Black Hawk Down

[BF2slut]

Buying it tomorrow for dads 60+ inch big screen, and his brand new surround sound system.

It's been awhile since i've seen it, and I never got to watch it with surround sound. :cheese:

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

McKnight is my favorite from that movie.

I got to talk to the real Mike Durant (the pilot captured) in a Bush campaign chat thing one time. Awesome stuff, he's a cool guy.

 

[bliink]

Get saving private ryan too... its good with 5.1 etc.

 

[Recoil]

Yup, BHD is a good movie, got the DVD, too. Gotta love that Fichtner- and Bana-Deltas :E

 

[Dalamari]

I really liked the two support guys that ran around, they added some comedy to the whole thing.

 

[Doppelgofer]

didn't like black hawk down at all...he tried to copy the style of saving private ryan ...and he did manage it but it just ended up boring me

 

[KagePrototype]

didn't like black hawk down at all...he tried to copy the style of saving private ryan ...and he did manage it but it just ended up boring me

Not neccessarily; Saving Private Ryan was a lot more bleak and desperate, while Black Hawk Down has more adrenaline. It's more or less action from the beginning to the end, while SPR only had a couple action scenes.

 

[Pesmerga]

I liked Black Hawk Down very much, one of my favorite movies. And yeah, the two support guys were awesome, although my favorite parts are the crashed pilot defences.

 

[SimonomiS]

McKnight is my favorite from that movie.

I got to talk to the real Mike Durant (the pilot captured) in a Bush campaign chat thing one time. Awesome stuff, he's a cool guy.

Woah, so you actually met him? What did you say?

EDIT: Only read the book version, I've yet to see the film, I've been told its just like Saving Private Ryan but worse. I might rent it or something one day.

 

[Harryz]

Ridley Scott did a brilliant job with BHD. How is it a lot like Saving Private Ryan?

 

[Recoil]

I've been told its just like Saving Private Ryan but worse

As peas taste like apples... don't listen to anything that people say, not even us. You've got to see it yourself. What other people say is just some kind of advise.

 

[Foxtrot]

Those 2 Delta snipers were awesome, the ones that went to the crash site where Durant was.

 

[Absinthe]

There's one thing I didn't like about the movie. It was when Blackburn (I think that was his name) was supposed to **** up and nearly kill himself. But in the movie, they had to make it so he injured himself when he DODGED A MISSLE.

Bleh.

Any way, it was a good film. But nothing too memorable.

 

[Razor]

Woah, so you actually met him? What did you say?

EDIT: Only read the book version, I've yet to see the film, I've been told its just like Saving Private Ryan but worse. I might rent it or something one day.

The book version and the film are two completely different things based on the same event, the book takes a very factual and real look at the events that happened. The film was just pure entertainment losely based off of the events.

I normally love movies like Black Hawk Down but it just seemed so blah to me, got some good action scenes in it but i never got into the movie at all and doesn't come close to other war movies interms of overal quality. I would have to say it is one of Scott's worst movies.

 

[knut]

Killer movie, I love it. The part when McKnight and the driver are leading the convoy down one of the alleys and a RPG smashes the windows and peppers the drivers face with glass made me cringe. And when the other hummvee driver gets the RPG implaled through him, ohhhh shit.

 

[Foxtrot]

Killer movie, I love it. The part when McKnight and the driver are leading the convoy down one of the alleys and a RPG smashes the windows and peppers the drivers face with glass made me cringe. And when the other hummvee driver gets the RPG implaled through him, ohhhh shit.

Ya, makes you wonder how many lives would have been saved if they had tanks :frown:

 

[Razor]

Ya, makes you wonder how many lives would have been saved if they had tanks :frown:

Or an APC. But an APC might be something that would be far to expensive to lose in a situation like Somalia when they're supposed to be "peace keepers".

 

[knut]

All would of gone smoothly if they hadn't lost the first Black Hawk. No, correction, it was going smoothly before they lost the 'copter. The Delta team had the prisoners, all they needed then was to extract the Delta and Ranger teams and wallah.

 

[xLostx]

Never saw all of the movie but with a nice tv and sound system everything is better

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y160/lostx_o/tv0001.jpg <3

 

[Evo]

BHD was a really good movie imo pure and simple.
Savin Private James Francis Ryan from [wherever Ryan lived] kicks BHD's ass so much though it is unbelievable. Shame Uppum (sp?) was such a pussy at that moment, if you've seen it you now the one

 

[Foxtrot]

All would of gone smoothly if they hadn't lost the first Black Hawk. No, correction, it was going smoothly before they lost the 'copter. The Delta team had the prisoners, all they needed then was to extract the Delta and Ranger teams and wallah.

They still would have been shot up in the Humvees though, and that is where most of the Americans died.

 

[SimonomiS]

BHD was a really good movie imo pure and simple.
Savin Private James Francis Ryan from [wherever Ryan lived] kicks BHD's ass so much though it is unbelievable. Shame Uppum (sp?) was such a pussy at that moment, if you've seen it you now the one

Its Upham.

Worst example of that is when Pvt. Mellish gets slowly stabbed to death (I always wince at that part) and hes just outside, and lets him past to get away as well.

 

[bvasgm]

I finally got around to seeing it (SPR) last month. That was the only part that made me cringe....****ing pussy. All he had to do was walk in and shoot him but noooo. Ah well..it's just a movie. Oh yeah, Black Hawk Down's awsome as well.

 

[Direwolf]

Love Black Hawk Down. Read the book too. I think they nailed the facts as well as they can while still making a movie (as opposed to a documentary).

 

[Recoil]

That was the only part that made me cringe....****ing pussy. All he had to do was walk in and shoot him but noooo. Ah well..it's just a movie.

