Bolton Already F-ing Up The UN

[No Limit]

[ SARCASM ]I'm sure nobody saw this coming[ /SARCASM ]

Bolton Already Obstructing Reform

It hasn't taken John Bolton long to undermine U.N. reform efforts. Weeks before world leaders from 170 countries are to gather in New York to discuss "the most sweeping changes at the United Nations in its 60-year history," the U.S. delegation led by Bolton has "thrown the proceedings in turmoil" with demands for a "drastic renegotiation" of the draft reform plan. Never mind that the current document is the result of "nearly a year of intensive negotiations" in which the United States "has been a regular participant" and so "has had a major impact on the document to date." Bolton has decided to introduce at the last minute more than 750 amendments that would "eliminate new pledges of foreign aid to impoverished nations scrap provisions that call for action to halt climate change and urge nuclear powers to make greater progress in dismantling their nuclear arms." Bolton was sent to the UN not to reform it, but to weaken it, and he’s already hard at work.

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=914257&ct=1352241 (second story on the page).

What an ass.

 

[CptStern]

new world order or Pax Americana is here ...the most powerful positions in the world are held by friends of bush ..if this was chess it'd be "checkmate"

 

[Top Secret]

new world order or Pax Americana is here ...the most powerful positions in the world are held by friends of bush ..if this was chess it'd be "checkmate"

Dude...

If this was chess, a bunch of swat guys just ran into the room and pointed their guns at the opposing player. And said

"Don't ****in' touch it."

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

US out of the UN for return and defense of our soveirngty.

 

[No Limit]

US out of the UN for return and defense of our soveirngty.

aka **** foreigners. Why should we listen to them?

But God forbid they do something that we don't like, after all, we are the world's police force.

 

[Tr0n]

US out of the UN for return and defense of our soveirngty.

Then why don't we just pull out of the UN anyways?! Also truthfully I wish there was a one world goverment...maybe then there would be less wars.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Then why don't we just pull out of the UN anyways?!

I don't know, I ask myself why we still haven't also.

Also truthfully I wish there was a one world goverment...maybe then there would be less wars.

Not applicable, will create more problems, and America will never stand for or be ruled by an outside entity.

 

[Tr0n]

No..."the goverment" wouldn't stand for it. Hell you know the saying..."All who gain power are afraid to lose it". Also who says would be an outside entity?

 

[Stigmata]

Then why don't we just pull out of the UN anyways?! Also truthfully I wish there was a one world goverment...maybe then there would be less wars.

Me too. Only, I'd wish for a government that didn't impose ridiculous morals and beliefs on its citizens. Otherwise you'd get lots of unhappy people. Then again, it would be tough to accomodate everyone under one set of rules...

Back OT: That's just ridiculous. The UN had better not stand for this.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

No..."the goverment" wouldn't stand for it. Hell you know the saying..."All who gain power are afraid to lose it". Also who says would be an outside entity?

The people wouldn't stand for it one bit either. You might personally, but the majority won't.

If it's an American government it's just America with global colonies, we don't have the resources, time, or even the need/want to do such a thing. Doing so adopts many of the world's problems we don't currently have as our own, and as a government we'd be obligated to fix everything, we aren't able to.

 

[Icarusintel]

simply put: the UN doesn;t need just a tummy tuck and a face lift, it needs a whole new body
as it stands right now it's pretty useless, all it does is throw money around anyway

 

[The Monkey]

If every nation thought like RakuraiTenjin, refusing to co-operate with other countries and international organistations, this world would be a much more hostile place.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

If every nation thought like RakuraiTenjin, refusing to co-operate with other countries and international organistations, this world would be a much more hostile place.

There's a difference between cooperating/friendship and being drug into a beaurocratic organization that threatens your soveirgnty.

People shouldn't assume that in leaving the UN, all nations somehow stop being helpful to each other at all and become hostile to all international groups.

