident Evil 4 I played for the first time ever just before I made the video, but I was shocked how not scary that game is. People always say the new Resident Evil games suck, because they focus so much on action, but RE4 had NO scary moment in the entire game, but it is a very good game anyway with clunky controls, boring story, very little enemy variety and after some time in the game I had way too much of everything (ammo, health items etc.) and I played on hardest difficulty!!! So the game did its survival part really bad imo. But I like the levels, the puzzles are kinda boring, the weapons are good and there is a nice amount of them. (played the Ultimate HD edition on PC)

Also thank you for liking my list

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

I think Doom was aged like fine wine, all of the wads and source ports keep it fresh.

Personally, I liked the first Witcher's combat despite its bad rep. Switching different witcher stances was fun as **** and the alchemy system was well done. Then there is its mature medieval setting, great writing and characters. I think the biggest issue for is the english voice acting (although Geralt VO is good), but CD Projekt Red was a small dev studio then. The Witcher 2's combat I didn't like as much, too much rolling around and shit. Game felt more consolized.

Every Resident Evil fan that I've heard will say that RE4 started the trend of making the games more about action than survival horror. The genre is kind of dead right now.

I liked STALKER for its atmosphere, and the modding community is fantastic there. I just have a major soft spot for slavic RPG's (that should be a genre).

 

[Aizawa]

oh when game magazines talk about RE4 they always talk about how scary it is and blablabla
And yes Doom can be really modernized with stuff like BrutalDoom but again it offers nothing else apart from its gameplay. Its in my top ten FPS very high though!
Do you think The Witcher 1 is better than 2? Cause most people said 2 is easier to get into and is better in general so I thought I try that.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

I agree The Witcher's combat is pretty shit compared to some industry competitors: Mass Effect 2/3, Kingdoms of Amular, Shadow of Mordor. I get that they're not exactly as depthy as The Witcher, but I don't really give too much of a shit about nitpicky shit like the alchemy system and intense focus on having the exact right spell lined up. AKA I'm kind of lazy, and The Witcher is for gamers who get REALLY INVOLVED with the single-player game. My intention span just isn't that long, so a game like Witcher 1/2/3 never will be my thing, or be on my list.

Is it too much to ask for all that depth... AND COMBAT THAT ISN'T HORRIBLE?!

I prefer largely linear, simple, visceral, action-packed and games that challenge you gradually and avoid punitive mechanics for simple mistakes. Yes, this removes me from the crowd who enjoy the Dark Souls, Demon's Souls games. I just don't like playing them.

That said, I'll play a difficult depth-filled game that is hard as nails to beat (single player) it just can't have shitty gameplay. I think the core gameplay in The Witcher, combat, is just bad.

I generally play those games on the easiest settings, try to get through the horrible combat asap and have more fun watching people react to the stupid shit i say to NPCs. I'd prefer they just left the combat out if it's going to feel like such a joke.

I have more fun watching gamers do Let's Plays of those types of games than playing them myself.

just have a major soft spot for slavic RPG's (that should be a genre)

It is.