Bush: The worst president ever?

[No Limit]

Good question. For any Bush supporters out here, I want you to post how what this author says is wrong; I don't want that crap about partisan atricles or any other blabber you guys like to put up when you can't address the point:

http://www.alternet.org/story/22057

All the above, and more, is why I contend that George W. Bush is the worst president EVER. Hands down, no one else even comes close.

Herbert Hoover may have triggered the Great Depression, but he didn't invade another nation on false pretenses, authorize torture of prisoners, or try to stack the courts. Franklin Roosevelt did try to stack the courts but Congress said "no" and he said "OK," and went on the save the world from fascism and secure the lives of America's elderly by creating Social Security -- which Bush now wants to subvert.

Johnson and Nixon did fight an illegal and immoral war but Johnson lifted millions out of poverty and got the Civil Rights Act passed, much to his own party's determent. Nixon tried to subvert the Constitution but was caught and thrown out of office before he could succeed.

But I fear it's too late to stop George W. Bush and his band of right-wing revolutionaries. We have let them get too far along now to stop them. We have let them neutralize too many constitutional checks and balances. And once they deep-six the filibuster it truly will be game over.

Yes, the Democrats have begun to fight, but too little and now too late. The only recourse soon will be public demonstrations of the kind and size not seen here since the 1970s.

The only question is, are there still enough of us out here who give a damn.

Can anyone here actually name a worse president than Bush? If yes, why?

 

[Raziaar]

Can anyone here actually name a worse president than Bush? If yes, why?

George Washington.

The ****er chopped down the cherry tree! Bastard!

 

[Tr0n]

Sadly...there still isn't enough of us who gives a damn, because I sure as hell don't.

Bwhahahahaha...*cough*

 

[kirovman]

The President who cut up children into little bits and kept them in the freezer?

I did a google search on "worst president" which seems to be all about Bush...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=worst+president&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N

but I did find http://www.thetalentshow.org/archives/000979.html

....saying 17% of those questioned (highest proportion) said that Bush's presidency is the worst failure since Nixon.

I don't pretend that I pay attention to the US's presidential history, but I haven't seen such a bad act as Bush.

Here's a brief historical account of the Presidency:
http://weather.ou.edu/~mjames/albums/yfp/prez0000.jpg

 

[xLostx]

I can't think of anyone other than bush as the worst president ever.
I miss Clinton ;(

 

[Raziaar]

I can't think of anyone other than bush as the worst president ever.
I miss Clinton ;(

"If Clinton was the answer, it must have been a stupid question"

lol. My grandpa has that as a bumper sticker. He was raised democrat, too.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

http://weather.ou.edu/~mjames/albums/yfp/prez0000.jpg

I think that sums things up nicely.

I'd actually warrant that the president who died after only 30 days was worse. Although that's arguable because you might say he died before he could do anything bad.

Nixon was maybe worse, but he did get kicked out. I think it might be a Bush-Nixon tiegame.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

wow, are you serious? (sarcastic)
it's old news buddy, i don't think Bush has a single suporter here

 

[Steve]

Sorry, until he passes the second Indian Removal Act, Jackson takes the cake.

 

[No Limit]

Sorry, until he passes the second Indian Removal Act, Jackson takes the cake.

Okay, I have to give you that one. So lets say Bush is the worst president in the last 170 years.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

we should beat up all the Bush lovers

 

[Tr0n]

Then beat up all the Kerry/democrat lovers...then only us Centrist will be left.

 

[Steve]

Then beat up all the Kerry/democrat lovers...then only us Centrist will be left.

We should also beat up the Libretarians.

...I just wanna beat up my roommate.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

i'm not a Centrist, i'm not anything, i just wish for a proper president, who would truly care about the people of the world, not just US, the presidnet who's priority would be education, health care, and so on

not the moran we have right now

 

[Raziaar]

i'm not a Centrist, i'm not anything, i just wish for a proper president, who would truly care about the people of the world, not just US, the presidnet who's priority would be education, health care, and so on

not the moran we have right now

You need one to cares more for the country than the world. This is a given. Unless you can find a truely good package of one that does both.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

You need one to cares more for the country than the world. This is a given. Unless you can find a truely good package of one that does both.

defently, but it's our country (any country) located IN the world, meaning that we can't just cut ourself of and fotget about the rest of the world, i'm just waiting for the moment when all boarders will be gone, and we all become citizens of the world

 

[Raziaar]

defently, but it's our country (any country) located IN the world, meaning that we can't just cut ourself of and fotget about the rest of the world, i'm just waiting for the moment when all boarders will be gone, and we all become citizens of the world

All borders will 'never' be gone. Its not human nature. Trust me on this. There will never be a day in the entire life of mankind where there are no national and/or other borders. I'll bet you five bucks!