 

[mortiz]

Since when has the U.N. been a threat to the U.S. sovereignty? The U.N. is a forum for the world community to compromise and help each other. If nations aren't willing to compromise however then the U.N. is useless. The U.N. is not a global government which is where I think a lot of people get confused. International Law doesn't work in the same way as regular laws would but on a bigger scale. If a country breaks international law the U.N. provides a means for nations to discuss the next course of action.

The U.N. peacekeepers simply represent the will of the nations involved in the U.N.

 

[MjM]

Meh dont talk about threatening sovereignty, America does enough of that as it is.

 

[pomegranate]

I think any nation which refuses to be a part of the UN should not be allowed any trade or commerce with members of the UN, their citizens should not be allowed to visit member countries, and their planes and ships be should not be allowed to travel in the airspace or territorial waters of member nations. See how you like true isolationism, rather than enjoying the benefits without responsbilities and accountability.

 

[MjM]

Honestly, whose read the Handmaids Tale?

 

[KoreBolteR]

UN should have more power. even if they are a bunch of wankers

 

[MjM]

Yea the UN needs to be more proactive. I really wish they would get rid of all veto's. That way it could function more like a democracy rather than the tool of a few powerful nations.

 

[The Mullinator]

Honestly, whose read the Handmaids Tale?

Handmaids tale was ridiculous. Besides, in that story the entire government was assasinated by ultra-radical christian groups who had taken control of the army (at least thats what I gathered), it wasn't the US government at all that was in control.

On-Topic: This is utterly moronic what hes doing. However I also have extremelly little faith in the UN anyway. A council of competing nations is simply a temporary fix for the problems of the world and almost always leaves everyone back at square one once it fails. If anything is really going to change for the better then someone has to begin to take charge of the world. Unfortunately no current government is right for the job.

 

[Solaris]

UN should have more power. even if they are a bunch of wankers

The UN is a blatent puppet of the USA.

If poorer countries, don't vote in favour of US policies, then the USA cuts off aid assistence.

Less globilasation, less control.

Down with the UN.

 

[CptStern]

the UN is necessary ...without the UN as a check and balance just think how much easier it would be for certain countries to do what they please ...not that they dont do it now, but at least there's a semblance of culpiblity should they step over the line

 

[CptStern]

The UN is a blatent puppet of the USA.

If poorer countries, don't vote in favour of US policies, then the USA cuts off aid assistence.

Less globilasation, less control.

Down with the UN.

funny you should mention that but the US cut off aid to 35 countries for not giving Americans immunity from the International Criminal Court ......hmmmm planning for gitmo?

 

[Cole]

You know America is like rap...
I love America. I living here and everything.

But damn it's getting sooo hard to defend.

 

[The Monkey]

There's a difference between cooperating/friendship and being drug into a beaurocratic organization that threatens your soveirgnty.

People shouldn't assume that in leaving the UN, all nations somehow stop being helpful to each other at all and become hostile to all international groups.

Threatens your sovereignty? In which way does the UN threaten US's sovereignty? Organizations like the UN is necacary for world peace and stability. Sure, the UN got some faults, but there's no other organization out there than can unity all nations like the UN can.

 

[No Limit]

You guys around the world need to understand why there is so much hate in this country for the UN. The right wing here is simply bat-shit crazy. They don't like the fact that the UN was right in the lead up to war and they were wrong so now they will do everything they can to discredit it, even if it means ****ing the world in the process. They did this with Plame and our national security simply because Wilson exposed them and they have done this many times in the past (France anyone?). Don't worry too much about it, with Bush's approval at 36% (watergate numbers) the right wing won't have power after 08 (hopefully 06) and the world will start turning back to normal. The only thing I'm worried about is how much more damage they can do in the next 3 years, Iran still hasn't been invaded and North Korea is still around.

 

[The Mullinator]

Don't worry too much about it, with Bush's approval at 36% (watergate numbers) the right wing won't have power after 08 (hopefully 06) and the world will start turning back to normal.

I beg to differ. As long as the left continues to conduct itself with the same "we were right, you were wrong so we are better" attitude and the right doesn't become anymore extreme and idiotic than it is now then I wouldn't be surprised if things will only be getting progresively worse.

