Blind woman's 'Unclean' guide dog banned by Muslim cab driver

[Nemesis6]

A Muslim minicab driver refused to take a blind passenger because her guide dog was "unclean".

Abdul Rasheed Majekodumni told Jane Vernon she could not get into his car with the dog because of his religion.

Islamic tradition warns Muslims against contact with dogs because they are seen as impure.

The case emerged as Jack Straw was embroiled in a controversy over Muslim women wearing veils and the row continued after a Muslim police officer was excused guard duty at the Israeli embassy. Today Mrs Vernon, 39, from Hammersmith, said: "This experience was very upsetting.

"I was tired and cold and just wanted to get home but this driver made me feel like I was a second-class citizen, like I didn't count at all."

Mrs Vernon, who works as a legal officer for the Royal National Institute for the Blind, added: "The owner of the minicab firm, Niven Sinclair, was also very insensitive, telling me that what had happened to me wasn't really very important, and I should have more respect for other people's culture. They have shown very little respect for my rights as a disabled person and have never once offered me an apology."

Niven's and Co cab company, is contracted by the BBC and the minicab was sent to take her home from a studio after she was invited to appear on News 24.

The driver's refusal resulted in a court case because the law requires all licensed cab drivers to carry guide dogs. Magistrates at Marylebone fined Mr Majekodumni £200 and ordered him to pay £1,200 for failing to comply with regulations set out under the Disability Discrimination Act. After the case Mr Majekodunmi remained defiant and insisted that he would continue refusing passengers accompanied by guide dogs.

Bill Alker, who works with Mrs Vernon at the RNIB supporting other victims of discrimination, said: "Jane and I have worked together for about 16 months advising and supporting people who have suffered the same crime.

"It is absolutely wrong and must stop. Many drivers, cab company operators and the authorities that provide licences are together flouting a good law that was introduced to help blind and partially sighted people get about more independently."

Read the rest of the article here - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...cle_id=408912&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770

 

[Solaris]

If you're unwilling to let a guide dog in your car, don't be a taxi driver.

 

[Raziaar]

That's right. Leave the damned profession if you're going to be a jackass to people who don't deserve it.

 

[gick]

What a retard.

 

[Core407]

I think Muslims have taken the giant pussy crown a good 5 years and running now.

 

[15357]

I think Mecha was right. Religous people are well, idiots.

 

[hasan]

and this kind of stuff goes to newspapers because??!

Yesterday my supervisor yelled at me. I want the Daily Mirror to publish my report about it.

 

[Stigmata]

and this kind of stuff goes to newspapers because??!

Yesterday my supervisor yelled at me. I want the Daily Mirror to publish my report about it.

Yesterday, somebody's supervisor yelled at him, and we don't know why yet.

Yesterday, a blind woman with a guide dog was illegally refused entry into a cab due to the driver's religious convictions.

:dozey:

 

[DeusExMachina]

In other news, North Korea wages a secret war on the rest of Asia.

But, this woman's plight is far more important.

 

[kirovman]

I guess he didn't see that one coming. Hohoho.

 

[15357]

In other news, North Korea wages a secret war on the rest of Asia.

But, this woman's plight is far more important.

Kim Jong-Il actually said today: "The world is our enemy"

 

[Solaris]

I think Muslims have taken the giant pussy crown a good 5 years and running now.

Its got nothing to do with Muslims. Its one Muslim man, loads of Muslim taxi drivers let dogs on their vechicles.

 

[Saketi]

Its got nothing to do with Muslims. Its one Muslim man, loads of Muslim taxi drivers let dogs on their vechicles.

so when the taxi driver said that religion was a unpure animal was he lying or are all muslims unclear to what they have to & have not to do on their religion?

I'm sure they makeup new excuses everytime they dislike to somerting in our society. And because we know little about them & their religion, they get awau with half of the things as we are classed as racist, boohoo.

 

[Solaris]

so when the taxi driver said that religion was a unpure animal was he lying or are all muslims unclear to what they have to & have not to do on their religion?

Error. Re-read, re-write, punctuate and you will have formed a coherent sentence.

I'm sure they makeup new excuses everytime they dislike to somerting in our society.

Don't be so ignorant. That is not the case, have you got any evidence for this?

And because we know little about them & their religion, they get awau with half of the things as we are classed as racist, boohoo.

