Christian right enlists 800 lawyers for christmas fight

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so in other words christians have made a pact with satan ;)

Tension Over Christmas Observance Begins

"This week, the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal group based in Scottsdale, Ariz., announced that its 800 cooperating attorneys have volunteered to handle without fee complaints about "improper attempts to censor the celebration of Christmas in schools and on public property."

A similar information campaign is being waged by Liberty Counsel, another Christian legal group based in Orlando, Fla., and the Christian Educators Association International, representing 8,000 public school teachers.

The topic also is the subject of a polemic by the Fox News Channel's John Gibson that is selling briskly: "The War on Christmas: How the Liberal Plot to Ban the Sacred Christian Holiday Is Worse Than You Thought."

Gibson, who calls himself a "non-practicing Christian," notes that his Jewish son researched the book. He says agitation against Christmas observance comes primarily from "secularists, so-called humanists, trial lawyers, cultural relativists and liberal, guilt-wracked Christians."



holy **** these people are annoying:


"The American Civil Liberties Union is targeted in another new book, "The ACLU vs. America: Exposing the Agenda to Redefine Moral Values" by ADF's Alan Sears and Craig Osten. The ACLU doesn't initiate all the complaints and lawsuits, the authors say, but it created the environment for widespread anti-Christmas efforts."

those damn ACLU bastards stole christmas!!



"Even as Christmas is suppressed, these writers complain, schools sometimes encourage Ramadan, Hanukkah and Kwanzaa observances."

oh dear god NOOO!!! they dont force ramadan down our throats do they?!? oh my impressionable self might be offended by the sight of someone lighting a menorah or observing a fast ....earth to christian people: YOUR HOLIDAY HAS BEEN SUBVERTED AND TURNED INTO "ANNUAL GIFT GIVING DAY"
 
Oh shit, it's gotten so bad that I had no idea what christmas was until I googled it three minutes ago!@ :O

Why in the hell are people acting like they deserve to have a christian religious ritual practiced in public school?
 
because baby jesus would have wanted it that way




...for now on I'm using the "baby jesus" justification for everything ...late for work - baby jesus, speeding ticket, baby jesus, punching a jehovah's witness in the adam's apple ..baby jesus again
 
wow cptstern youre so funny. PUNCH IN THE ADAMS APPLE LOL. too bad you are too old and frail to lift your withered arm and actually strike a jehovas witness in the trachea.

people do hate christmas. liberals, and douchebags like the turds that complain about "under god" in the pledge but NEVER complain about getting christmas vacation. there is some supression of christmas in public schools and other venues. why do you even care, it isnt even your country.

i thought we were going to stop these idiotic threads and start making solutions. im tired of coming here every day and being told how shitty my country is from some hackneyed canuck.
 
I thinks it's sad that they feel they have to hire lawyers to defend Christmas.

But I feel I have the perfect solution, we get all the other religions to join in the fun Christian celebrations, and we celebrate the fun ones they do. More holidays for everyone! :)
 
gh0st said:
wow cptstern youre so funny. PUNCH IN THE ADAMS APPLE LOL. too bad you are too old and frail to lift your withered arm and actually strike a jehovas witness in the trachea.

people do hate christmas. liberals, and douchebags like the turds that complain about "under god" in the pledge but NEVER complain about getting christmas vacation. there is some supression of christmas in public schools and other venues. why do you even care, it isnt even your country.

i thought we were going to stop these idiotic threads and start making solutions. im tired of coming here every day and being told how shitty my country is from some hackneyed canuck.




solution: leave
 
Why is everyone out for christmas? It is such a happy time when family gets together and people have a good time all around. There is just something about it that makes my soul feel good.
 
Man I love christmas:

I get time off school, great food, family, gifts and time to fire up my snowmobile.

I say who cares? Let christians celebrate the holiday for what they believe it is and everyone else to take time to see their families. I do agree that people should practise their religion somewhere other then school. I go to school to learn not pray. That is what church is for!

I accept any religion as long as it doesnt cause any harm.
 
It wouldn't suprise me if they tried to get the name of christmas changed to something like holiday day, because after all the name contains the word "christ"
 
"Annual gift giving day" is better ...besides christmas is no longer a religious holiday ..I have jewish friends that celebrate christmas (ok not in their homes but they do attend christmas festivities)
 
yeah, it is a federal holiday, and church and state are seperated. Maybe it shows how everyone is a little bit christian at heart.
 
gh0st said:
wow cptstern youre so funny. PUNCH IN THE ADAMS APPLE LOL. too bad you are too old and frail to lift your withered arm and actually strike a jehovas witness in the trachea.

people do hate christmas. liberals, and douchebags like the turds that complain about "under god" in the pledge but NEVER complain about getting christmas vacation. there is some supression of christmas in public schools and other venues. why do you even care, it isnt even your country.

i thought we were going to stop these idiotic threads and start making solutions. im tired of coming here every day and being told how shitty my country is from some hackneyed canuck.

Jeez man... get a grip on yourself.
 
LIBERALS ARE THE GRINCH

people do hate christmas. liberals, and douchebags like the turds that complain about "under god" in the pledge but NEVER complain about getting christmas vacation. there is some supression of christmas in public schools and other venues.

Wow man. Your country is ****ed up (okay, so I'm onyl saying that to annoy you). Seriously though, who the **** 'hates Christmas'? Certainly nobody does over here.
 
Everybody loves Christmas.

What I think should be done... is the group ignores whatever stuff people are trying to do regarding christmas as a religious holiday.

