Cold fusion success at ICCF

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The successfull CFR replication by the CNAM has been presented at the 12th International Conference
on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (ICCF 12) at Yokohama Japan.

http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cfr/aehodme/index.htm

Over the past 15 - 20 years there have been roughly 600 reported successful experiment's.
 
No one replies because they don't know what consequences this may have :p

And happy 4000st post ;)
 
i am wary of this, especially since i donlt have the patience to read through the whole article
 
I won't believe it until i see it on a source such as Newscientist or BBC or Nature.
 
I might try the experiment myself (Since the annodes and Cathodes side of it was from GCSE Chemistry, and we do have that tech at our school) and Note the results. It seems very intruiging if it's correct and they haven't made a blinding mistake.
 
I saw this episode of some programme... 'the outer limits', i think, where this guy was doing a test in a university, and there ws a question asking to explain why cold fusion was impossible, and he realised it wasn't, and then he went mad and held this room full of students hostage with a gun and this negotiator had to go in and get him not to kill them.

Anyway, in the end he got shot. I didn't get it.
 
They've finally made it reproducable? Because that's pretty big if they have. If you're right, I look forward to reading the big article in New Scientist that's bound to appear.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Thats pretty big indeed.

This could revolutionise, well....everything.
 
Oh this will take at least 20 years..if not more, to get out into the public for practical use. They still need to do countless experiments.

EDIT: Although, it's fairly impressive that they got that much Pin/Pout ratio. The higher the voltage, the closer it gets to being equal..which breaks the laws of physics...they can get close to that, but they will never get to exact same Pin/Pout ratio.
 
Its because our present laws are 3 dimensionally based, when nature works in 4 dimesions, thats why our human laws are fundementally wrong, we are failing to acknowledge that energy is more than just the work we are getting, nature is an overunity system, broken symmetry, Its hypocritcal to think otherwise if the big bang theory is to work atall, all that energy came from somewhere, and what we see isnt residual left overs of the big bang its constantly interfacing with an unseen energy.. as we accept the need for virtual particles for everything to beable to exist.

not to mention that people who invest in mainstream science (new scientist included) are the government's that subscribe to the already established energy corporation's that create our modern dependability on gas and oil.

Mainstream science is dictated by the economy and the bureaucracy that goes with it, infact it would stand to reason that discoveries like this would be played down by the mainstream community.. because it threatens their jobs within the present paradigm.

Science goes where the money flows,

The already established paradigm of modern science doesnt predict these results, which would show that the models we are using have some serious flaw's in certain aspect's, If that was established and properly proven in scientific circles, all of a sudden people working on project's like ITER would find their funding going elsewhere, which is why they are so hostile to the claims of cold fusion.

With cold fusion people could buy or build their own personal mini powerstation's like these and circumvent the oil industry the power grid and energy giant's, it would ruin the present economy.

This is why there is such hostility, resistance and outright ignorance towards cold fusion and other extraordinary finding's. If this is true then its clear the people at the top envolved in Mainstream Science ensure they resist these new technologies and findings to protect the present economy and their jobs, right or wrong.

Basically to sum it up, its morally arse end round.. and we have become slaves to the economy.

the economy has become more important than our future, than our well being. Its preventing us from making great leaps.
 
Oh so very true clarky. Only those underground people who know about this would be able to get the technology, because if a whole country got it then it would definately kill the oil giants.

The only way this will probably get into main production is when the oil Giants get shut down by the lack of oil. Then we'll see a lot more products like this popping up.

EDIT: Or Rogue governments with want for non-dependancy on oil. They would say lower taxes (Since they could get more power than what they put in) and et cetera, get into government, and push for the sale of goods like these.
 
clarky003 said:
Its because our present laws are 3 dimensionally based, when nature works in 4 dimesions
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String theory says probably 11 D:

-Angry Lawyer
 
forget the other 6 dimension's, concentrate on kaluza and klien's 5D gravity field if you have to look into it, and Myron Evans's unified field theory and O(3) electrodynamic's.
 
Fine, Jondy, I pick Brane Cosmology. Ekpyrotic theory FTW!

-Angry Lawyer
 
Didn't their work focus on the Weak Nuclear Force's breaking of it, rather than anything as OTT as your source seems to imply?

-Angry Lawyer
 
clarky003 said:
Its because our present laws are 3 dimensionally based, when nature works in 4 dimesions, thats why our human laws are fundementally wrong, we are failing to acknowledge that energy is more than just the work we are getting, nature is an overunity system, broken symmetry, Its hypocritcal to think otherwise if the big bang theory is to work atall, all that energy came from somewhere, and what we see isnt residual left overs of the big bang its constantly interfacing with an unseen energy.. as we accept the need for virtual particles for everything to beable to exist.

not to mention that people who invest in mainstream science (new scientist included) are the government's that subscribe to the already established energy corporation's that create our modern dependability on gas and oil.