Both sides are being extremelly childish and arrogant.

 

[No Limit]

I beg to differ. As long as the left continues to conduct itself with the same "we were right, you were wrong so we are better" attitude and the right doesn't become anymore extreme and idiotic than it is now then I wouldn't be surprised if things will only be getting progresively worse.

Both sides are being extremelly childish and arrogant.

When the president has an approval rating of 36% and his republican congress less than 30% the american people would have to be total idiots not to try something different. Do you not agree?

No, the left isn't always right. But however you look at it giving the right full control has completely ruined this country if not this world and things are only getting worse.

 

[The Mullinator]

When the president has an approval rating of 36% and his republican congress less than 30% the american people would have to be total idiots not to try something different. Do you not agree?

No, the left isn't always right. But however you look at it giving the right full control has completely ruined this country if not this world and things are only getting worse.

Its not election season though, those numbers can fluctuate rapidly and with a new presidential candidate from the repulicans they could completely change. The concern right now is Iraq, what will happen if things change there? What if the democrats completely screw up?

Its far from a sure thing what will happen. The US is badly split right now it seems and with the way things are going even if the democrats are elected I suspect it would only be temporary anyway before the Republicans are in charge again.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

[ SARCASM ]I'm sure nobody saw this coming[ /SARCASM ]

Oh, so your threads not legit ...

<sigh, looks elsewhere>

 

[No Limit]

Its not election season though, those numbers can fluctuate rapidly and with a new presidential candidate from the repulicans they could completely change. The concern right now is Iraq, what will happen if things change there? What if the democrats completely screw up?

Its far from a sure thing what will happen. The US is badly split right now it seems and with the way things are going even if the democrats are elected I suspect it would only be temporary anyway before the Republicans are in charge again.

They do fluctuate because republicans are great at putting spin on everything they do, during election season they pin everything wrong they did on the Democrats. But again, look at what the republicans are doing. Can you name one thing this year that they did that actually helps the people of this country?

 

[The Mullinator]

They do fluctuate because republicans are great at putting spin on everything they do, during election season they pin everything wrong they did on the Democrats. But again, look at what the republicans are doing. Can you name one thing this year that they did that actually helps the people of this country?

The same argument can be put in reverse almost every time. Besides, the general consensus I gain is that people accept the lack of support and good change inside the country because the nation is "at war with terror".

Look at what the left is doing, they are pinning everything wrong with the country and the world in general with the Republicans.

Americans are stupid. About as stupid as the citizens of every other country in the world. That is the reason I have very little faith in what its citizens think.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Was'nt the UN already F'uped? How many of those basterds do drugs anyway?

 

[CptStern]

ahem ...bush snorted half of coulmbia ...and you dare throw drug abuse accusations at the UN?

 

[No Limit]

The same argument can be put in reverse almost every time. Besides, the general consensus I gain is that people accept the lack of support and good change inside the country because the nation is "at war with terror".

Look at what the left is doing, they are pinning everything wrong with the country and the world in general with the Republicans.

Americans are stupid. About as stupid as the citizens of every other country in the world. That is the reason I have very little faith in what its citizens think.

So what I get from you is that Democrats share as much blame for everything that is wrong with this country, is that right?

You have to understand, the Democrats have no power at all thanks to the average idiot called the American voter. Republicans control all 3 branches of the government, it is down right foolish to say Democrats share the blame. Democrats are not the ones slashing taxes ruining the economy, Democrats are not the ones cutting funding for veterans and natural disasters, Democrats didn't start the war in Iraq, democrats didn't cut food stamp programs, democrats are not the ones giving huge hand outs to big business... I could go on forever. My point is that yes, everything that is going wrong in this country is the fault of the party that is in control of the entire government and doesn't want to change what it has been doing wrong for the last 5 years because they are not willing to admit what they are doing is wrong.

So tell me, what do you think Democrats should do right now to fix what is wrong with this country?

