Clerks II.

[TurboBadger]

http://clerks2.com

 

[Bull Goose Loony]

rather old, but awesome nonetheless

 

[bryanf445]

rather old, but awesome nonetheless

so is it really going to come out or is this a joke?

ehh ill just imdb it

edit: its true I guess

 

[Direwolf]

Oh yeah, they've been putting out these hilarious video podcasts as they've done the filming.

 

[IonizeMyAtoms]

Some trailers and stuff here
http://www.clerks2.com/

Hurray! Another retarded movie from the over-rated hack Kevin Smith! The original Clerks was his only good movie, and I'm sure he'll **** up this one, but all the teenagers will eat up the dumpster humour

 

[DeusExMachina]

Whoa. WHOA.

Smith is a pretty good writer/director. Didn't you ever see Chasing Amy or Dogma?

 

[VictimOfScience]

Skeptical of this one, but I'll remain cautiously optimistic. The original was pure genius, so who knows? But Jersey Girl? That's one taint that will follow him the rest of his days....

 

[Yuri]

Yay another Kevin Smith movie that will be worshipped for no reason and overhyped into oblivion!

 

[IonizeMyAtoms]

Whoa. WHOA.

Smith is a pretty good writer/director. Didn't you ever see Chasing Amy or Dogma?

He's a ridiculously mediocre director, and as a writer I guess he's good at the fart jokes? I dunno, the two movies you mention were fine, just not nearly as good as everyone makes them out to be

 

[DeusExMachina]

Chasing Amy was pretty person if you ask me.

And while Dogma had the...poop monster...it had a lot of good messages about religion and belief.

 

[Direwolf]

People being uptight about Kevin Smith movies just show why they're not Kevin Smith fans. They're not movies to be taken seriously, and most of the time they're nothing but stupid fun.

 

[Yuri]

I wouldn't catagorize everyone who doesn't find Kevin Smith movies wonderfully orgasmic as being uptight people. The jokes are sometimes very funny, but the rest of the movies are generally terribly mediocre. Whenever Kevin Smith tries to be serious (and he does in every one of his movies), it ends up being awful, awful, terrible.

And you do realize that Dogma was supposed to be a drama with comedy on the side, correct? He was very serious when he made Dogma, and added jokes later on.

I just don't understand the rabit Kevin Smith fanboys. The movies are mediocre at best, even their silliness isn't that great.


Although that's just my opinion, and I suppose I am being so aggressive about it because of all the Kevin Smith fanboys that have insulted me for not liking his movies in the past.

"You just don't understand humor. You are uncultured."

Lol.

 

[Gray Fox]

Yuppie, I really like Kevin Smith. The only movie of his that I saw and did not like was Jay And Silentbob strike back, for the rest I think he writes very good scripts, that really are funny and yet very much a serious and intelligent comment on our society. For me he does really stand out from the crop and his sripts are almost on par with Dr.Strangelove.

 

[CptStern]

I just nearly spit out my coffee ..please dont compare the brilliance of kubrick with kevin smith ..I like Smith's films and his dialogue can be refreshing but he is no Kubrick ..no what hurts Smith movies more than anything else is his choice of actors ..the guys in clerks (while funny) were horrible actors, they all are, including smith himself.

 

[Gray Fox]

What can I say, every generation has his or her own Kubrick, Wells. You geezers just complain about everything at your age

 

[CptStern]

What can I say, every generation has his or her own Kubrick, Wells. You geezers just complain about everything at your age

kubrick transcends generations ..that's what makes him one of the greats but you wouldnt understand that because there is no subtlety with you ..it's all instinctual reaction to stimulii. You have the sophistication of a garden gnome

 

[Gray Fox]

kubrick transcends generations ..that's what makes him one of the greats but you wouldnt understand that because there is no subtlety with you ..it's all instinctual reaction to stimulii. You have the sophistication of a garden gnome

So does the first Star Wars triology, so does Elvis, so does the Bible and the Koran. Besides Smith movies have not been out long enough to judge weather or not they will transend generations. You fail to see the true genious in kevins smith just like every generation fails to see the genious in the work of the generations that follows it. Not only that you fail to provide proper argument to support your opinion, and instead fall back on insults, which you should know have the opposite effect of their desired purpose.