Mainstream science is dictated by the economy and the bureaucracy that goes with it, infact it would stand to reason that discoveries like this would be played down by the mainstream community.. because it threatens their jobs within the present paradigm.

Science goes where the money flows,

The already established paradigm of modern science doesnt predict these results, which would show that the models we are using have some serious flaw's in certain aspect's, If that was established and properly proven in scientific circles, all of a sudden people working on project's like ITER would find their funding going elsewhere, which is why they are so hostile to the claims of cold fusion.

With cold fusion people could buy or build their own personal mini powerstation's like these and circumvent the oil industry the power grid and energy giant's, it would ruin the present economy.

This is why there is such hostility, resistance and outright ignorance towards cold fusion and other extraordinary finding's. If this is true then its clear the people at the top envolved in Mainstream Science ensure they resist these new technologies and findings to protect the present economy and their jobs, right or wrong.

Basically to sum it up, its morally arse end round.. and we have become slaves to the economy.

the economy has become more important than our future, than our well being. Its preventing us from making great leaps.
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Excellent post..but lets not get too excited. What your thread is about is not about cold fusion, it's about a very effecient power generator. Cold fusion goes way beyond effecient. Cold fusion is where you put little power into the system and you get massive power out of the output...essentially breaking the laws of physics. I am very impressed by the data those scientists managed to achieve, but, in my experience, it's not possible to create a system where you can put a little power in, and get lots of power out. You might argue about how nature works and such, but I believe that's how it works. Nature is all about balance, and to do cold fusion would break the balance, and nature will not allow it to happen.

You can get close to it..but never above it. Same as the speed of light. You'll never reach it, but you can get really, really close to it.

EDIT: Oh and by the way...really good article. Great stuff.
 
clarky003 said:
Its because our present laws are 3 dimensionally based, when nature works in 4 dimesions, thats why our human laws are fundementally wrong, we are failing to acknowledge that energy is more than just the work we are getting, nature is an overunity system, broken symmetry, Its hypocritcal to think otherwise if the big bang theory is to work atall, all that energy came from somewhere, and what we see isnt residual left overs of the big bang its constantly interfacing with an unseen energy.. as we accept the need for virtual particles for everything to beable to exist.

not to mention that people who invest in mainstream science (new scientist included) are the government's that subscribe to the already established energy corporation's that create our modern dependability on gas and oil.

Mainstream science is dictated by the economy and the bureaucracy that goes with it, infact it would stand to reason that discoveries like this would be played down by the mainstream community.. because it threatens their jobs within the present paradigm.

Science goes where the money flows,

The already established paradigm of modern science doesnt predict these results, which would show that the models we are using have some serious flaw's in certain aspect's, If that was established and properly proven in scientific circles, all of a sudden people working on project's like ITER would find their funding going elsewhere, which is why they are so hostile to the claims of cold fusion.

With cold fusion people could buy or build their own personal mini powerstation's like these and circumvent the oil industry the power grid and energy giant's, it would ruin the present economy.

This is why there is such hostility, resistance and outright ignorance towards cold fusion and other extraordinary finding's. If this is true then its clear the people at the top envolved in Mainstream Science ensure they resist these new technologies and findings to protect the present economy and their jobs, right or wrong.

Basically to sum it up, its morally arse end round.. and we have become slaves to the economy.

the economy has become more important than our future, than our well being. Its preventing us from making great leaps.
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hehe you got me fooled for a second there clarky...until you started explaining how our universe is built! same old crap again! sorry

be more scientific about it and maybe i'll belive you...but don't post science fiction you read on the net!

you are acting like you're some kind of prophet or something!
 
Although he's a bit bollocks with his alternate idea of physics, you have to admit, he's right about the government wanting to stifle oil competitors. A lot of economies would get bummed by the decreased requirement of oil.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Although he's a bit bollocks with his alternate idea of physics, you have to admit, he's right about the government wanting to stifle oil competitors. A lot of economies would get bummed by the decreased requirement of oil.

-Angry Lawyer
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true, true!

i'm just a little bit confused by the comercial of CHEVRON, that says something like "help us find a better energy" or was it something like "help us better the world"...anyway it surley wasn't for promoting oil consumeing! that i find it strange a little!?
chevron is a big oil corporation...isn't it?
 
True, but one company out of countless isn't something to take an average from.

Were'nt fuel cells screwed over for oil reasons, or something? Or am I dreaming crap up after reading too much New Scientist.

-Angry Lawyer
 
of course companies like Chevron and BP are realising that their future isnt going to be in oil, but for now there money is still in the oil pot, even with these alternative's in hand at present.

and Jverne its not science fiction, maxwell's origional equation's included broken symmetry of the common dipole, before they where edited and simplified by Lorenz, its all in the litrature so either read it or i suggest you stop talking crap, you clearly either dont understand, or arnt even attempting to comprehend the need for extra dimensions to understand the practical unification of forces or the real longitudinal magnetic field B(3) of the photon, getting closer to understanding the way nature itself apparently operates.

