CIA flying prisons to secret prisons to be tortured/killed

[dream431ca]

UPDATE!!: Sorry people! the title has a mistake! CIA flying "PRISONERS" to secret prisons!
Here's an interesting story about the Bush administrations "No torture" thing.

The CIA is flying prisoners (probably ones with a connection to some form of terrorist thing), to secret prisons using private jets to be interrogated and tortured, and sometimes killed.

Amid a growing row in the US over torture, a list of "enhanced interrogation techniques" used by CIA agents in secret prisons - including near-drowning, freezing, sleep deprivation, shaking and slapping - has been leaked. In at least one case, a prisoner has died.

The existence of these detention facilities, and what happens inside them, are the most secret aspect of America's "war on terror".

The CIA uses Six "Enhanced" Techinques for interrogation..these techniques involve torture:

THE CIA'S SIX 'ENHANCED' TECHNIQUES

CIA interrogators say they are allowed to use six "enhanced interrogation techniques", each progressively tougher, on top al-Qa'ida detainees. Their superiors have to give separate approval for every prisoner and every method, all claimed to be legal.

THE ATTENTION GRAB: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him. Israel, the only democracy to have openly debated coercion of prisoners, declared this legal in 1987, but the Supreme Court ruled it out in 1999

THE ATTENTION SLAP: Interrogators may deliver "an open-handed slap", which is "aimed at causing pain and triggering fear"

THE BELLY SLAP: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage

STANDING FOR HOURS: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to a ring bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are claimed to be effective in yielding confessions

COLD TREATMENT: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept at around 10C, and constantly doused with cold water. Misapplication of this technique is blamed for the death of a detainee in Kabul

WATERBOARDING: The prisoner is bound to a board, head slightly below the feet. Plastic is wrapped over his face and water is poured over him, or his head is lowered into a bath. The gag reflex is automatic; few can endure more than a matter of seconds

The link to the full article:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article331070.ece

 

[CptStern]

here are the cia field manuals on torture:


KUBARK COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
INTERROGATION

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0397/kubark06.htm



Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB27/02-01.htm



btw there currently 22 cases of homicide under investigation ...out of 44 mysterious deaths, 22 have been labeled as "murder" by the coronors who examined the bodies

 

[Glirk Dient]

Wait...the training manual says torture is prohibited by law...how does that promote the use of torture?

 

[CptStern]

that was added later after manuals turned up in cia operations in south america: read this


"CIA officials attached a new prologue page on the manual stating: "The use of force, mental torture, threats, insults or exposure to inhumane treatment of any kind as an aid to interrogation is prohibited by law, both international and domestic; it is neither authorized nor condoned"-making it clear that authorities were well aware these abusive practices were illegal and immoral, even as they continued then and now. "

 

[Llama]

Disgusting. Truly disgusting.

 

[Icarusintel]

hmmm... and it's not like anyone else in the world uses torture... and this is hardly rough stuff compared to some

 

[CptStern]

hmmm... and it's not like anyone else in the world uses torture... and this is hardly rough stuff compared to some

22 murders while under interrogation ....not rough?

 

[Mith']

hmmm... and it's not like anyone else in the world uses torture... and this is hardly rough stuff compared to some

I'm sure Hague will understand.. :rolling:

 

[The Monkey]

It happened in Sweden too. Two CIA plans landed in Sweden in 2002, kidnaped two Swedish citizens, and took them to Epygt. They haven't been heard from since. It's illegal to deport a Swedish citizen anywhere, and yet our foreign minister at the time, Anna Lindh, approved to the CIA agenst doing this. If she hadn't been stabbed to death a couple of years ago she would certainly have been fired, possibly even charged for her crimes.

 

[dream431ca]

hmmm... and it's not like anyone else in the world uses torture... and this is hardly rough stuff compared to some

UH OH!! What's that sound!!?? IT'S THE EXCUSE TRAIN!! CHOO!! CHOO!!

Concidering torture is used by Uncivilized countries. This makes the US look extremely bad..as the US is supposed to be for peace and freedom.

 

[Absinthe]

UH OH!! What's that sound!!?? IT'S THE EXCUSE TRAIN!! CHOO!! CHOO!!

Spot on. This is like saying "Well, at least we don't eat babies! That justifies our torture!".

 

[Solaris]

here are the cia field manuals on torture:


KUBARK COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
INTERROGATION

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0397/kubark06.htm



Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB27/02-01.htm



btw there currently 22 cases of homicide under investigation ...out of 44 mysterious deaths, 22 have been labeled as "murder" by the coronors who examined the bodies

Just reading that, it looks very effective, god help anyone they catch, the b****ds.

Truly Disgusting

 

[Icarusintel]

UH OH!! What's that sound!!?? IT'S THE EXCUSE TRAIN!! CHOO!! CHOO!!