 

[CptStern]

So does the first Star Wars triology, so does Elvis, so does the Bible and the Koran. Besides Smith movies have not been out long enough to judge weather or not they will transend generations. You fail to see the true genious in kevins smith just like every generation fails to see the genious in the work of the generations that follows it. Not only that you fail to provide proper argument to support your opinion, and instead fall back on insults, which you should know have the opposite effect of their desired purpose.

please, cult status nothing more ..kubrick is up there with Bergman, Fellini, Pasolini, Huston, Godard, Welles etc etc smith will never rise above the level of cult status

 

[Gray Fox]

please, cult status nothing more ..kubrick is up there with Bergman, Fellini, Pasolini, Huston, Godard, Welles etc etc smith will never rise above the level of cult status

That what they said about the Beatles too, look how that turned out.

 

[CptStern]

That what they said about the Beatles too, look how that turned out.

:upstare: oh come on, the beatles have universal appeal ..it's not even remotely the same scenario.

 

[Gray Fox]

:upstare: oh come on, the beatles have universal appeal ..it's not even remotely the same scenario.

MY point was that their universal appeal was not recognised untill decades had past when they first came out, you critique and lack of understand for what makes Smith so good does resemble the initial critique on the beatles. You simply shunt whatever you don't understand.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I don't understand this "amazing director/shitty director" debate. He's a good director. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Gray Fox]

I don't understand this "amazing director/shitty director" debate. He's a good director. Nothing more, nothing less.

Actually Stern is arguing your point.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

I haven't even seen the first one. If I knew Jay and Silent Bob were in it, I would of picked it up sooner

 

[CptStern]

MY point was that their universal appeal was not recognised untill decades had past when they first came out,

what? where did you get that silly idea? they were famous pretty much from the beginning ..you've heard of beatlemania right? you know that they were knighted in the early 60's right? you know that they sold millions and became the first group ever to play in a stadium that had 10,000 screaming fans, right? you're aware that they were so popular that John Lennon's often quoted statement of "we're more popular than jesus" led to a beatle record burnings in the southern US ..all of this was before 1966

you critique and lack of understand for what makes Smith so good does resemble the initial critique on the beatles. You simply shunt whatever you don't understand.

what the hell are you talking about? I saw clerks in a repertoire theatre when it was completely unknown and enjoyed every minute of it ..in fact I've seen every one of kevin smiths films except Jay and Bob strike back. I understand film, you like movies, there's a massive difference

 

[Gray Fox]

what? where did you get that silly idea? they were famous pretty much from the beginning ..you've heard of beatlemania right? you know that they were knighted in the early 60's right? you know that they sold millions and became the first group ever to play in a stadium that had 10,000 screaming fans, right? you're aware that at they were so popular that John Lennon's often quoted statement of "we're more popular than jesus" led to a beatle record burnings in the southern US ..all of this was before 1966

Yes they were famous right from the start and while many youngsters adored them, the old generation just thought of them as a fab thet would pass, and when the beatles got compared to mozart in terms of genius the old generation laughed, just like you do now whne it comes to Smith.

what the hell are you talking about? I saw clerks in a repertoire theatre when it was completely unknown and enjoyed every minute of it ..in fact I've seen every one of kevin smiths films except Jay and Bob strike back. I understand film, you like movies, there's a massive difference

And yet none of your posts show it, you simply resort to insults and degrading comments, and never show your understand of the subject at hand. Where as I, even with my limited knowledge try explain my opinion.

 

[CptStern]

Yes they were famous right from the start and while many youngsters adored them, the old generation just thought of them as a fab thet would pass, and when the beatles got compared to mozart in terms of genius the old generation laughed, just like you do now whne it comes to Smith.

universal appeal while they were still a group ..the queen asked them for a command performance ..the queen ffs. She even awarded them a Order of the British Empire medal. They played live in front of 400 million people, the worlds first global music broadcast. You made it sound like they only gained popularity decades after they had broken up:

MY point was that their universal appeal was not recognised untill decades had past when they first came out

they met heads of state, they were on Ed Sullivan (still one of the largest Tv audiences ever) ..if that isnt universal appeal I dont know what is

And yet none of your posts show it, you simply resort to insults and degrading comments, and never show your understand of the subject at hand. Where as I, even with my limited knowledge try explain my opinion.

no, you set the tone when you dismissed my comments as something a "geezer" wouldnt understand. Dont play the victem here

 

