Born Gay?

[ríomhaire]

Phycological studies point to 1 and 3, scientific poin to 2 and 4.
They managed to turn a fruitfly gay in Austrailia by altering 1 gene.

 

[Mikey10]

I have a Gay friend, and he says he was born Gay. So I'm going along with born Gay.

 

[Jintor]

I know no gays, and have all my opinions based purely on media and my reasonable, logical mind. I say turn gay.

 

[The Monkey]

Both. Some people are born gay, some become gay, some people can become straight, some can't. I voted for all 4.

 

[15357]

I voted 2nd and 4th.


I think hitler had the right idea, he just went too far.










/runs like hell

 

[furiousV]

Considering the entire idea of a relationship, ie have fun, make love, have kids, raise a family, your naturally straight, otherwise you woulnt be born would you (forget artificial incemination or whatevre, they didnt have that 100 years ago).

But male-and-male, their parts are incompatible . . . its not natural and it don't work.
You never see any animals going gay do you?

However, I do beleive the way you are treated, especially by our parents, can have an influence if you decide to become gay, ie treating you like a girl when your a boy and vice versa.

My mum knows somebody that was gay, but he decided it was wrong, probably never felt at ease with it.

And about that fruitfly, they probably altered the gene to change its sex. . . .
wait a minute . . . insects work differently, they lay eggs (grub/larvae whatever)

Lets see them do that to a monkey, considering them whacky scientists beleive were related to them. Oh, do you even get gay monkeys?

 

[The Monkey]

You never see any animals going gay do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

 

[15357]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

Ah, I was about to post that.

 

[Tr0n]

Both. Some people are born gay, some become gay, some people can become straight, some can't. I voted for all 4.

As did I.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I didn't know it was multiple choice :|

I voted for 2

 

[Gray Fox]

Offcourse it's 2 and 4, why the **** did people vote for 1 and 3. Yo can's just turn and start loving men as a guy. Offcourse your born with it. WTF is wrong with you people. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

 

[CptStern]

Oh, do you even get gay monkeys?

"Just as in humans, monkeys often form long-term same-sex relationships. Homosexuality in monkeys often, even usually, involves pair bonding as deep and as long-lasting as between members of heterosexual couples."

source

 

[G-Dub]

I voted 2nd and 4th.


I think hitler had the right idea, he just went too far.










/runs like hell

You better ****ing run!

 

[Jintor]

Offcourse it's 2 and 4, why the **** did people vote for 1 and 3. Yo can's just turn and start loving men as a guy. Offcourse your born with it. WTF is wrong with you people. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Woah, calm down man. While you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out, you would need to be both a psychologist and a genetic scientist to work out which, and why, and how, etc. You can't just say 'woah, everyone's freaking gay! They're born that way! Everyone else is t3h sux0r!' unless you're Rumsfeld or something.

*mutters that he went to see Stuff Happens and it was a great play etc. etc.*

 

[Gray Fox]

Woah, calm down man. While you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work it out, you would need to be both a psychologist and a genetic scientist to work out which, and why, and how, etc. You can't just say 'woah, everyone's freaking gay! They're born that way! Everyone else is t3h sux0r!' unless you're Rumsfeld or something.

*mutters that he went to see Stuff Happens and it was a great play etc. etc.*

You're right I aplogize, but my reasoning was that sex is something instinctive, I fell in love with girls even when iwas young and everyone would tease you for it. So as far as I can see your choice of mate is independendt from your upbringing or envoirment.

 

[Icarusintel]

can i be bread gay? :upstare:

 

[CptStern]

let me guess ..you're saying that gay parents breed gay offspring right?


if that's true why do the majority of gay people have straight parents?

 

[ríomhaire]

let me guess ..you're saying that gay parents breed gay offspring right?


if that's true why do the majority of gay people have straight parents?

And why do the majority of gay parents have straight children?

 

[CptStern]

I dont know ...cuz they dont try to breed them gay?

 

[diluted]

When I was 5 years old, I made a long, thought-out decision to be heterosexual. I could've chose to be a homosexual if I wanted, but Jesus convinced me that liking girls was the only way to heaven.

/sarcasm

 

[Top Secret]

They need to just do this scientifically.

Find a gay guy, clone him. And isolate his clone in another part of the world.

If he's gay too, then you're born gay. If not, then it's a mental decision.

 

[SimonomiS]

Does it matter?

 

[qckbeam]

I don't personally know of any gay gene, so I can't say that a person comes out of the womb a 100% homosexual. However, many, many gay men and women recall discovering the label for the way they have always felt about the same sex at a very young age. It's often described as “just clicking” one day. For me, that is exactly how it was. I literally thought "Oh my god, I'm gay aren't I?" when I was eight years old. I remember every detail of that moment. I have memories before that involving attraction to the same sex that I can pinpoint to a specific month and year. They go back to when I was five years old.

