Canada allows 300 000 baby seals to be clobberd to death

[Gray Fox]

So what do you think about that people, you can say it is to reduce the population down, but they got on fine without us in the past + 1 bullet to the head is enough for that, you do not need to clobber them and then skin them alive. Ooh and I would really like to hear from our canadian friends on this matter.

http://www.seashepherd.org/seals/seals.html

On the next link they have a seals killed timer:
http://www.protectseals.org/

 

[Sparta]

Couldn't you just rename this thread to "Flamebait for CptStern" ?

But on-topic that is really horrible.

 

[pEchep]

this is horrible but the evil side of me got the better... and laughed... hard. I love how canadians are neutral when it comes to human wars, but when it comes to media attention(tom green), seals, or hocky the canadians are first in line for war!!!

 

[Danimal]

Hmm, I would support it if it didn't have the clubbing. I mean, if a species is overpopulated than you have no choice. I am starting to think it is the same case with humans... way too much of us.

 

[Sparta]

Hmm, I would support it if it didn't have the clubbing. I mean, if a species is overpopulated than you have no choice. I am starting to think it is the same case with humans... way too much of us.

When i first read that i thought it was a great point, so i reduced the local population by the number of my household. I think i can hear sirens, brb....

 

[CptStern]

the thing about the seal hunt is that for the most part culling is done to protect the fish stocks as the pelt market doesnt support the amout of seals killed. It's truely a disgusting and barbaric practice that needs to be banned ...thankfully there's some animal rights groups pushing for legislation that'll protect seals but it's a small step to solve a big problem. Support your animal rights groups in your local area cuz just as many dispicable happen all over the world.

Oh and btw this thread isnt flamebail IMO as I'm not unilaterally supportive of everything my country does. In fact I'm mostly critical of the federal government's stance on animal rights, it's draconian at best and outright destructive at worst.

 

[Bodacious]

I am an animal rights activist.

I support P.E.T.A

 

[CptStern]

Hmm, I would support it if it didn't have the clubbing. I mean, if a species is overpopulated than you have no choice. I am starting to think it is the same case with humans... way too much of us.

it's not because seals are overpopulated but rather because the cod (cod fish) stocks are underpopulated

 

[Murray_H]

This BBC article on it has a picture of whats happening (it's small, but don't look if you don't like the subject matter/blood)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4392217.stm

 

[Kangy]

it's not because seals are overpopulated but rather because the cod (cod fish) stocks are underpopulated

Yeah, this is much kinder than letting them starve to death.

Go get some seals witha golf club!

 

[Tr0n]

Seal clubbing...fun for the whole family.

 

[CptStern]

Yeah, this is much kinder than letting them starve to death.

Go get some seals witha golf club!

no, you misunderstand. The seals have plenty of cod to eat ..there's more than enough cod to feed the 5 million+ seals. But the cod stocks are also the most heavily fished area in canada. There's a ban on cod fishing in that area because of overfishing for countless generations. Humans are killing seals to protect THEIR source of cod not to protect the seals

 

[Kangy]

Oh, well, it's not very nice to do that. But at the end of the day, they're killing a tiny, tiny portion of them.

Go geddem (and bring me a hat made out a baby seal).

 

[el Chi]

Seal clubbing...fun for the whole family.

Indeed! It's at times like these I wished I lived in Canada.
Sod it! I'm going down the zoo...

Oooh a joke, a joke!
"A baby seal walks into a club..." <Badum-tssshhh>

 

[CptStern]

yes but most are killed by guns, the rest are clubbed by a long pole with what looks like a giant nail on the end ...the seal is clubbed twice in the head ..it's barbaric disgusting and completely needless

edit: guys please dont poke fun at it. Many of the seals that are killed are cubs. They dont exactly have the most humane of deaths. If you've ever seen it happen the screams of the seal will haunt you ..well unless you enjoy that sort of thing as I suspect some people here do

 

[el Chi]

I was kidding in a sick humour kind of a way. Of course it's disgusting.

 

[CptStern]

ya I know ...it's just that I rarely ever talk about animal issues because so few people respect animals (eg: bodacious' spam) and it always turns into peta bashing

 

[Tr0n]

Peta sux0rz teh big one.