[Gray Fox]

universal appeal while they were still a group ..the queen asked them for a command performance ..the queen ffs. She even awarded them a Order of the British Empire medal. They played live in front of 400 million people, the worlds first global music broadcast. You made it sound like they only gained popularity decades after they had broken up:



they met heads of state, they were on Ed Sullivan (still one of the largest Tv audiences ever) ..if that isnt universal appeal I dont know what is

What you are confusing here is popularity with universal appeal and true genius,
The order was given simply because they became such a huge british export:

By 1965 even the non-fab world had been forced to take notice of this all-conquering cultural force. The Beatles had become such a huge British export that they were given a royal award: the Member of the Order of the British Empire, or M.B.E.

http://www.time.com/time/time100/artists/profile/beatles3.html
see they were considerd very much a fab, and the order was not given because they appealed to the queen so much. BY that standards Michael Jackons would have gotten it to if he was a brit. That their music transended generation could only be seen by the fact that decades after they retired their music still appealed to the youth. You cannot judge weather or not Smith will have a lasting appeal untill we see weather or not clerks appeals to the younger generation in 20 years.

no, you set the tone when you dismissed my comments as something a "geezer" wouldnt understand. Dont play the victem here

I do not play a victim nor do I consider my self a victim, I'm capable enough of standing on my own. but nonetheless I disagree with this comment . It was this comments, that started it,

I just nearly spit out my coffee ..please dont compare the brilliance of kubrick with kevin smith ..I like Smith's films and his dialogue can be refreshing but he is no Kubrick ..no what hurts Smith movies more than anything else is his choice of actors ..the guys in clerks (while funny) were horrible actors, they all are, including smith himself.

It's clearly derogatory, and not only that. Instead of proving your almight superior knowledge of the medium you simply stayed well on the course you had set. While I, apart from my teasing Geezer comment, have no done that.

(Edit: even if what you say about the beatles is true, which I still disagree, that still leaves Elvis, The Bible, The koran, Gone with the Wind, and many more movies/music/books/play's, lasting appeal and generation trancending does not nesesairly equal genius)

 

[CptStern]

What you are confusing here is popularity with universal appeal and true genius,
The order was given simply because they became such a huge british export:

http://www.time.com/time/time100/artists/profile/beatles3.html
see they were considerd very much a fab,

ok you're making a pretty big misconception here ...it's Fad not Fab ..fab is shortform for Fabulous ..the Fab Four was their nickname ..a fad = brief popularity

and the order was not given because they appealed to the queen so much.

no of course not, it was for being musical ambassadors for the british empire ..she said so herself

BY that standards Michael Jackons would have gotten it to if he was a brit. That their music transended generation could only be seen by the fact that decades after they retired their music still appealed to the youth. You cannot judge weather or not Smith will have a lasting appeal untill we see weather or not clerks appeals to the younger generation in 20 years.

the difference is that the beatles were recognised as genius' who transformed popular music when they were still together ..Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club band is still seen (as it was when it was released) as the most influential album of the last century

I do not play a victim nor do I consider my self a victim, I'm capable enough of standing on my own. but nonetheless I disagree with this comment . It was this comments, that started it,

It's clearly derogatory, and not only that. Instead of proving your almight superior knowledge of the medium you simply stayed well on the course you had set. While I, apart from my teasing Geezer comment, have no done that.

it wasnt derogatory, you just interpreted it that way ..and I did prove why he shouldnt be up there with the greats

 

[Gray Fox]

ok you're making a pretty big misconception here ...it's Fad not Fab ..fab is shortform for Fabulous ..the Fab Four was their nickname ..a fad = brief popularity
no of course not, it was for being musical ambassadors for the british empire ..she said so herself
the difference is that the beatles were recognised as genius' who transformed popular music when they were still together ..Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club band is still seen (as it was when it was released) as the most influential album of the last century

They were recognised as such by the majority, but most of the old generation still hated them and thought they were nothing more then something that would pass. The queen is nothing more then a gimick in modern ages, and certainly does not speek her free mind, she is simply there to inspire her subjects, and will say a lot and go with teh crowd to uphold her status.

Just as you see kevin smith now as someone who makes interesting but nonlasting movies, the old mob did the same for the beatles even though the majority disagreed with them.
Now Kevin Smith has a clear and distinciev effect on the current youths, and incorporates intelligent social comments in his movies. While at the same time setting a low bar for enjoyment, and as such creating a strong catalyst for people to look deeper, who otherwise wouldn't bother with it. He also has enough balls to take on the church in the US, and does that more effectivly then most critics.