What do you mean 'get awau with'? The bloke was fined 1000+pounds for jesus sake.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Kim Jong-Il actually said today: "The world is our enemy"

Leave it to the leader of North Korea to actually make my statement correct.

 

[Nemesis6]

The part I like best about this whole thing is how the owner of the company basically told her to shove it, in other words telling her to "have more respect for other people's culture". I mean you can shoot yourself in the foot, but it takes a special kind of dork to reload the gun and shoot out one's kneecaps afterwards.

I wonder where all the those extremist groups stand on this. You know, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, etc. I would really love their take on this affair. Just for the sake of comedy.

 

[kirovman]

What do you mean 'get awau with'? The bloke was fined 1000+pounds for jesus sake.

I think he meant that he wasn't castrated, and given the death penalty. Hence getting awau with it.

 

[Nih]

so when the taxi driver said that religion was a unpure animal was he lying or are all muslims unclear to what they have to & have not to do on their religion?

I'm sure they makeup new excuses everytime they dislike to somerting in our society. And because we know little about them & their religion, they get awau with half of the things as we are classed as racist, boohoo.

Like all christians, muslims pick and choose what parts of their holy book they like. That's religion for ya.

 

[Saketi]

Like all christians, muslims pick and choose what parts of their holy book they like. That's religion for ya.

I'm glad someone understood my input, Solaris has always had a problem with my puntuaation & spelling.

I'd agree with him if i was writing a essay or report for work, but im not, its a bloody forum..relax man!

 

[repiV]

In other news, North Korea wages a secret war on the rest of Asia.

But, this woman's plight is far more important.

This story is important, as it yet again illustrates the Muslim problem of unwillingness to integrate within our society, even contemptuous disregard of the very people that allow them to live here and improve their lives.
Fortunately it seems people are beginning to wake up to this problem.

 

[Solaris]

The part I like best about this whole thing is how the owner of the company basically told her to shove it, in other words telling her to "have more respect for other people's culture". I mean you can shoot yourself in the foot, but it takes a special kind of dork to reload the gun and shoot out one's kneecaps afterwards.

Yes, both people were twats.

I wonder where all the those extremist groups stand on this. You know, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, etc. I would really love their take on this affair. Just for the sake of comedy.

Why should they have to comment? 2 Muslims broke the law, why must the whole ****ing Muslim society of Britian condem anything a Muslim do thats wrong. Fact christians commit more crime in britian than Muslims, do the church condem the acts of these Christians? No. Becuase just like that taxi man, these people are not official representatives of their religions.

This story is important, as it yet again illustrates the Muslim problem of unwillingness to integrate within our society,

No its a one-off event.

 

[repiV]

Yes, both people were twats.
Why should they have to comment? 2 Muslims broke the law, why must the whole ****ing Muslim society of Britian condem anything a Muslim do thats wrong. Fact christians commit more crime in britian than Muslims, do the church condem the acts of these Christians? No. Becuase just like that taxi man, these people are not official representatives of their religions.


No its a one-off event.

No shit, brainiac. The systematic and continuous arrogant disregard for our culture and way of life, and attempts to turn Britain into an Islamic state (not to mention the terrorism and support of terrorism) is not a one-off event but a very real concern.
A mere 2-3% of the population, but they cause more problems than all other sections of society put together. Fit in or **** off. This country is more tolerant of fundamentalist Islam than some Muslim countries are. It's completely absurd.

 

[Solaris]

No shit, brainiac. The systematic and continuous arrogant disregard for our culture and way of life, and attempts to turn Britain into an Islamic state (not to mention the terrorism and support of terrorism) is not a one-off event but a very real concern.

By whom? How much evidence you you have to make such a statement?
How many people want such things?

A mere 2-3% of the population, but they cause more problems than all other sections of society put together. Fit in or **** off. This country is more tolerant of fundamentalist Islam than some Muslim countries are. It's completely absurd.

Tell me, you just said Muslims cause more problems than anyone else? Got any evidence to back up such an ignorant statement?
No, you don't becuase its bullshit.

 

[UltraProAnti]

i think we should give in to these people and ban muslim women from driving

 

[repiV]

By whom? How much evidence you you have to make such a statement?

Plenty. It's on the news, every goddamn day. An enormous mosque, the largest place of worship in the world, visible from space, holding 70,000 people, due to be built next to the Olympic Stadium, funded by Saudi blood money and by extension the Wahabi sect of Islam. An alien monument to violence and oppression in the heart of our capital city, funded by a nation that allows no religious freedom. Simply wonderful.