 

[The Mullinator]

So what I get from you is that Democrats share as much blame for everything that is wrong with this country, is that right?

You have to understand, the Democrats have no power at all thanks to the average idiot called the American voter. Republicans control all 3 branches of the government, it is down right foolish to say Democrats share the blame. Democrats are not the ones slashing taxes ruining the economy, Democrats are not the ones cutting funding for veterans and natural disasters, Democrats didn't start the war in Iraq, democrats didn't cut food stamp programs, democrats are not the ones giving huge hand outs to big business... I could go on forever. My point is that yes, everything that is going wrong in this country is the fault of the party that is in control of the entire government and doesn't want to change what it has been doing wrong for the last 5 years because they are not willing to admit what they are doing is wrong.

So tell me, what do you think Democrats should do right now to fix what is wrong with this country?

No I mean when Democrats are in power they will recieve the blame for whatever may currently be wrong in the country. Whoever is really to blame whether it be Democrat or Republican isn't the point. Both sides have to take responsibility for various problems. Thats how governments need to work.

Right now the Republicans are taking the blame because they are in power however if the Democrats were in power then any blame that occurs would be placed squarely on them.

 

[CptStern]

meh it's the neo-cons ...the neo-cons and their crazy view of the world

 

[el Chi]

There's a difference between cooperating/friendship and being drug into a beaurocratic organization that threatens your soveirgnty.

People shouldn't assume that in leaving the UN, all nations somehow stop being helpful to each other at all and become hostile to all international groups.

Yes, the UN is rather outdated and has its faults. However at its core it is a wonderful institution and has the potential for much greater things and greater understanding between nations if:
a) Nations allow it to grow.
b) It undergoes some rather drastic changes.

So this was to try and get some major changes in the UN but now these plans are derailed, which sort of undermines some complaints that this Bolton fellow may have.
Also, if, say, Uzbekistan had disagreed with certain points in these reforms their opinion would have been considered for maybe a fraction of a second. It is unfair for the US to claim superiority in an oorganisation that is supposed to work towards equality of nations - a platform where nations have the chance to discuss issues on a level playing field, so to speak.

Also, most of the sweeping changes that most drastically need to be implemented are ones that keep these inequalities in motion. The UN is 60ish years old and bears little reflection on the way the world is today. The old powers and victors of the second world war are still high above all the other nations. For example, it seems rather unfair that, no matter what the opinions of many nations, the victors should have a veto power.
That's just one amongst many, but it all boils down to criticism without solutions from so many sceptics.

 

[No Limit]

No I mean when Democrats are in power they will recieve the blame for whatever may currently be wrong in the country. Whoever is really to blame whether it be Democrat or Republican isn't the point. Both sides have to take responsibility for various problems. Thats how governments need to work.

Right now the Republicans are taking the blame because they are in power however if the Democrats were in power then any blame that occurs would be placed squarely on them.

But again, thats because it is the fault of the party that has power to change. In the 90s when Democrats had almost equal power things were going very well for us and Democrats can take the blame for that if you wish. As soon as the right wing spin machine kicked in and they received full control of government everything turned to shit, do you not see this? The Iraq war would have never happened under a Democrat, taxes would not have been cut under a democrat, because of Bush's policies toward oil I can almost gurantee you our oil prices would be a lot less under a democrat, we would not have a 8 trillion dollar deficit under a democrat (we had a surplus under Clinton), I could go on forever. But here is the problem, everyone makes mistakes. Its the simple fact that republicans will not admit any mistakes they made and they will not change policies no matter how damaging they are. Economy is in ruins and the deficit keeps growing, **** it, cut taxes for the rich and we'll just cut things like hurricane aid for New Orleans and food stamps and health care for the poor. And they have been doing this for 5 years now without any positive results yet they want to take it even further. And you guys have the decency to say Democrats share the blame.

Politics is clear cut, there are 2 sides. Both sides are never fully right but you can bet your ass that one side is more right than the other. Under Democrats we have had the best economy and the most respect around the world; why you people elect Republcians, especially when you can't defend them, blows my mind.