 

[Revisedsoul]

All borders will 'never' be gone. Its not human nature. Trust me on this. There will never be a day in the entire life of mankind where there are no national and/or other borders. I'll bet you five bucks!

and if it ever happened by that time 5 dollars would be worth alot less due to inflation

 

[iyfyoufhl]

here is my version of the future, the whole world is communist, there are not rich or poor, there are no boarders, there is not crime, there is not police nor military, we all travel by hover crafts, and the best of all THERE IS NO MONEY

 

[Raziaar]

and if it ever happened by that time 5 dollars would be worth alot less due to inflation

My five dollars will be worth the same.

 

[Raziaar]

here is my version of the future, the whole world is communist, there are not rich or poor, there are no boarders, there is not crime, there is not police nor military, we all travel by hover crafts, and the best of all THERE IS NO MONEY

And idealic dream, but alas, it is only a dream and will never come to fruition. I could be painted as a pessimist, but i'm only telling you as a realist. Harmony such as that will never be achieved on earth. In small pockets, maybe, but as a whole, never.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

And idealic dream, but alas, it is only a dream and will never come to fruition. I could be painted as a pessimist, but i'm only telling you as a realist. Harmony such as that will never be achieved on earth. In small pockets, maybe, but as a whole, never.

well, i guess this is where we are different, i believe in the best, you believe in standard (or reality)

but i do think that we (whole world) have to reach for the best and not say "oh, let's be realistic", i think we always have to reach for the best with a possitive attatud e

 

[Raziaar]

well, i guess this is where we are different, i believe in the best, you believe in standard (or reality)

Well actually, its more like believing in human nature and the inability for us to co-exist peacefully as different races/creeds/lifestyles/beliefs/dreams etc.

Unless in your communist world everybody is oppressed like the communist nations you have nowadays where nobody can do anything else but 'be' like carbon copies of everybody else in their activities and interests, etc.

You might have harmony there. But it is oppressed, destructive harmony. More of a discord if you ask me.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Well actually, its more like believing in human nature and the inability for us to co-exist peacefully as different races/creeds/lifestyles/beliefs/dreams etc.

Unless in your communist world everybody is oppressed like the communist nations you have nowadays where nobody can do anything else but 'be' like carbon copies of everybody else in their activities and interests, etc.

You might have harmony there. But it is oppressed, destructive harmony. More of a discord if you ask me.

nowadays communist is conducted wrongfully, i'm not trying to oppress anybody, i just think we can do better (global wise)

 

[seinfeldrules]

That author understates pretty much everything expect what Bush did. He claims Bush is leading an 'immoral' war, yet this war pales in comparison to Vietnam. Pure propoganda (well, it is an affiliate of Moveon.org). Let history write itself, his time isnt even over yet. I would be more inclined to name this the worst article ever rather than Bush as the worst President ever. I mean these mass demonsrations against Bush were supposed to happen this election, but all I saw was another victory for W while liberals stand on speechless after once again underestimating their opponent. Not everybody thinks the same way, and apparently that is hard for many liberals to accpet.

 

[No Limit]

That author understates pretty much everything expect what Bush did. He claims Bush is leading an 'immoral' war, yet this war pales in comparison to Vietnam. Pure propoganda (well, it is an affiliate of Moveon.org). Let history write itself, his time isnt even over yet. I would be more inclined to name this the worst article ever rather than Bush as the worst President ever. I mean these mass demonsrations against Bush were supposed to happen this election, but all I saw was another victory for W while liberals stand on speechless after once again underestimating their opponent. Not everybody thinks the same way, and apparently that is hard for many liberals to accpet.

