Bush Lied, Get Over It

[No Limit]

In another thread I brought up the Downing Street Memo and since then all the conservatives seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth. So here is a post for you guys to dispute, if you can't I never want to hear any of you repeat that bullshit about Bush not lying. In July of 2002 the Downing Street Memo said Bush was determained to use military force against Iraq. In January of 2003 Bush said in his state of the union address that he has not made up his mind. This is a lie, and this is a lie he could be impeached for. Any of you have an explanation?

 

[CptStern]

In another thread I brought up the Downing Street Memo and since then all the conservatives seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth. So here is a post for you guys to dispute, if you can't I never want to hear any of you repeat that bullshit about Bush not lying. In July of 2002 the Downing Street Memo said Bush was determained to use military force against Iraq. In January of 2003 Bush said in his state of the union address that he has not made up his mind. This is a lie, and this is a lie he could be impeached for. Any of you have an explanation?

"Interestingly, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan has moved from refusing to comment on the memo at all, to calling the memo “flat out wrong” to, most recently, avoiding any direct commentary on its veracity"

replace "White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan" with "Republican" for accuracy

 

[Kebean PFC]

YAY!!! Bash us some more why dont ya??

Look we got a bad president, just as the rest of the world has at one time or another. We did something stupid NOW GET THE F*** OVER IT.

 

[Tr0n]

YAY!!! Bash us some more why dont ya??

Look we got a bad president, just as the rest of the world has at one time or another. We did something stupid NOW GET THE F*** OVER IT.

Exactly. We already know he lied and is a sucky ass president...even the approval ratings show that.

So lets all let it go.

 

[CptStern]

if you know he lied why do you still support him? when clinton lied about getting his beanpole waxed the right went to all the trouble of getting him fired (almost worked too) ...yet when bush lies and 10's of thousands of people are killed as a result you re-elect him ...you obviously havent learned anything

 

[Tr0n]

I never supported him if that post was pointed at me. I loved clinton tho...I still say there was nothing wrong with him getting a bj from that woman. He has a stressful job!

 

[CptStern]

no it wasnt pointed at you specifically but at americans in general ..you should all write your congressmen and demand he be impeached for lying

 

[No Limit]

YAY!!! Bash us some more why dont ya??

Look we got a bad president, just as the rest of the world has at one time or another. We did something stupid NOW GET THE F*** OVER IT.

Do you people honestly not understand why I make posts like this? If everyone agreed with what you just said, like I do, I wouldn't have posted this. But there are still people here, seinfeldrules, Glirk, Feath, and many others that will not admit he even lied. Until I get those people to admit it I will not drop it, and you shouldn't either. They will influance more people with their bullshit and in 06 and 08 you will again say we have bad leaders, don't say anything bad about them just let it go. It makes no sense and it is extremely annoying for you guys to bring it up in every thread I make.

 

[No Limit]

if you know he lied why do you still support him? when clinton lied about getting his beanpole waxed the right went to all the trouble of getting him fired (almost worked too) ...yet when bush lies and 10's of thousands of people are killed as a result you re-elect him ...you obviously havent learned anything

If your wife was Hillary I think every guy out there would do the same thing, I still think he could have got much better :naughty:

 

[Pesmerga]

I'm starting to get the feeling that No Limit and CptStern are pulling a Locke / Demontheses on us

Ender's Game refference....

 

[Kebean PFC]

Yeah, i know what u mean Pes...

 

[ComradeBadger]

This is really tiring me. Yes, I get that he's not a good president. I get that he may or may not have lied. I still don't care. The war in Iraq is capable of accomplishing a great deal of good. Can you not admit/see that?

 

[KoreBolteR]

all world leaders lie.

 

[Tr0n]

This is really tiring me. Yes, I get that he's not a good president. I get that he may or may not have lied. I still don't care. The war in Iraq is capable of accomplishing a great deal of good. Can you not admit/see that?

Capable and doing are two different things. Don't forget it's also "capable" of accomplishing a great deal of evil.

 

[KoreBolteR]

shens to that!