Concidering torture is used by Uncivilized countries. This makes the US look extremely bad..as the US is supposed to be for peace and freedom.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_on_re_as/china_un_torture
this disgusts me more than anything the CIA is doing

ok, call me an apologist, or what you will, i'm taking a stand, and if you don't agree with it, fine, but I tend to just accept the fact that there's a lot of shit that happens in every single country, including the US, that are violations of so-called "human rights", which have been given out by an international body which wields no real power

as far as i am concerned, the first priority of any government is protection of the citizens of its country, human rights come afterwards

what good are rights if you're not alive to enjoy them?

 

[Absinthe]

what good are rights if you're not alive to enjoy them?

What good is life if you have no rights.

 

[Cooper]

If what I am getting from you is correct, you'd rather be dead then have no rights?

You'd rather be dead then try and fight for those rights of yours and your children Absinthe?

Seems like a defeatist view to me. Your choice though.

 

[Glirk Dient]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_on_re_as/china_un_torture
this disgusts me more than anything the CIA is doing

ok, call me an apologist, or what you will, i'm taking a stand, and if you don't agree with it, fine, but I tend to just accept the fact that there's a lot of shit that happens in every single country, including the US, that are violations of so-called "human rights", which have been given out by an international body which wields no real power

as far as i am concerned, the first priority of any government is protection of the citizens of its country, human rights come afterwards

what good are rights if you're not alive to enjoy them?

Hey...don't dispute them! The U.S. is the devil and that's all there is to it!

 

[CptStern]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_on_re_as/china_un_torture
this disgusts me more than anything the CIA is doing

ok, call me an apologist,

I'd rather call you a hypocrite because it's fitting in this particular issue. China justifies it's use of torture because the majority are political prisoners who are a "threat" to national security ...how is what you do any different?

or what you will, i'm taking a stand, and if you don't agree with it, fine, but I tend to just accept the fact that there's a lot of shit that happens in every single country, including the US, that are violations of so-called "human rights", which have been given out by an international body which wields no real power

no, torture is against US law ..but I dont see what this has to do with the UN. You're saying that it's justifiable because other countries do it ..but you fail to mention that the majority of countries that practice torture are run by tyrants and despots .....like saddam ...didnt a witness take the stand yesterday to testify on torture committed by saddam and his henchmen? Isnt this the same thing?

as far as i am concerned, the first priority of any government is protection of the citizens of its country, human rights come afterwards

explain to me how torturing pow's is protecting the citizens of the US ...you caused this in the first place by invading iraq, they wouldnt need protecting if you hadnt been up to no good for the last 50 years pushing your imperialist agenda ...it just sickens me how some of you wash your hands of torture or murder just because it's your country that's doing it

 

[Glirk Dient]

From what I can tell the CIA wasn't "torturing" as defined by law byt more finding loopholes in that law and borderline to torture kind of stuff.

 

[CptStern]

From what I can tell the CIA wasn't "torturing" as defined by law byt more finding loopholes in that law and borderline to torture kind of stuff.

well you werent looking too hard ...even the FBI called it torture:


http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/052505/


oh and I know you'lll your usual ignorant statement like "aclu supports terrorism" or some such nonsense. These are FBI documents, written from first hand accounts by fbi agents:



"Records detainee stating that "he had been beaten unconscious approximately three or four weeks ago when he was still at Camp X-ray. According to REDACTED an unknown number of guards entered his cell, unprovoked, and started spitting and cursing at him. The guards called him a "son of a bitch" and a "bastard," then told him he was crazy. REDACTED rolled onto his stomach to protect himself . . . A soldier . . . jumped on his back and started beating him in the face. REDACTED then choked him until he passed out. REDACTED stated that REDACTED was beating him because REDACTED was a Muslim and REDACTED is a Christian. REDACTED indicated there was a female guard named REDACTED who was also beating him and grabbed his head and beat it into the cell floor."


Notes, "[w]hen REDACTED was turned over to US authorities, he was beaten by the US military forces. REDACTED was turned over to US authorities REDACTED. He was taken by helicopter to an unknown location where he was beaten. While his eyes were covered, he was kicked in the stomach and back by several individuals. He noted American English accents. After being moved to an unknown facility in Bagram, his head was placed against the cement floor and his head was kicked. As a result of other beatings in Bagram, REDACTED received a broken shoulder. During one evening REDACTED was left outside of the facility where he was being held. The ground was wet and it was snowing. He was wearing only pants and a ragged shirt. As a result of being out in the cold, he became unconscious. . . . . When he was moved to Kandahar, he was not beaten as frequently and severely. Periodically, REDACTED was kicked and pushed. He was dragged three times to interrogations. On one occasion during prayer time, a soldier placed his foot on REDACTED head and sat on his head. REDACTED stated that the soldiers wore tan and brown camouflage uniforms, with US flags on their arms."



by the book my ass

 

[Solaris]

From what I can tell the CIA wasn't "torturing" as defined by law byt more finding loopholes in that law and borderline to torture kind of stuff.

If they were doing it to you, you'd call it torture.