How many people want such things?

Approximately half a million British Muslims consider the 7/7 bombers to be martyrs. Using that figure as a yardstick, you can be sure a lot more than that "want such things".

Tell me, you just said Muslims cause more problems than anyone else? Got any evidence to back up such an ignorant statement?
No, you don't becuase its bullshit.

Were you asleep on 9/11, 7/7, through all those terror plots and homegrown terrorist cells and schools?
Through the constant Muslim whining up to death threats whenever something doesn't go their way?
"The Pope called us murderers! Infidel! Let's go commit murder! That'll teach him!"
And whenever I see little girls wearing the full Islamic dress and veil, and more often than not, speaking Arabic, it makes me want to puke. I see that with fair regularity.
There is no other group of people in this country that poses a real threat to our way of life, our cultural integrity, our freedom of speech, our values, and even our very survival.
You're little better than a collaborator. In fact, knowing you, you probably consider Osama Bin Laden a "freedom fighter"...

 

[repiV]

i think we should give in to these people and ban muslim women from driving

 

[Solaris]

Plenty. It's on the news, every goddamn day. An enormous mosque, the largest place of worship in the world, visible from space, holding 70,000 people, due to be built next to the Olympic Stadium, funded by Saudi blood money and by extension the Wahabi sect of Islam. An alien monument to violence and oppression in the heart of our capital city, funded by a nation that allows no religious freedom. Simply wonderful.

So? The people who pay for it do not represent the people inside it.

Approximately half a million British Muslims consider the 7/7 bombers to be martyrs. Using that figure as a yardstick, you can be sure a lot more than that "want such things".

Says who? Your mum? The press? The police? Or did you just pull that out your arse?

Were you asleep on 9/11, 7/7, through all those terror plots and homegrown terrorist cells and schools?
Through the constant Muslim whining up to death threats whenever something doesn't go their way?
"The Pope called us murderers! Infidel! Let's go commit murder! That'll teach him!"

Minorities, any evidence that the majority hold this view?

And whenever I see little girls wearing the full Islamic dress and veil, and more often than not, speaking Arabic, it makes me want to puke. I see that with fair regularity.

Then you're a goddamn racist.

There is no other group of people in this country that poses a real threat to our way of life, our cultural integrity, our freedom of speech, our values, and even our very survival.

No evidence presented.

You're little better than a collaborator. In fact, knowing you, you probably consider Osama Bin Laden a "freedom fighter"...

Nope.

 

[Saketi]

repiV well said..we need to satnd up these people once & for all, we have suffered to long in silence.

 

[Saketi]

Then you're a goddamn racist.

So he is racist for his views?

Yet again we are been told what we can & cannot say about Muslims, earlier on the news i heard them say they like freedom of speach & freedom to critize their religion, but Solaris completly disagrees with this..r u muslim?

Can we say Muslims are racist towards white people, can we fukers like, were always the racist in our own country.

 

[repiV]

So? The people who pay for it do not represent the people inside it.

Yeah, right. The Saudis are just doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, and aren't going to take the opportunity to convert Western infidels to their cause. Such naivete.

Says who? Your mum? The press? The police? Or did you just pull that out your arse?

Says the BBC.

Minorities, any evidence that the majority hold this view?

Is there any evidence that they don't? Between the riots, the protests, the murders, the terrorist acts, and the constant barrage of "Muslim outrages" about freedom of speech and other aspects of our society not to their liking, and the corresponding deathly silence regarding Islamic extremism, I'd say it's likely the idea of the "moderate majority" is nothing more than a fallacy.
By the way, have you ever read the Qu'ran? And did you know Mohammed was a rapist, a child molestor, a murderer, a thief and a terrorist?

Then you're a goddamn racist.

No, fool. Islam is not a race, it's a political/religious entity. I don't have an intense dislike for Muslims because of their skin colour (which could be white, black, brown, or green for all I care), it's because of their abhorrent 11th-century value system, arrogance, ignorance, hypocrisy, totalitarian leanings, intolerance, the fact that they are a threat to us, and generally the fact that they oppose everything that we stand for.
If you think that's got anything to do with racism, you really are even more of an idiot than I thought.

No evidence presented.