Im not acting like a prophet, your insighting that i am however, perhaps somehow im spoiling those preconception's of reality :P. Myron Evans's work just makes so much sense!, it solves the source charge problem ffs, and shows a higher symmetry relationship between gravity and electromagnetisim, not to mention he is highly noteable over here and was awarded a civil list pension by the queen for his work.
 
Clarky, it's amazing how much bollocks you write.
 
Conniseurs of bollocks, like myself, are adept at picking out some of the interesting points, though :D

-Angry Lawyer
 
Feath its amazing how little you contribute to the thread, especially when comments like that clearly show your indepth understanding of higher symmetry phenomenology.

I say this in the nicest way but some people dont have f***ing clue what im talking about, so naturally it is bollocks to you.

and get it through your head, im not explaining how the universe is built, im talking about higher symmetry methodology which is needed to explain the relationship between all the forces and for understanding the source of the charge.
 
ok...clarky i'll be less "ignoran" and more open...satisfied!? because yes there a lot of things human kind needs to discover...that's true!

i just find your way of telling it very...very...hmm...zealously!? :rolleyes:

you are really acting like you want to be some kind of prophet!
but what is your goal...just to inform people?...to start a revolution?...for people to boycott oil?...what?

you seem so very excitet about it...why don't you go study quantum phisycs?!


look...i am very excitet about ITER myself...the first hot fusion reactor is being constructed relatively not far from me! soon it will be up and running...not too long from now i could build my very own badass electric blast furnance to make my very own metal, to make my very own electrolysis system to get that chlorium for my lab...for running it it would cost me few pennies!!!

cold fusion...well my grand son will be dead or 120 years old before any real progress is done! cold fushion destroys the last 300 years of proven and applicated phisycs laws in what...50 years time you say! and here you come and say the ITER guys are afraid to lose funding?! belive me...those guy are surley interested in cold fusion too...but they know what they are dealing with! ok sorry bout the bad expressing but you get the picture!

and one question...is there any cold fusion reactions going on in the universe that we can observe?...i know that hot fusion is! :)


p.s. i dont even have a son!
 
Advice: When presenting science topics, in order to avoid the backlash of anti-Scalar Wave/Cold Fusion people, avoid interlinking with such contested ideas. If you just presented the article as "Possible, unexplained energy source reproduced?" and said "Well, it could be cold fusion, or possibly something overlooked chemically", you'd probably get a unanimous "ZOMG GREAT" rather than "ZOMG NOES SCALAR WAVES!"

Much love to the fringe science believers <3.

-Angry Lawyer
 
I like the idea of Cold Fusion..unfortunatly, it's not found anywhere in nature. Humans make laws for nature so we don't try something stupid and kill ourselves by attempting to re-write what physics is and change the whole perspective on the universe. I believe that the Universe works the same where ever you go...it doesn't matter where you are, it's the same.

The experiment that was shown with the 2 scientists was impressive and very good for the future of things to come...but lets not turn this event into a major sign that everything that you know of now will change forever in 6 years...not gonna happen.

And Clarky, that symmentry thing you posted earlier was an excellent explanation on how dipoles sustain their energy for very long periods of time. I believe if we find out how exactly that works, and we can manipulate that, we could have a power source that could run for a very long time by itself with no external energy required....except there would be one problem...the energy it would create would be very weak. We would have to use amplifiers to make the output stronger, hence, using more energy. I think the scientists should be researching more on effecient power sources rather than the holy grail of physics which is cold fusion.
 
clarky003 said:
Feath its amazing how little you contribute to the thread, especially when comments like that clearly show your indepth understanding of higher symmetry phenomenology.

I say this in the nicest way but some people dont have f***ing clue what im talking about, so naturally it is bollocks to you.

and get it through your head, im not explaining how the universe is built, im talking about higher symmetry methodology which is needed to explain the relationship between all the forces and for understanding the source of the charge.
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Feath said:
Clarky, it's amazing how much bollocks you write.
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Really, I'm honestly amazed.
 
dream431ca said:
I believe that the Universe works the same where ever you go...it doesn't matter where you are, it's the same.
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Strangely enough, that's debatable D:

Also, apparently, every time they open a new atom smasher, they have to do a load of theoretical tests to make sure that they don't accidentally cause a phase transition in the vacuum and exploderise te universe.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Strangely enough, that's debatable D:

Also, apparently, every time they open a new atom smasher, they have to do a load of theoretical tests to make sure that they don't accidentally cause a phase transition in the vacuum and exploderise te universe.

-Angry Lawyer
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Wow..that's interesting...cool stuff.
 
Whew! Thank God I don't have to conserve anymore.
 
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