 

[DreamThrall]

Ender's Game refference....

Rawk! :thumbs:

 

[No Limit]

This is really tiring me. Yes, I get that he's not a good president. I get that he may or may not have lied. I still don't care. The war in Iraq is capable of accomplishing a great deal of good. Can you not admit/see that?

What good? Saddam was clearly not a threat to anyone, and we knew that before we invaded. Yes, he did some horrible things before 1991 but a lot more people will die from this war by the time is finished than they ever did under Saddam. We are also learning that to controll such a unstable country you need to have a dictator that lays down the law. When you try and put in a democracy overnight it is guaranteed to fail, like we are seeing now. Even if they do come up with a constitution the country, and actually region, will not be stable for decades; long after Saddam would have died.

The best thing in Iraq would have been to do reform from the inside. yes, it would have taken a few decades but a lot less people would have died and you would have had a lot more success.

 

[MrWhite]

Ey, I was born in Canada, and now I live in Ohio. A completely Republican, Ohio. So I've learned alot. I personally, along with my entire family and friends IN canada have nothing against America or Americans, but every single one dispises Bush with a passion.

I personally have just learned, it's 3 more years, how much worse could he do?

Oh dear god...



Nah, but the war in Iraq war is a touchy subject. I know I personally didn't want to see it, simply because the motives and the way it was handled was allll wrong. However, I do agree with ComradeBadger and think that it has brought good to the people there, or, well, maybe not yet, but it will in the near future. Hopefully.

 

[baxter]

The war in Iraq is capable of accomplishing a great deal of good. Can you not admit/see that?

No
Maybe Mr Bush knows best.

“Our mission in Iraq is clear. We're hunting down the terrorists. We're helping Iraqis build a free nation that is an ally in the war on terror. We're advancing freedom in the broader Middle East. We are removing a source of violence and instability, and laying the foundation of peace for our children and our grandchildren,”
“The work in Iraq is difficult and it is dangerous. Like most Americans, I see the images of violence and bloodshed. Every picture is horrifying, and the suffering is real. Amid all this violence, I know Americans ask the question: Is the sacrifice worth it? It is worth it, and it is vital to the future security of our country.”

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_id=9437

Excuse me while I throw up.....

 

[ComradeBadger]

What good? Saddam was clearly not a threat to anyone, and we knew that before we invaded. Yes, he did some horrible things before 1991 but a lot more people will die from this war by the time is finished than they ever did under Saddam. We are also learning that to controll such a unstable country you need to have a dictator that lays down the law. When you try and put in a democracy overnight it is guaranteed to fail, like we are seeing now. Even if they do come up with a constitution the country, and actually region, will not be stable for decades; long after Saddam would have died.

The best thing in Iraq would have been to do reform from the inside. yes, it would have taken a few decades but a lot less people would have died and you would have had a lot more success.

I'll agree that the war was a little too late, yet Saddam has clearly demonstrated in the past a willingness to be a threat to the rest of the world (recontruction of the Manhatten project facility, the VX nerve agent accquistion)

And the removal of a dictator is always a good thing, and who's to say that Saddam's death wouldn't have to led to his replacement with another member of his family.

 

[baxter]

I'll agree that the war was a little too late, yet Saddam has clearly demonstrated in the past a willingness to be a threat to the rest of the world (recontruction of the Manhatten project facility, the VX nerve agent accquistion)

And the removal of a dictator is always a good thing, and who's to say that Saddam's death wouldn't have to led to his replacement with another member of his family.

You are right and nobody would object to the removal of this man. The objection is the cost.
My spin on it is this. Iraq was on its knees after the first Gulf War, crimpled by economic sanctions, played no part in 9/11, had no WMD, did not harbour terrorists, yet our leaders saw fit to storm in there and make the world a more dangerous place.
The Iraq war has done nothing for world stability, nor has it addressed global terrorism, the reverse infact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601623.html

Removal of a dictator is all good and well, but is it really worth it? Worth the thousands of innocent lives, hundreds of soldiers , the billions it has cost.

I objected to this war from the start and continue to.