A recent study done on gay men and straight women shows that a gay mans brain "lights up" in the exact same way as a straight women’s when the subject is introduced to male pheromones. Male pheromones have no effect on straight males at all. While this study was conducted on adults, it does show that homosexuality is something that is hardwired into the makeup of a person. How this happens is still unclear, but the evidence clearly shows that homosexuality is not a mental condition, or an illusion. That brings up my next point.

There are gay animals. This has been shown time and time again. Homosexuality extends beyond the realm of humans. Animals do not have the ability to choose in the same way we humans do. If they can be born gay, why can’t we?

So, if many gay men and women can trace back gay feelings to their early childhood, and studies have shown us that the brain of a gay adult male reacts to pheromones in the same way a straight women's does, and homosexuality is present in animals other than humans (where it is excepted without any problem) naturally, where is the debate really?

 

[brink's]

I'm sick of "animals don't have gay sex, then why do humans" being the main argument that homosexuality is a choice rather then genetic, especially since it's wrong!!!! Do a ten minute google search to check your facts before you throw your bias in everyones face.

 

[The Monkey]

It's not genetic either. It's not in the genes. I think it's kinda random.

 

[brink's]

It's not genetic either. It's not in the genes. I think it's kinda random.

There's no evidence to support clame at all. It could be but, its not written in stone.

 

[Absinthe]

I'm quite certain that homosexuality is something you're born with, or at least with a major predispostion towards. For certain, brain structuring is different to those of heterosexuals. In the end, I don't believe it to be something you can will into or out of existence, and so I don't believe you can attribute fault to the person.

The idea that one can "learn" to be straight is ridiculous IMO. I'm sure you can try real hard to pretend to be straight and suppress your sexual desires, but it's just that: suppression. It's a lifetime of forcing attractions on a different kind of person and it's never fully resolved. If anything, you'll only achieve an unhealthy mental state.

 

[Teta_Bonita]

why do the majority of gay people have straight parents?

And why do the majority of gay parents have straight children?

Interesting, because if that's true then:
1. Homosexuality is not transmitted geneticly (so screw that fruitfly experiment)
and
2. Homosexuality is not caused by how you were raised.

So the question is, WTF?

 

[Solaris]

I voted 2nd and 4th.


I think hitler had the right idea, he just went too far.



/runs like hell

You best run.

Please say ure joking.

 

[ríomhaire]

Interesting, because if that's true then:
1. Homosexuality is not transmitted geneticly (so screw that fruitfly experiment)
and
2. Homosexuality is not caused by how you were raised.

So the question is, WTF?

Oh yes. Scientific theory for why there are now more gays:
Women before looked for a masculine man for a partner because they were needed to work/fight etc. But now they prefer more senitive men. The sensitive men are closer to being gay than the masculine men and carry more dormant gay gene's which are passed on the boys(this is an extremly simplified version though so don't take it litteraly)

The big brother effect:
I seems that the more older brothers a boys has the higher the chance of him being gay is. A scientific theory to this is that the mother dosn't generate as much testosterone to give to the child or something like that (I can't remember exactly).

And it seems lesbians are an entirly different story but I don't know much about it.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I think people are turned gay. Makes no sense to have people being born gay because that means no reproduction for the species. Nothing wrong with turning gay.

 

[The Monkey]

Gay parents do not get gay children. So there's the gene theory out of the window. But people with completely different childhoods become gay as well, so it has nothing to do with the way you're raised either. I really don't understand how homosexuality appear, although I got to admit, it would be strange if everyone was straight.

 

[Spectre01]

You can be born gay, the same way you can be born retarded, blind, deaf, etc.

 

[kupocake]

They need to just do this scientifically.

Find a gay guy, clone him. And isolate his clone in another part of the world.

If he's gay too, then you're born gay. If not, then it's a mental decision.

I can't even pretend to be scientifically minded, but that doesn't quite work does it.... clones aren't like that. In order for the experiment to be "scientific", both the original and the clone need to be exposed to the same conditions in a womb, because if the arguement is whether people are "born gay", all aspects of their creation must be the same pre-birth. A popular scientific arguement seems to be to do with conditions in the womb, i.e. varied levels of hormones that people are exposed to. Higher levels of Oestrogen in the early stages resulting in femanine characteristics in men or whatever.

To me, intersexed (or Hermaphrodites for those of you who shun PC terms ) people are a sort of proof that Homosexuals are born that way. If people can be physically born with sex characteristics of both sexes, why can't something as delicate as the brain be created with the characteristics of both sexes (gay men or women) or even characteristics completely opposite to their physical gender?

 

[madog]

And you cant really pass on a gay gene considering a woman has to be in it to make it happen. It just happens by chance. Or perhaps he is bisexual. But do you think bisexuals like just one and then they choose to like the other?