Open your stupid ignorant eyes, and you will find the evidence you seek.

Nope.

 

[pomegranate]

Saketi and ripeV, I'd rather live with 1000 typical Muslims that quietly get on with their lives like anyone else, than you pair, or two of anyone like you.
It's intolerant idiots like you two that stir up hatred on both sides that are the real threat to peace and stability.

For instance:

we have suffered to long in silence.

Suffered how, exactly?

 

[Saketi]

Saketi and ripeV, I'd rather live with 1000 typical Muslims that quietly get on with their lives like anyone else, than you pair, or two of anyone like you.
It's intolerant idiots like you two that stir up hatred on both sides that are the real threat to peace and stability.

You make me laugh, am i the one saying i want to kill myself in the name of Allah..NO! So how can i stir up hatred amungst the community?

Am i the one who goes round burning flags of the UK (the country that helps them) & America & shouting and holding up boards of hatred, with sickning words on them?

NO, the muslims do..so open ur eyes & see who is the threat pal!

Suffered how, exactly?

well done jack straw, when in rome do as the romans do. if we visited a muslim country we would have to adhere to the rule of the land so why is it not the same in britain ! people have to remove hoods hats & helmets when entering stores so why not veils. it is about time someone took the same approach as france & australia these people can come to our country but only if they want to live the british way !!!!

 

[repiV]

Saketi and ripeV, I'd rather live with 1000 typical Muslims that quietly get on with their lives like anyone else, than you pair, or two of anyone like you.
It's intolerant idiots like you two that stir up hatred on both sides that are the real threat to peace and stability.

Please don't compare me to Saketi. I'm not some fool that votes for the ****ing BNP, I just see what's really going on here. You've been so brainwashed by the PC brigade that everything has to be the fault of ol' Whitey and Muslims are all peace-loving people who contribute lots to our society - no matter WHAT the evidence says.
Also, calling me intolerant is pretty hilarious - considering the primary cause of these problems is in fact Muslim intolerance. You're so tolerant you tolerate intolerance, eh? As long as the people responsible for the intolerance are foreign, of course.
You are the idiot here, for you will lead us into dhimmitude and you will do so willingly.
By the way, you have unknowingly highlighted the issue your very self. You referred to there being "sides". A properly functioning society has no "sides", it is a whole. Oops.

For instance:

Suffered how, exactly?

Why don't you ask two of my best friends - both immigrants, in fact - who nearly died in the tube bombings how they suffered?
Why don't you ask journalists that are in hiding and in fear of their lives for criticising Islam?
Jesus...open your damn eyes. What an inane and ignorant question. You truly amaze me.

 

[Stigmata]

Open your stupid ignorant eyes, and you will find the evidence you seek.

Or you could find your own evidence, and at the same time make yourself seem credible. If you can't find any sources to back you up, then all you have is an inherently subjective opinion.

With this statement, you're really tearing yourself apart. You are:

• Coming off as unnecessarily condescending
• Not providing any evidence to back up your claims
• Arbitrarily claiming that the evidence DOES exist, implying that we should trust you on nothing but your word
• Attacking Solaris' character - to paraphrase logical fallacy definitions, this argumentative technique is "terrible" and "does not prove anything" other than your lack of rhetorical power

Honestly. "Says the BBC" doesn't tell us anything. At all. Link us somewhere, copy a (dated and credited!) article, or we have no choice but to assume you're pulling everything you say out of thin air.

Care for me to list all your argumentative flaws? Too bad, I'm doing it anyway.

Such naivete. ... No, fool. ... you really are even more of an idiot than I thought. ... Open your stupid ignorant eyes

You know what these phrases say about you? They say "My argument is so weak that I have to resort to personal attacks, which have nothing at all to do with the issue at hand." These are also known as AD HOMINEM ATTACKS, one of many LOGICAL FALLACIES.

Is there any evidence that they don't?

ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIAM. Just because the evidence hasn't been found or cited, doesn't mean it isn't there. "There are missing links in the fossil record. Therefore, evolution is false!"

So by and large, all the things you said were founded on logical fallacies, making your entire argument fallacious.

I realize this post is a bit late, but it still rings true.

Go find your own evidence.

 

[repiV]

Or you could find your own evidence, and at the same time make yourself seem credible. If you can't find any sources to back you up, then all you have is an inherently subjective opinion.