Fact is... people will always celebrate christmas, and they do all over the world, in various cultures. May not be called Christmas, but its the same, and its a celebration of family and friends, and a time for giving. There will always be christmas trees in public areas, strewn with tinsel and the other stuff, lights hanging all over to spread the holiday cheer.

I think it'd be wise for the christian group, and I say this as a christian, to back down, and just let everything remain as it is, and they can celebrate it amongst themselves, while letting everybody who doesn't celebrate it as a religious thing, enjoy it as a general holiday, the best of the year to many.

Cause... you can't start infringing on peoples rights to set up christmas decorations on public property when it has nothing to do with religion at all for their celebrations.

And well... who would want to try to snuff out a holiday that is celebrated by millions as a non religious holiday? Just because its also widely celebrated by christians, who mark it as the birth of Jesus? Well... might as well destroy Easter too, which marks the ressurection of Jesus. But again... Easter is generally celebrated as a non religious holiday for most, so it'll always stay.
 
There's always two sides to every coin.

Although in America people are fighting to force Christmas down people's throats, over here in England it's pretty much becoming taboo to even say "Christmas". Towns are trying to rename it "Winterval" and the like, and it seems, in an effort to avoid offending minorities, anything remotely Christian is being outlawed. Really strange why our government does that, because 9/10 non-Christian guys over here don't mind people talking about Jesus.

There never seems to be a middle ground to take these days.

-Angry Lawyer
 
[SARCASM]It's because there's so many liberals in europe in comparison... and liberals hate christians. They don't hate any other religion, just christians.[/SARCASM]
 
"Annual gift giving day" is better ...besides christmas is no longer a religious holiday ..I have jewish friends that celebrate christmas (ok not in their homes but they do attend christmas festivities)

A few Jews celebrate Christmas so we have to re-name it not to offend people?
I'm going to celebrate Hannukah or whatever, then demand it be renamed because I'm not actually part of that religion. Hardly logical now is it?
 
Christ is going to be angry when he comes back and sees that no one can say his name or are persecuted for it.
 
Nah, he wouldn't be angry. It's not his style. He'd be just kinda...disappointed.
 
Actually, he'd go and rent out Wembley Stadium and host the largest ROCK FESTIVAL EVER, because JESUS IS F*CKING METAL! And then people would start believing, except those who aren't much into rock music.

-Angry Lawyer
 
I think Christmas is fine just the way it is, name and all. Most Americans are Christains and would want to see it the holiday named that way. Religion plays a very important role in American culture, like it or not, its fact. That is a fundamental difference between us Americans and most other WEstern societies.


P.S.- Ghost cpt. stern isn't out to solve anything on this post. If he wanted to get anyhting done, he would go out an actively campaign for his viewpoint to the community (the destruction of the American governeemt, its people and its culture) or do something productive.
 
southernman17 said:
I think Christmas is fine just the way it is, name and all. Most Americans are Christains and would want to see it the holiday named that way. Religion plays a very important role in American culture, like it or not, its fact. That is a fundamental difference between us Americans and most other WEstern societies.


P.S.- Ghost cpt. stern isn't out to solve anything on this post. If he wanted to get anyhting done, he would go out an actively campaign for his viewpoint to the community (the destruction of the American governeemt, its people and its culture) or do something productive.


:upstare: ...and you know me so well cuz we've met and exchanged ideas and ideology? right?
 
Jandor said:
A few Jews celebrate Christmas so we have to re-name it not to offend people?

says who?

Jandor said:
I'm going to celebrate Hannukah or whatever, then demand it be renamed because I'm not actually part of that religion. Hardly logical now is it?

you're not making any sense ..where did I say that because people who dont subscribe to christianity celebrate christmas it must be changed to suit their needs?
 
CptStern said:
"Annual gift giving day" is better ...besides christmas is no longer a religious holiday ..I have jewish friends that celebrate christmas (ok not in their homes but they do attend christmas festivities)
I would have to disagree. In recent years I've felt Christmas.. well at least here in this humble city, move back towards family and church.
 
You could completely remove religion from Christmas and it would still exist as a widely accepted annual tradition. It would keep the name too, no doubt.

Shit's changed.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
I would have to disagree. In recent years I've felt Christmas.. well at least here in this humble city, move back towards family and church.


ya but christmas doesnt revolve around golden valley arizona ..that may be your personal pov but the reality is that more people celebrate christmas as a non-religious holiday
 
It was funny. On Christmas, my grandma made a cake. It said "Happy Birthday Jesus."
 
actually there is one good thing about this thread.

the title. if you came up with it stern i seriously have to give you props.
 
well to add something, I'm not con-christmas, but I do get pretty ****ing tired of me and my friends being called satan worshippers because we're not christian. Public schools suck, but taking out christmas is not going to help.
 
"Christian right enlists 800 lawyers for christmas fight "

Will it be televised? Is this going be a WWF-style lawyer-on-lawyer mega puch up, live, on xmas day?
Damn I wish I had cable!
 
I would bet up to five hundred dollars on Angry Lawyer coming out on top.

(Rape dollars, of course.)
 
CptStern said:
you're not making any sense ..where did I say that because people who dont subscribe to christianity celebrate christmas it must be changed to suit their needs?


CptStern said:
"Annual gift giving day" is better ...besides christmas is no longer a religious holiday


Excuse me for misunderstanding.
 
Since when are people 'outlawing' christmas?

The problem isn't christmas.
The problem is that tax dollars are being spent on promoting it in secular institutions.
 
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