Now that exact same quality of his movies, that low treshold for enjoyment makes it very easy for people to degrade his movies to nothing more as popcorn entertainment, in same way the authors who make you jump trough hoops and loops to enjoy even the most mundane concepts of their movies are idiolized for it. Kevins Smith stands out above many directors and is considerd a genius by many, which is a very admirable position considering the fact that we live in age where we are bombarded from all sides by differnt works of art/entertainment.You simply fail to see that, just as many before you failed to see the genius in the afformentioned authors/artists you so admire.

Now you have not by any means proven why Kevin smith could not even compare to Kubrick, you have not shown what qualities of their works differentiate one from the other and why one deserves such a higher position.

And like I said, the bible, teh koran, elvis, gone with the wind all transend generation, but none of them are considers genius, so that quality by itself is not enough.

Now I may not like him to be just as much as kubrick, because there is more to kubricks films then the script, but when it comes to that particular subject i consider them equal, thats why I explicetly said script, now you have also failed to adress why the scripts that kevins smith writes are not on par with Kubricks. Do note that me not liking him as much as kubrick does not mean I do not objectivly consider him equal, this is a matter of tastes.

it wasnt derogatory, you just interpreted it that way ..and I did prove why he shouldnt be up there with the greats

I fail to see how a comment where you so richly descibe your averse reaction to my comment is not by any means derogatory.

 

[Bull Goose Loony]

ffs, just ignore him stern, he thinks RE was a better film than Alien.

 

[CptStern]

nooooo ..that cant be true :O

 

[Lucid]

nooooo ..that cant be true :O

Sadly, it is. ;(

Just... just ignore him.
Maybe he'll go away. :|

*he walks towards them*

Oh shi-the sound of blood splattering against a surface is heard-

 

[Yuri]

I just nearly spit out my coffee ..please dont compare the brilliance of kubrick with kevin smith ..I like Smith's films and his dialogue can be refreshing but he is no Kubrick ..no what hurts Smith movies more than anything else is his choice of actors ..the guys in clerks (while funny) were horrible actors, they all are, including smith himself.

Please don't ever say "Kubrick" and "Brilliance" in the same sentence without that "don't" or "is not."

Man, being a hardcore Kevin Smith fanboy is one thing, but being a Kubrick one is another.

I can't think of any more overrated director ever. :angel:



Jeez, Stern, reading back you are one opinionated sonofabitch And about Kubrick of all people? Dahamn.[/hypocracy]

ffs, just ignore him stern, he thinks RE was a better film than Alien.

....ughhhghhghgh. I feel dirty.

 

[Gray Fox]

ffs, just ignore him stern, he thinks RE was a better film than Alien.

nooooo ..that cant be true :O

Sadly, it is. ;(

Just... just ignore him.
Maybe he'll go away. :|

*he walks towards them*

Oh shi-the sound of blood splattering against a surface is heard-

....ughhhghhghgh. I feel dirty.

By all means ignore me, I mean you don't come to a forum to have a discussion or anything like that. It's not like someone will have anything against it, like always you people just hide behind eachothers insults when threads don't just go quite the way you like it. I may have an unpopular opinion, but atleast I give examples of why I like particular movies/directors, which shows that I'm able to formulate my own opinion. Thats more then I can say for most you, you might just as well rehach popular opinion without any actual reason then not to be an outcast. It's very easy to quote great movies and directors, but it becomes very hard to explain why they are so great when it isn't your opinion, but just a meme that has been imprinted on your mind by others.

And it's funny that you should bring up Alien, a thread in which I for ****s sake had to go myself and search for the anwsers that none of you could provide, and not only did I search for it, I openly came back on a previous statement, something which inevitably leads to even more insults, but it doesn't really matter considers from who they came from. And considering I do not argue to be right, but to make a point, and I'm not ashame to be wrong, I'm only a human I can't be always right.

Please don't ever say "Kubrick" and "Brilliance" in the same sentence without that "don't" or "is not."

Man, being a hardcore Kevin Smith fanboy is one thing, but being a Kubrick one is another.