With this statement, you're really tearing yourself apart. You are:

• Coming off as unnecessarily condescending
• Not providing any evidence to back up your claims
• Arbitrarily claiming that the evidence DOES exist, implying that we should trust you on nothing but your word
• Attacking Solaris' character - to paraphrase logical fallacy definitions, this argumentative technique is "terrible" and "does not prove anything" other than your lack of rhetorical power

Damn right I'm condescending. Solaris is a little arrogant punk kid who thinks he knows everything, but hasn't the faintest clue. He is not an equal and I shall not treat him as one. I shouldn't need to find any evidence because it is self-evident every single goddamn day to anyone who follows the news.
I've presented plenty of evidence in the past. If he doesn't get it by now, the only way he's going to get it is by self-discovery.

Honestly. "Says the BBC" doesn't tell us anything. At all. Link us somewhere, copy a (dated and credited!) article, or we have no choice but to assume you're pulling everything you say out of thin air.

Sure. Here's one of many things Google pulled up. The percentages are a bit different to the BBC poll, which I cba to search for, but it contains an altogether more worrying piece of information to compensate.

On one hand, a disturbingly high percentage of British Muslims seemed to have no problem with the 7/7 attacks. 13 percent consider the attackers to be martyrs. Seven percent approved of suicide attacks against civilians, and 16 percent approved if against military targets. About the same percentage said they would not object to a family member joining al Qaeda, while 2 percent said they would be proud. A new Pew Global Attitudes Project survey shows that 42 percent of Britons are concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in their country, an increase of 8 percent over the last year.

Al Qaeda eh? Nice.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWFkZjZjNWNiOTY3YWY0YWU4N2U3NjJmYjFkMTI1OGQ=

Care for me to list all your argumentative flaws? Too bad, I'm doing it anyway.

You know what these phrases say about you? They say "My argument is so weak that I have to resort to personal attacks, which have nothing at all to do with the issue at hand." These are also known as AD HOMINEM ATTACKS, one of many LOGICAL FALLACIES.

ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIAM. Just because the evidence doesn't exist, doesn't mean it's unattainable. "There are missing links in the fossil record. Therefore, evolution is false!"

So by and large, all the things you said were founded on logical fallacies, making your entire argument fallacious.

I realize this post is a bit late, but it still rings true.

Go find your own evidence.

There's no point hitting up the clueless with evidence. Least of all Solaris. It's been tried by countless people countless times - including me, and he takes no notice.
The only way people who have been brainwashed by the PC brigade are going to wake up to this threat is with a big damn smack around the face. Their beliefs override evidence and facts. Case in point, it shouldn't even be necessary to "find" evidence - we are bombarded with it every day. For example, the original subject of this thread. Only the blind are still ignoring it.

 

[Stigmata]

Damn right I'm condescending. Solaris is a little arrogant punk kid who thinks he knows everything, but hasn't the faintest clue. He is not an equal and I shall not treat him as one. I shouldn't need to find any evidence because it is self-evident every single goddamn day to anyone who follows the news.
I've presented plenty of evidence in the past. If he doesn't get it by now, the only way he's going to get it is by self-discovery.

Maybe you SHOULD treat him as an equal, or at least give it the old college try. There's a decent chance that the reason he disregards things you say is specifically because you treat him like this.

Besides which, some people don't watch the news, or don't pay attention to it. Yes, they're ignorant (used literally, not as ad hominem), no, they don't deserve to be punished, or illogically having MORE evidence/news withheld from them.

Just because he ignores your evidence doesn't mean you don't have to present any anymore. This is a public forum, after all, and more than two people are partaking in the argument, with many times more people reading and not piping up.

Sure. Here's one of many things Google pulled up. The percentages are a bit different to the BBC poll, which I cba to search for, but it contains an altogether more worrying piece of information to compensate.

On one hand, a disturbingly high percentage of British Muslims seemed to have no problem with the 7/7 attacks. 13 percent consider the attackers to be martyrs. Seven percent approved of suicide attacks against civilians, and 16 percent approved if against military targets. About the same percentage said they would not object to a family member joining al Qaeda, while 2 percent said they would be proud. A new Pew Global Attitudes Project survey shows that 42 percent of Britons are concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in their country, an increase of 8 percent over the last year.