Ok, so can you please give me a list of which presidents you think are worse? Sure, I'll go ahead and give you Nixon without aruging with you over it. Now name someone other than Nixon in the last 100 years that is worse and say why.

Also, look at the poll numbers to see why Bush won. Democrats didn't whore the bible to win.

 

[Vigilante]

we should beat up all the Bush lovers

You'd have to beat me up. And I'm not "lover", I'm a "supporter". Bush beats the hell out of Kerry.

*Puts on fire protective suit*

 

[seinfeldrules]

Now name someone other than Nixon in the last 100 years that is worse and say why.

- Carter (had no courage after the hostage situation, nobody respected him. He was the malaise presidency)
- Johnson (didnt have the tools to pull out of Vietnam so nobody respected his domestic policy)
- Clinton really did nothing regarding foreign policy other than **** up our military (wonder where the upgraded humvees are?, wonder where the intel is?) and help out NK. His inability to keep his Johnny in his pants didnt help out matters at home either. He pretty much just rode out the good economy he inherited.
- Nixon (as you said it speaks for itself)

Finally, you cannot judge a President before his time is up. That makes no sense. Nobody can predict what will happen over the next 3 or so years. So far Bush has avoided scandals that have plauged past Presidents (Lewinsky, Contra), that could change. NK could invade SK. SS could be changed. There are a million possible scenarios that could affect the overall image of his Presidency.

Also, look at the poll numbers to see why Bush won. Democrats didn't whore the bible to win.

You think that arrogance will help you in '08? Even after the election you are still talking down to the conservative base, it is unbelievable. If the Dems dont change, they wont win. You can be stubborn all you want and hope that someday people will all see the world in the same way (your way of course), but that wont happen.

And I'm not "lover", I'm a "supporter".

Agreed.

 

[No Limit]

First off I find it odd that each one on your list is a Democrat with the exception of Nixon. Doesn't really matter but I thought you said something about not being partisan in other threads (I could be wrong).

Anyway, I don't have time to get in to policies but lets just do a breakdown of the poll numbers.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/poll_clintonlegacy010117.html

Carter - 34% approval
Johnson - 49% approval
Clinton - 65% approval
Nixon - 24%

Our Friend Bush:

http://people-press.org/reports/images/244-1.gif

43%

Say what you will the only one (excluding Nixon) that people agreed with you on was Carter.

Now for you to say that Clinton was a bad president makes my brain hurt. Yes, like every idiotic republican claims Clinton got everything that was good handed to him and everything bad, even 4 years in to Bush's admin is Clinton's fault. I won't waste my time arguing this but I know you didn't win the debate on this when the topic came up in the past.

You think that arrogance will help you in '08? Even after the election you are still talking down to the conservative base, it is unbelievable. If the Dems dont change, they wont win. You can be stubborn all you want and hope that someday people will all see the world in the same way (your way of course), but that wont happen.

Will you please, for gods sake, stop trying to argue with me using Hannity talking points? I asked you to look at the exit poll numbers as back up for my claim, did you do this? Arrogance is on the part of Republicans; they think whoring the bible again in 06 and 08 will make Americans forget everything else and end up working ; I am telling you it wont.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

You'd have to beat me up. And I'm not "lover", I'm a "supporter". Bush beats the hell out of Kerry.

*Puts on fire protective suit*

forget about Kerry (he was a joke) name one good thing Bush did?

 

[Cons Himself]

i used to watch Hannity, only to laugh really.

Bush has messed up the American economy btw - youre heading for a recession soon, you have twin deficits - trade and budget.

thats what happens when you cut taxes and raise spending, you have to pay back the money you borrow at some point. as soon as china stop buying us t-bills youre in the shizzle.

and yes i am an economist. and i am dismal.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

First off I find it odd that each one on your list is a Democrat with the exception of Nixon. Doesn't really matter but I thought you said something about not being partisan in other threads (I could be wrong).

Anyway, I don't have time to get in to policies but lets just do a breakdown of the poll numbers.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/poll_clintonlegacy010117.html

Carter - 34% approval
Johnson - 49% approval
Clinton - 65% approval
Nixon - 24%

Our Friend Bush:

http://people-press.org/reports/images/244-1.gif

43%

Say what you will the only one (excluding Nixon) that people agreed with you on was Carter.