I can't think of any more overrated director ever. :angel:



Jeez, Stern, reading back you are one opinionated sonofabitch And about Kubrick of all people? Dahamn.[/hypocracy]
(

I am not a Smith fanboy, fanboy's ideolise their idol no matter what, they constantly apply different standards to make their own idol look that much better, I have not done that, I do not hold any other director to standards which I do not apply to smith, Fanboy's also generally don't provide any actually reason for their support, they mearly resort to blatent insults, because they do not have any actual good reason. And people who just insult others, call them flamboy's, and plain and simply insite flames like you have done in this tread are Trolls.

 

[CptStern]

Please don't ever say "Kubrick" and "Brilliance" in the same sentence without that "don't" or "is not."

Man, being a hardcore Kevin Smith fanboy is one thing, but being a Kubrick one is another.

I can't think of any more overrated director ever. :angel:



Jeez, Stern, reading back you are one opinionated sonofabitch And about Kubrick of all people? Dahamn.[/hypocracy]


....ughhhghhghgh. I feel dirty.

erestheux just because you dont like him doesnt diminish his status as one the greatest directors of our times. He's on every critics top directors list not too mention AFI, British Film Institute, British Film Academy, the Academy of Arts and Sciences, Bafta, New York Film Critics and he's easily one of America's greatest directors

I mean damn just look at his films: A Clockwork Orange, 2001, Dr. Strangelove, The Shining, Lolita, Spartacus, Full Metal Jacket ...each one a brilliant film and a milestone in cinema

 

[CptStern]

By all means ignore me, I mean you don't come to a forum to have a discussion or anything like that.

I'm not ignoring you I'm giving you the opportunity to bow out gracefully from this topic ...but if you insist

They were recognised as such by the majority, but most of the old generation still hated them and thought they were nothing more then something that would pass.

there always those who will dislike any given thing at any given time ..still doesnt negate universal appeal

The queen is nothing more then a gimick in modern ages, and certainly does not speek her free mind, she is simply there to inspire her subjects, and will say a lot and go with teh crowd to uphold her status.

sigh, the beatles were in front of the queen twice ...once because of a Command Performance (1963, the queen specifically chose the beatles), and a second time when they were awarded the Order of the British Empire medal (1965)

Just as you see kevin smith now as someone who makes interesting but nonlasting movies, the old mob did the same for the beatles even though the majority disagreed with them.

heh comparing me to the "old mob" is hilarious ..Smith is in the same age group as I am. Still I see your point but it doesnt apply here ..he will never have universal appeal because his movies are too much in a specific niche (which in itself negates the "universal" in "universal appeal"). Smith's films dont have the wide scope of a DeMille film, or the artistic flair of a Bunel film or the beautiful simplicity of a fellini film ..I can guarentee you were you to compare smith to some of cinema's great he'd laugh at you ...he's good but not that good

Now Kevin Smith has a clear and distinciev effect on the current youths, and incorporates intelligent social comments in his movies.

often coming across as set up and as if the actors are just reading parts of a larger monologue

While at the same time setting a low bar for enjoyment, and as such creating a strong catalyst for people to look deeper, who otherwise wouldn't bother with it. He also has enough balls to take on the church in the US, and does that more effectivly then most critics.

Now that exact same quality of his movies, that low treshold for enjoyment makes it very easy for people to degrade his movies to nothing more as popcorn entertainment, in same way the authors who make you jump trough hoops and loops to enjoy even the most mundane concepts of their movies are idiolized for it. Kevins Smith stands out above many directors and is considerd a genius by many,

who exactly are these "many": burden of proof

which is a very admirable position considering the fact that we live in age where we are bombarded from all sides by differnt works of art/entertainment.You simply fail to see that, just as many before you failed to see the genius in the afformentioned authors/artists you so admire.

I failed to see the genius of whom? who are you talking about?

Now you have not by any means proven why Kevin smith could not even compare to Kubrick, you have not shown what qualities of their works differentiate one from the other and why one deserves such a higher position.

come on man:

A Clockwork Orange, 2001, Dr. Strangelove, The Shining, Lolita, Spartacus, Full Metal Jacket ...not one of Smith's films come close to any of Kubricks ..theyre on a separate level entirely

And like I said, the bible, teh koran, elvis, gone with the wind all transend generation, but none of them are considers genius, so that quality by itself is not enough.

they must have some quality for them to endure for so long ..and like him or not Elvis was a genius ..I dont particularily like his music but I'd be a fool to dismiss his contribution to popular culture

Now I may not like him to be just as much as kubrick, because there is more to kubricks films then the script, but when it comes to that particular subject i consider them equal, thats why I explicetly said script, now you have also failed to adress why the scripts that kevins smith writes are not on par with Kubricks. Do note that me not liking him as much as kubrick does not mean I do not objectivly consider him equal, this is a matter of tastes.

you're talking about your personal opinion ..it doesnt make it valid just because you believe in it ...for consensus you need to look at the people best suited to judge a film's merit ..it's sure as hell not the audience

 

[Yuri]

erestheux just because you dont like him doesnt diminish his status as one the greatest directors of our times.