Al Qaeda eh? Nice.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OWFkZjZjNWNiOTY3YWY0YWU4N2U3NjJmYjFkMTI1OGQ=

Well, that is pretty disquieting. However, the very next paragraph goes on to calm any overblown emotional responses to what you quoted.

Yet, 78 percent of British Muslims polled said they would be angry if a family member signed up with al Qaeda. 56 percent thought the government needed to do a better job fighting extremism (the response for the general population was 49 percent), and 65 percent believed their community needed to do a better job integrating into British society. Thus those Muslims who celebrate the bombers rather than mourning their victims, who will not observe the two minutes silence set for noon in London (7 A.M. on the east coast), and who state publicly that they despise the freedoms they enjoy in one of the world’s oldest democracies — they are a fringe element and embarrassment to those who seek to emulate the values that has made Britain a great nation.

Though your source does lend a bit of credit towards your argument, it lends more towards the idea of continuing tolerance towards Muslims, especially since we haven't yet brought in a similar poll of Christians or secularists, as views held by these groups on corresponding issues (not necessarily on family members joining Al-Qaeda, as that's by and large a purely Muslim concern).

[edit] Here's some excerpts (some paraphrased) from the poll quoted within your source, that start to shed light on very probable anti-Muslim bias in your source article:

• Six per cent of British Muslims believe that the 7/7 bombers were acting according to the true principles of Islam
• 7 per cent agree that suicide attacks on civilians in Britain can be justified under certain circumstances
• 16 per cent agree that suicide attacks on military targets in Britain can be justified under certain circumstances
• nearly two thirds of Muslims (64 per cent) think that no more than a tiny minority of their community sympathised with the 7/7 bombers
• 59 per cent of the general population believe the same

The first three points will most likely be taken the wrong way by a great deal of people. "Under certain circumstances" is a hugely general and wide-reaching term, and when considered logically, it is in fact true that there are "certain circumstances" in which anything can be rationalized. Saying "there are no circumstances in which suicide bombing is justified" is fallacious. We, ourselves, may not have come across any situations in which we feel that blowing ourselves up to achieve a goal is rational or justified, but that doesn't mean those situations will never come up. Which means, in turn, that the polled Muslims don't necessarily feel that recent suicide attacks were justified, just that there may, at some point, be situations in which they can be.

There's no point hitting up the clueless with evidence. Least of all Solaris. It's been tried by countless people countless times - including me, and he takes no notice.
The only way people who have been brainwashed by the PC brigade are going to wake up to this threat is with a big damn smack around the face. Their beliefs override evidence and facts. Case in point, it shouldn't even be necessary to "find" evidence - we are bombarded with it every day. For example, the original subject of this thread. Only the blind are still ignoring it.

You really do have to stop with the ad hominem. It doesn't make you look good whatsoever.

 

[Solaris]

Oh now this will be fun.

So he is racist for his views?

Yes. That is why I called him a racist.

Yet again we are been told what we can & cannot say about Muslims,

So? You cannot say anything racist about anybody, it's the law now.

earlier on the news i heard them say they like freedom of speach & freedom to critize their religion, but Solaris completly disagrees with this..r u muslim?

You can critise their religion all you want, just be nice about it.

Can we say Muslims are racist towards white people, can we fukers like, were always the racist in our own country.

Yes you can, and perphaps that is becuase you yourself are a racist?

Says the BBC.

Well the BBC also says your a racist asshat. Can't argue with that.

Is there any evidence that they don't?

Is there any evidence that you are not a dickhead?

NO, the muslims do..so open ur eyes & see who is the threat pal!

If you're going to say that Muslims are not a race, do not keep refering to Muslims as 'them' 'so do they'. 'The Muslims do...' is the stupiest thing you've yet to say. You continue to refuse to show any evidence for this at all.

well done jack straw, when in rome do as the romans do. if we visited a muslim country we would have to adhere to the rule of the land so why is it not the same in britain

I doubt you'd find many supporters of such regimes in Britian.

Damn right I'm condescending. Solaris is a little arrogant punk kid who thinks he knows everything, but hasn't the faintest clue. He is not an equal and I shall not treat him as one. I shouldn't need to find any evidence because it is self-evident every single goddamn day to anyone who follows the news.
I've presented plenty of evidence in the past. If he doesn't get it by now, the only way he's going to get it is by self-discovery.

You're right. I am not equal to you.