Now for you to say that Clinton was a bad president makes my brain hurt. Yes, like every idiotic republican claims Clinton got everything that was good handed to him and everything bad, even 4 years in to Bush's admin is Clinton's fault. I won't waste my time arguing this but I know you didn't win the debate on this when the topic came up in the past.


Will you please, for gods sake, stop trying to argue with me using Hannity talking points? I asked you to look at the exit poll numbers as back up for my claim, did you do this? Arrogance is on the part of Republicans; they think whoring the bible again in 06 and 08 will make Americans forget everything else and end up working ; I am telling you it wont.

did Nixon kill any us people due to his polices or actions (i actually don't know, tell me)

 

[T.H.C.138]

I like how whenever Clinton is brought up so is his sex life..

what about JFK? or the rest of the Kennedy family for that matter?

but he is a hero because he screwed a hot celebrity and not some skanky intern behind his wifes back...makes sense,right?

some would say the Kennedy's fortune was gained/augmented from some kind of mafia ties...

to sum it up,most people would benefit from reading some older less edited history BOOKS(not websites) or talking to someone who actually lived through those times..just a thought

sorry for being a bit off topic..back to the topic at hand..

honestly? no I can't think of another president that was worse than bush in the last century or so..

 

[iyfyoufhl]

I like how whenever Clinton is brought up so is his sex life..

what about JFK? or the rest of the Kennedy family for that matter?

but he is a hero because he screwed a hot celebrity and not some skanky intern behind his wifes back...makes sense,right?

some would say the Kennedy's fortune was gained/augmented from some kind of mafia ties...

to sum it up,most people would benefit from reading some older less edited history BOOKS(not websites) or talking to someone who actually lived through those times..just a thought

sorry for being a bit off topic..back to the topic at hand..

..

i think you are on to something, good

 

[seinfeldrules]

Now for you to say that Clinton was a bad president makes my brain hurt. Yes, like every idiotic republican claims Clinton got everything that was good handed to him and everything bad, even 4 years in to Bush's admin is Clinton's fault. I won't waste my time arguing this but I know you didn't win the debate on this when the topic came up in the past.

Just because Clinton was your poster boy doesnt make the argument invalid...

Say what you will the only one (excluding Nixon) that people agreed with you on was Carter.

Then why are people beginning to see that Truman was a good president despite his approval ratings? Hell, if Hitler had good approval ratings should we go on that?

First off I find it odd that each one on your list is a Democrat with the exception of Nixon. Doesn't really matter but I thought you said something about not being partisan in other threads (I could be wrong).

If the shoe fits... Nobody is claiming that somebody like Carter isnt a good person, but that doesnt necessarliy make them a good President.

Finally, you cannot judge a President before his time is up. That makes no sense. Nobody can predict what will happen over the next 3 or so years. So far Bush has avoided scandals that have plauged past Presidents (Lewinsky, Contra), that could change. NK could invade SK. SS could be changed. There are a million possible scenarios that could affect the overall image of his Presidency.

did Nixon kill any us people due to his polices or actions (i actually don't know, tell me)

America lost all confidence in the Gov't under him.

I like how whenever Clinton is brought up so is his sex life..

It was a big deal during his Presidency, should people just cut that period out of history? Furthermore, JFK was President during a different time in American history, the media and others were far less intense than they are now.

 

[No Limit]

Just because Clinton was your poster boy doesnt make the argument invalid...

He was hardly my poster boy, I can give you a list of the mosti influantial Democrats that are poster boys for the Democratic party but I won't waste my time; you know who they are.

Do you completely fail to see how idiotic you sound when you say all bad things are Clinton's fault and all good things were handed to him?

Amazing Economy - handed to Clinton
Current Bad Economy 5 years after Clinton - Clinton's Fault

Internet Boom and setting laws to expend computer communication - Due to Reagan

North Korea particiapaing in diplomatic talks - Clinton doesn't do it well
North Korea stops talks 4 years in to Bush's admin - Clinton's fault

Terrorism - Clinton's Fault
Bush ignoring memo in Aug 01 saying Osama will attack us with planes - Clinton's Fault

High gas prices - Clinton's Fault

Record 7 trillion dollar defecits even though we had a surplus in Clinton's years - Clinton's fault

Bush Having To Invade Iraq Which proves to be a quagmire - Clinton's Fault

I could go on but do you not see how idiotic that is? Can you point out one good thing Clinton did?