Why don't you read that sentence over and over and over and over and over and then scroll up, buddy. :upstare:

I think he is a damn overrated actor and I think most of his movies are pretty awful. The Shining is great, but Orange, 2001, Strangelove, and Full Metal Jacket are just bleh bleh bleh. That's my opinion. I'm not trying to force it onto you :angel:

By all means ignore me, I mean you don't come to a forum to have a discussion or anything like that. It's not like someone will have anything against it, like always you people just hide behind eachothers insults when threads don't just go quite the way you like it. I may have an unpopular opinion, but atleast I give examples of why I like particular movies/directors, which shows that I'm able to formulate my own opinion. Thats more then I can say for most you, you might just as well rehach popular opinion without any actual reason then not to be an outcast. It's very easy to quote great movies and directors, but it becomes very hard to explain why they are so great when it isn't your opinion, but just a meme that has been imprinted on your mind by others.

And it's funny that you should bring up Alien, a thread in which I for ****s sake had to go myself and search for the anwsers that none of you could provide, and not only did I search for it, I openly came back on a previous statement, something which inevitably leads to even more insults, but it doesn't really matter considers from who they came from. And considering I do not argue to be right, but to make a point, and I'm not ashame to be wrong, I'm only a human I can't be always right.

Man, you are one whiny dude. You prefering a shitty movie over one of the best horror suspense movies ever made is hilarious. If you can't take a joke about it, I suggest you disconnect your internet cord and never put it back in. I also suggest you never leave your house. :stare:

Maybe now I understand why Stern is so hellbent on proving you wrong. I can't say I'm going to read those rants myself

I am not a Smith fanboy, fanboy's ideolise their idol no matter what, they constantly apply different standards to make their own idol look that much better, I have not done that, I do not hold any other director to standards which I do not apply to smith, Fanboy's also generally don't provide any actually reason for their support, they mearly resort to blatent insults, because they do not have any actual good reason. And people who just insult others, call them flamboy's, and plain and simply insite flames like you have done in this tread are Trolls.

Jesus dude, is it almost that time of month? When did I say you were a Kevin Smith fanboy? I DIDN'T, SO F*CK OFF! Christ you are whiny

 

[CptStern]

Why don't you read that sentence over and over and over and over and over and then scroll up, buddy. :upstare:

I dont see what you're getting at, explain

I think he is a damn overrated actor and I think most of his movies are pretty awful. The Shining is great, but Orange, 2001, Strangelove, and Full Metal Jacket are just bleh bleh bleh. That's my opinion. I'm not trying to force it onto you :angel:

he's not an actor ..he's a director. Oh and just because you think those movies are bleh, doesnt make it so. They are examples of the very best in american cinema.

 

[Yuri]

Typo dude, sorry. I know he is a director of course

In the same regard, just because you think his movies are orgasmic does not make it so. You are stating your opinion as fact, whereas I am stating my opinion.

Art is in the eye of the beholder man.


Hah, and I totally misread the first comment you made that I quoted. I thought you were saying something to the effect of "Well you can think that but I can think otherwise." But you aren't instead you are saying "Well you can think that but you are wrong." Hahahaha, you are quite ridiculously opinionated you know. :upstare:

Kubrick isn't really considered one of the best directors of all time by most people I know, nor do I care who considers him this. Just because you want to have supersex with him doesn't make him the best director ever. Its just up to the person who watches his films.

You can't just say "Oh he is unquestionably the best director evar." You can say "He is really good and I think so because he has amazing strengths in -blah blah and blah-" But you can't diminish other's opinions about how mediocre he is because for whatever reason you think you are above them.

The same goes for any art form of any type. Kubrick has a lot of appeal, but just because your opinion lies with a lot of other people's doesn't mean it means jack shit more than mine.

And I can make fun of you for your tastes and you can make fun of me for mine. But quit with the factual speaking, becuase you're full of shit.