So you think every soldier is a fearless killing machine with no feelings? Riiiight...

 

[jimbo118]

yes i enjoyed it quite a bit as it didnt get bogged down in messages about war and conflict(not that i dont mind that ala the thin red line etc) but was simply about a seriously ****ed up mission that went terribly wrong and about a group of guys trying to save each other, its the best combat movie i've seen tbh, towards the end it got a bit sentimental and overly 'hollywood' heroic but i thought banas character summed it up quite well, ''they just wont understand'' or however he phrased it.

the book is better tbh and better analysis on it, particurly in relation to the somalis who are reprsented as a screaming wild rabble in the film largely.

the amount of somalis killed was quite shocking too, they give a figure at the films ends.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/hawk-f19.shtml

interesting article on it

To get that kind of co-operation Scott had to allow the military a veto over every aspect of the film. As a result, Black Hawk Down is not a genuine artistic exploration of the experience of US intervention in Somalia, but a blatant glorification of US militarism

.

 

[Pesmerga]

Don't get me started on the mental affects of war. It's one of those things that you simply can not assume reactions from, and you've got no right to insult either side for their behavior.

 

[Razor]

So you think every soldier is a fearless killing machine with no feelings? Riiiight...

Not every soldier is a killing machine, but i would of thought that every soldier at least has the aspiration to help his buddies get home to their families. People like that should not be in a war, full stop, ever.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Blackhawk down, lovely film. Maybe not as good as Alien. Or Blade Runner. Or Gladiator. But good.

An interesting story related to that is the time when, in Somalia, a Littlebird was deploying four deltas onto a not-very-wide road. So much brownout they couldn't see the ground for the dust, and no idea exactly how high they are. Pilot doesn't want to go any lower so the deltas kick their fast-ropes and rappell the rest of the way. The rest of the way turns out to be around 2 feet - shortest fast-rope ever and one of the guys broke his ankle.

 

[SimonomiS]

Blackhawk down, lovely film. Maybe not as good as Alien. Or Blade Runner. Or Gladiator. But good.

An interesting story related to that is the time when, in Somalia, a Littlebird was deploying four deltas onto a not-very-wide road. So much brownout they couldn't see the ground for the dust, and no idea exactly how high they are. Pilot doesn't want to go any lower so the deltas kick their fast-ropes and rappell the rest of the way. The rest of the way turns out to be around 2 feet - shortest fast-rope ever and one of the guys broke his ankle.

Doesn't one of the guys on the ropes slip and fall the rest of the way down? I'm sure I remember reading that.

My dad thinks most war films are just glorified American propaganda, Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbour etc. Although he likes Saving Private Ryan.

On the subject of Upham, perhaps he was conscripted?

People like that should not be in a war, full stop, ever.

Would explain that even if he wasn't fit to be there, he had to. I'm sure he was just a translator as well, only fired a gun in basic training. Reminds me of when you first see him and how much of a klutz he is.

 

[knut]

They still would have been shot up in the Humvees though, and that is where most of the Americans died.

The humvees were outta' there when they got the militia-leaders. Yeah, alot died then, but most of them died because the humvees had to return to get to the crash sites, only they had problems with maps on getting to the crash sites. The humvees already had a 'safe' way out because they exit back to the HQ through it once or twice.

Doesn't one of the guys on the ropes slip and fall the rest of the way down? I'm sure I remember reading that.

Blackburn, he's about to rope in when a RPG is fired at the 'Hawk and it has to evade the missile. As it does this Blackburn loses balance/grip and falls from the side hatch.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

McKnight and Hoot are my favorite soldiers in the movie.

"Hoot": Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window.

"Hoot": When I get home people 'll ask me, "Hey Hoot, why do ya do it man? Why? Just some war junkie?" Ya know what I'll say? I won't say a goddamn word. Why? They won't understand. They won't understand why we do it. They won't understand that it's about the men next to you, and that's it. That's all it is.

Dominick Pilla: Colonel! Colonel! They're shooting at us!
McKnight: Well shoot back!

McKnight: You, get up there and drive!
Othic: But I'm shot Colonel!
McKnight: Everybody's shot! We need the prisoners, let's go!

[after the briefing]
Matthews: What's the matter Danny? Something you don't like?
McKnight: No Specter gunships, daylight instead of night... late afternoon when they're all ****ed up on Khat, only part of the city Aidid can mount a serious counter-attack on short notice...
[chuckles]
McKnight: What's not to like?
Harell: Life's imperfect!
McKnight: Yeah, for you two, circling above it at 500 feet it's imperfect. Down in the street, it's unforgiving.

Atto: You shouldn't have come here. This is a civil war. This is our war, not yours.
General Garrison: 300,000 dead and counting. That's not a war Mr. Atto. That's genocide.

 

[Recoil]

I think it's the only movie with Tom Sizemore I know in which his character doesn't die, btw.

 

[Direwolf]

To get that kind of co-operation Scott had to allow the military a veto over every aspect of the film. As a result, Black Hawk Down is not a genuine artistic exploration of the experience of US intervention in Somalia, but a blatant glorification of US militarism.

While this was a concern at the time, Scott and everyone involved with the movie were absolutely astounded by how cooperative the military was with the shooting of the movie. The units they worked with were many of the same as in the actual film (including the Nightstalkers). After the last day of shooting the military-necessary sequences in the movie, many of the cast and crew woke up to find a note slipped under their door, instructing them to tell the story of their comrades well and with justice.

 

[Pesmerga]

There's nothing wrong with a little patriotic glorification. As far as I know, there are no blatant lies in the movie, and the casualties and fatalities are all as they were.

It was a great movie, I loved it, maybe more than some people here because I didn't spend those hours picking at its "wrong doings".