Then why are people beginning to see that Truman was a good president despite his approval ratings? Hell, if Hitler had good approval ratings should we go on that?

Must Republicans bring up Hitler in every argument. Yes, if you have independent polls from Hitler at the end of his term then yes, it will be valid.

Truman had a approval rating of over 60%, not sure what your point is there.

It was a big deal during his Presidency, should people just cut that period out of history? Furthermore, JFK was President during a different time in American history, the media and others were far less intense than they are now.

yes, good excuse. All the other affairs don't matter because the media was different. After Clinton's sex scandal he still have over a 60% approval rating; your poster boy Bush has been on a down hill since 9/11 and is getting darn close to the 30% range. Again, Clinton was a monster but everyone else gets a pass.

 

[Cons Himself]

as an economist i can tell you that the current economic problems in america are due to Bush cutting taxes whilst raising spending and borrowing abroad in US dollars (selling t-bills to chinese etc) to finance it.

eventually the money will have to be paid back and when it does - taxes will rise and spending will fall and America will go into a recession.

nuff said?

 

[seinfeldrules]

Amazing Economy - handed to Clinton
Current Bad Economy 5 years after Clinton - Clinton's Fault

Clinton did a good job to keep a balanced budget. That I will give him.

Internet Boom and setting laws to expend computer communication - Due to Reagan

No, remember Al Gore invented the internet...

North Korea particiapaing in diplomatic talks - Clinton doesn't do it well
North Korea stops talks 4 years in to Bush's admin - Clinton's fault

Clinton pretty much gave the NKs what they wanted. What did we get out of it? They pull out of the agreement.

Terrorism - Clinton's Fault
Bush ignoring memo in Aug 01 saying Osama will attack us with planes - Clinton's Fault

Terrorism was no one president's fault...

High gas prices - Clinton's Fault

Again, no one president's fault. If anyone is to blame it would be either OPEC or China for demanding (needing) more oil.

Record 7 trillion dollar defecits even though we had a surplus in Clinton's years - Clinton's fault

Refer to number one.

Bush Having To Invade Iraq Which proves to be a quagmire - Clinton's Fault

How about Somalia? Man Clinton really nailed it there. How about bombing Iraq the night of his impeachment hearings?

"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program "

A hint, that isnt GWBush or any Republican...

I could go on but do you not see how idiotic that is? Can you point out one good thing Clinton did?

Refer to number one.

In March 1952, Harry Truman's approval had been dragged to 25% by the Korean War. Truman won a full term after serving a partial one following Roosevelt's death, but ended his 1952 re-election campaign after losing the New Hampshire primary.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2003-12-26-approval-ratings_x.htm

Must Republicans bring up Hitler in every argument. Yes, if you have independent polls from Hitler at the end of his term then yes, it will be valid.

How about somebody like Rosa Parks? I'm sure her approval rating back in the 60s would be quite low. Does that mean history should regard her in that light? No. History needs to be its own judge. It is idiotic to base history on approval ratings.

yes, good excuse. All the other affairs don't matter because the media was different.

Huh? That is the reason why his affairs werent dragged into public light, should I lie and blame it on something else? Where did I say I supported him fooling around like that?

Again, Clinton was a monster but everyone else gets a pass.

Just as Bush is a monster to you...

 

[No Limit]

as an economist i can tell you that the current economic problems in america are due to Bush cutting taxes whilst raising spending and borrowing abroad in US dollars (selling t-bills to chinese etc) to finance it.

eventually the money will have to be paid back and when it does - taxes will rise and spending will fall and America will go into a recession.

nuff said?

No, no, no, Its Clinton's fault you Kool-Aide drinking liberal. Bush can't do anything wrong, he is Jesus's son.

 

[Cons Himself]

any trained economist knows Bush has fked the American economy. part of it was the natural progression of the busieness cycle, yes, but his policies have been pro-cyclical unfortunately, and have only made matters worse.

and im not a liberal, over here in the UK i voted Conservative.