Really tho...can't they just use all guns to make it quicker?

 

[el Chi]

Pfft - here in the UK, we love animals TOO much.
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) gets more sponsorship than the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC)
animal cruelty is bad, but for f*ck's sake, that's disgusting.

 

[CptStern]

I'm not so sure about that ..I cant really comment of the UK but in most parts of the world there is little to no animals rights. Governments rarely fund animal groups as most of their money comes from donations. Childrens groups have the benefit of government funds as well private donations. Trust me, as a parent I can attest at how generous other people are when a child's welfare is in jeopordy. That said, there's many problems as well ..as a former teacher of mentally handicapped kids I can attest that the government is often slow to move when a child is in need. The fact that the government doesnt pay for the bulk of treatment necessary for their development is a testament to how bad things can be. Yet the military in most western countries is never short on cash, that's truely disgusting

 

[CptStern]

Peta sux0rz teh big one.

you prove my point

Really tho...can't they just use all guns to make it quicker?

the problem is that it's commercial hunting ...profit over humanity

 

[Bodacious]

Peta sux0rz teh big one.

Really tho...can't they just use all guns to make it quicker?

Bullets are a lot more expensive than swinging a club. That and the pelts are ruined.


From what I have read this isn't that big a deal:

...a growth in demand for seal pelts from eastern Europe and China led the Canadian government to issue a quota in 2003 that allows hunters to kill 975,000 seals over three years.

Canada says the seal population is "healthy and abundant" and three times the size it was in the Seventies.

Control hunting is done all the time here in Texas. From rabbits to deer and probably some birds. Grated the deer are killed more humanely (because you can't just walk right up to them and club them).

Animal rights is laughable. I am willing to bet at least one of those hunters stake his and his family's livelyhood on clubbing those seals. Would you take someone's food of their table to save some seals pain?

 

[KoreBolteR]

why dont they throw them too antartica?

there must be another way to this..? killing all 300 000 to die is a bit harsh isnt it, and cruel (of course).

some fanatic priests might even say that this is as bad as the nazis killing jews.... lol

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

It's Clobberin' Time!!

Needed to be said. :cheese:

 

[Gray Fox]

The simple solution, 1 bullet through the brain if you really need to kill them, and for the pelt that doesn't even matter that much cause the pelt fromn the head is rarly used. And for the record this wasn't flambait, I really wanted to know how canadiens felt about it, and yes certainly stern, cause it's their country that is doing this.

 

[A True Canadian]

Us Canadians are considered by many to be a hunting nation. Using a club with a nail in it on a slow land animal like a seal appears to compensate for using a rifle on a fast land animal. Don't get me wrong though, I don't like this one bit. There should definately be a more humane way of controlling the rising seal population than clubbing. But going around and killing seals with a loaded weapon still sounds just as bad.

It's rather upsetting actually. ;(

 

[CptStern]

There should definately be a more humane way of controlling the rising seal population than clubbing. But going around and killing seals with a loaded weapon still sounds just as bad.

It's rather upsetting actually. ;(

it was never about controlling the population of seals for their own good ..it's population control so that the fish stocks will return to normal so that fishing quotas can return to normal

 

[CptStern]

Control hunting is done all the time here in Texas. From rabbits to deer and probably some birds. Grated the deer are killed more humanely (because you can't just walk right up to them and club them).

"Is It True Seals Are Jeopardizing the Canadian Cod Fishery?

There is no evidence to support this contention. Some fishing industry lobby groups try to claim that seals must be culled to protect fish stocks, but nothing could be further from the truth.

The scientific community agrees that the true cause of the depletion of fish stocks off Canada's East Coast is human over-fishing. Blaming seals for disappearing fish is a convenient way for the fishing industry to divert attention from its irresponsible and environmentally destructive practices that continue today.

In truth, seals, like all marine mammals, are a vital part of the ecosystem of the Northwest Atlantic. Harp seals, which are the primary target of the hunt, are opportunistic feeders, meaning they consume small amounts of many different species. So while approximately 3% of a harp seal's diet may be commercially fished cod, harp seals also eat many significant predators of cod, such as squid. That is why some scientists are concerned that culling harp seals could further inhibit recovery of commercially valuable fish stocks in the Northwest Atlantic."