Sure. Here's one of many things Google pulled up. The percentages are a bit different to the BBC poll, which I cba to search for, but it contains an altogether more worrying piece of information to compensate.

Bullshit source.

There's no point hitting up the clueless with evidence. Least of all Solaris. It's been tried by countless people countless times - including me, and he takes no notice.

You have never formed a reasonable argument for your conclusions backed up with decent evidence - ever.

And niceone stigmata.

 

[Stigmata]

And niceone stigmata.

Just trying to keep everything logical.

Oh, and check my edit, I discredited his source too. So I guess his track record isn't so great?

 

[repiV]

Maybe you SHOULD treat him as an equal, or at least give it the old college try. There's a decent chance that the reason he disregards things you say is specifically because you treat him like this.

I am civil to him sometimes, but it makes little difference.
What frustrates me the most is that I used to be the same way, "most Muslims are just normal people and the extremist is our fault..." etc.
To me now, the blindness is just staggering. Also, nobody could open my eyes to the truth by debating with me (and they really tried). I just had to realise it for myself.
Although I stopped far short of proclaiming that we would live in a utopia if I was running the country, as Solaris has done.

Besides which, some people don't watch the news, or don't pay attention to it. Yes, they're ignorant (used literally, not as ad hominem), no, they don't deserve to be punished, or illogically having MORE evidence/news withheld from them.

Just because he ignores your evidence doesn't mean you don't have to present any anymore. This is a public forum, after all, and more than two people are partaking in the argument, with many times more people reading and not piping up.

Pertinent points. Perhaps I should refer you to this site, actually. It makes the arguments better than I ever could. http://www.faithfreedom.org
It's written by an Arabic woman, incidentally.

Well, that is pretty disquieting. However, the very next paragraph goes on to calm any overblown emotional responses to what you quoted.

Yet, 78 percent of British Muslims polled said they would be angry if a family member signed up with al Qaeda. 56 percent thought the government needed to do a better job fighting extremism (the response for the general population was 49 percent), and 65 percent believed their community needed to do a better job integrating into British society. Thus those Muslims who celebrate the bombers rather than mourning their victims, who will not observe the two minutes silence set for noon in London (7 A.M. on the east coast), and who state publicly that they despise the freedoms they enjoy in one of the world’s oldest democracies — they are a fringe element and embarrassment to those who seek to emulate the values that has made Britain a great nation.

Indeed it does. However, that extra paragraph does not change the facts as outlined in the first. It just tempers the response to them. We still have a very serious problem on our hands here, that threatens to destroy us.

Though your source does lend a bit of credit towards your argument, it lends more towards the idea of continuing tolerance towards Muslims, especially since we haven't yet brought in a similar poll of Christians or secularists, as views held by these groups on corresponding issues (not necessarily on family members joining Al-Qaeda, as that's by and large a purely Muslim concern).

We don't really have a problem with Christian extremists in Britain. Unless you count Northern Ireland, of course. In some way, that furthers the cause of Islam - with no religious institutions left of any power, and often a lack of direction and guidance for young people as nothing has stepped up to replace the community aspects of worship, Islam is a powerful force indeed.
We've tried tolerance towards Muslims. We've bent over backwards to help them out. It doesn't work.

You really do have to stop with the ad hominem. It doesn't make you look good whatsoever.

Frankly, I don't care. If Solaris is going to incorrectly label me a racist, he's going to get an earful.

 

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Oh now this will be fun.


Yes. That is why I called him a racist.
So? You cannot say anything racist about anybody, it's the law now.
You can critise their religion all you want, just be nice about it.
Yes you can, and perphaps that is becuase you yourself are a racist?


Well the BBC also says your a racist asshat. Can't argue with that.


Is there any evidence that you are not a dickhead?


If you're going to say that Muslims are not a race, do not keep refering to Muslims as 'them' 'so do they'. 'The Muslims do...' is the stupiest thing you've yet to say. You continue to refuse to show any evidence for this at all.


I doubt you'd find many supporters of such regimes in Britian.


You're right. I am not equal to you.


Bullshit source.


You have never formed a reasonable argument for your conclusions backed up with decent evidence - ever.

And niceone stigmata.

Try not mixing up my post with Saketi's post in your reply, making incorrect statements about me and dropping the supremely arrogant delusions of grandeur that your 16 year old naive pompous arse who's never worked a day in his life does not warrant, and I might dignify you with a response.