Animal rights is laughable.
I am willing to bet at least one of those hunters stake his and his family's livelyhood on clubbing those seals. Would you take someone's food of their table to save some seals pain?

"Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, a small fraction of their annual incomes from sealing—and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in Newfoundland, where 90% of sealers live, there are only 4,000 fishermen who actively participate in the seal hunt each year."


source ...oh look it's an american source




"living is easy with eyes closed" - John Lennon

 

[The Monkey]

I would've supported it if it was done quick. With a too big population you got no choise but to kill some of them.

 

[CptStern]

there isnt an overpopulation problem!!!! there's an underpopulated cod fish problem that's man made ..it's not the seals fault

 

[The Monkey]

So the seals are eating the cod, and thanks to human fishing/pollution they are running low? Even if it's man made you still have to deal with it. What do you reckon to do, stern?

 

[KoreBolteR]

stern, the seal population has tripled since the 70's... obviously its too high.

i say let nature take its cause. makes me sick these seals have to die for for some fish.

 

[short recoil]

I reckon they should lower the strain on the cod first.
Who's up for going into a maternity hospital and smashing loads of babies in the head?
There are too many humans on this earth.

 

[The Monkey]

I reckon they should lower the strain on the cod first.
Who's up for going into a maternity hospital and smashing loads of babies in the head?
There are too many humans on this earth.

Thhat's not the point. Humans are more worth than seals. Although I agree, it's horrible, but you cant compare it to the deaths of human babies.

 

[short recoil]

Thhat's not the point. Humans are more worth than seals. Although I agree, it's horrible, but you cant compare it to the deaths of human babies.

Are humans worth more, only to us,
We are certainly worth less to the environment.

And i didn't say its horrible that they are culling the seals.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Are humans worth more, only to us,
We are certainly worth less to the environment.

And i didn't say its horrible that they are culling the seals.

i agree, its disgraceful that us humans have to stoop down to this level once again..

would we like it if the seals came after us with clubs? no.

they shouldnt kill 1 seal, let alone 300,000. this pisses me off.

once again, its all about money, all about trades.

 

[DrDevin]

Yes this is mans problem first we overfish the cod so there are not many left, we also hunted many seals and their numbers were very small until people came along and lobbied to stop the hunting of seals. Now we have killed seals and cod. Next the seal killing stops thanks to people and the seal population increases rapidly which only increases the problem with the cod. Now we have very little cod and lots of seals. If you want the cod to come back they will have to kill some seals along with better fishing laws. I think it is fine to get rid of some. Cod are very important to canada especially the newfound land. If the fishing stops newfoundland would be almost unpopulated except for miners and people who work at the hydroelectric dams. I am sorry but I think people are more important then animals. Hundreds of animals are killed everyday so why should seals be different? Are they nicer to look at? By the way I am canadian and I have read up on this issue.

 

[Gray Fox]

But stern made a good point, those seals do not only eat the cod, they also eat their predators, so this may have an adverse affect, besides like you all say humans are more important then annimals, but if the ecosystem gets ****ed up permanently because of this it could kost even more people lives.

 

[short recoil]

But stern made a good point, those seals do not only eat the cod, they also eat their predators, so this may have an adverse affect

Well, it was in perfect balance before humans got so strong......

besides like you all say humans are more important then annimals, but if the ecosystem gets ****ed up permanently because of this it could kost even more people lives.

Well we don't all say humans are more important, because i don't.
If the ecosystem gets ****ed up permanently humans will die, many of them.
As such nature has happened to develop good ways of controlling large populations and keeping things is balance, humans have the ability to go against a lot of this and this is why we are faced with human over population.
Disease used to be the thing to keep humans under control, but look what happened to the population as soon as antibiotics and awareness of disease occured.
With knowledge of technology to have much power humans must also take the knowledge of controlling their breeding.
I have vowed never to have a child.........

 

[Gray Fox]

And yet we need more responsible people like you.