Communism.

[The Monkey]

Few ideologies have been as hated and loved as communism, where do the people here think about communism, the upsides and the downsides. Try to think beyond Stalin and Mao, they were capitalists and fascists.
I was thinking of posting in this thread, but that's more about the society, than of the ideology.

 

[Steve]

It's a nice idea, but it's fundamentally flawed because it assumes that humans can actually be selfless as a whole.

 

[Tr0n]

Good on paper, bad in reality.

 

[bliink]

The ideology is built on good intentions, but Marx overlooked (or perhaps was too optimistic about) the fact that humans were involved, and a system that revolves around "equality" could never truly involve humans, since its our natural desire, instinctively, to have more of everything.
What's more, ever since we could, we've organised ourselves into structures where we can be controlled, judged, ranked and have security, which is why the systems known as "governments" have come about.
Its only human to want the type that favours freedom and the ability to gain over having to be regulated and equal.

 

[Hapless]

In small groups, communism may actually work. In order for it to work for a large country like, say, China, North Korea or the Soviet Union, selflessnes must be enforced. Totalitarianism is the inevitable result.

 

[bliink]

In small groups, communism may actually work. In order for it to work for a large country like, say, China, North Korea or the Soviet Union, selflessnes must be enforced. Totalitarianism is the inevitable result.

And it did, to a certain extent, work during our semi-nomadic days, but once human population grew, well, we went basically straight onto feudalism.

 

[Steve]

In small groups, communism may actually work. In order for it to work for a large country like, say, China, North Korea or the Soviet Union, selflessnes must be enforced. Totalitarianism is the inevitable result.

Yeah, that's true. Small villages and such can have a communist-like system where everyone has their part to do...but that's only because everyone in the group needs everyone else in the group to survive, ya?

 

[Tr0n]

What about somethin kinda like in that movie equilibrium?Wasn't it close to communism?

Get rid of human emotion, religion, want, need, etc...

 

[Steve]

What about somethin kinda like in that movie equilibrium?Wasn't it close to communism?

Your mom was close to communism.


Sorry...couldn't help myself.

 

[Tr0n]

Your mom was close to communism.


Sorry...couldn't help myself.

:| Your that desperate? lol

 

[Steve]

:| Your that desperate? lol

Yes, yes I am. But remember, dude. Equilibrium was a movie, eh?

 

[Tr0n]

Well the point is...what if someone made a pill or somethin that would get rid of emotions or self need...Communism then could finally work.

 

[Steve]

Well the point is...what if someone made a pill or somethin that would get rid of emotions or self need...Communism then could finally work.

Right. If humans weren't truly human. If human nature was supressed, yeah it could work.

 

[bliink]

But then there would be no point, you may as well have complete totalitarian rule, because noone would care

 

[Tr0n]

But then there would be no point, you may as well have complete totalitarian rule, because noone would care

Well that would be the most efficient way to get things done.

1 ring to rule them all!FOR THE SHIRE!

Oh wait....

 

[burner69]

People say that communism won't work because humans are naturally to greedy. Therefore, on paper, surely capitlism wouldn't work. They'd say people just won't do lot's of work for less money than their bosses, they'd want more, and because there's more workers than bosses they'd fight to get their way.

I think to an extent its possible, but not for a long long time.

 

[Steve]

People say that communism won't work because humans are naturally to greedy. Therefore, on paper, surely capitlism wouldn't work. They'd say people just won't do lot's of work for less money than their bosses, they'd want more, and because there's more workers than bosses they'd fight to get their way.

Well, yeah. Workers in a capitalist system aspire to get promotions and eventually usurp their bosses, in a way. There's actually a motivation to do that, to work harder than your colleagues and get promoted, cuz you get more money, more privileges, etc...

It's only when there's a huge gap between the rich and the not so rich (i suppose you could call the the poor) that workers get pissed. If they get pissed otherwise, they're just being irrational. I'm rambling.

 

[Sprafa]

Communism is natural.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/14208061/

 

[Recoil]

What about somethin kinda like in that movie equilibrium?Wasn't it close to communism?

Get rid of human emotion, religion, want, need, etc...

...but what's the point in living then?

 

[Tr0n]

...but what's the point in living then?

To live?

Hell I dunno.

 

[wayne white]

try to live in cuba like i did ,for 19 years ,and then tell me of any upsides to that system.

 

[HunterSeeker]

Its only human to want the type that favours freedom and the ability to gain over having to be regulated and equal.

So what I am not human?

 

[DeusExMachina]

I really don't think it'll ever work...ever. Its a good idea, but we're humans. Humans screw everything up. No one will ever make a fair and good communist country.

 

[X|Rolando]

Communism has never worked on our nice round rock because some half-arsed dictator always manages to take control of things

 

[bliink]

So what I am not human?

Your basic psychological needs include a desire to be judged, to be ranked.. being "the same" as everyone doesn't fit.
Sure, you may think differently...

 

[The Monkey]

The ideel state, the uthopia, could be communistic. But since that's never gonna happen, we might as well stick with Liberalism or Socialism.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

What over-achiever would ever want to be a part of Communism?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

It doesn't even sound nice in THEORY to me, as others often say it does.

Even in theory, I'm thinking to myself, "So there's no aspiring to something more in this society..? There's no bettering yourself to build a better life?" And there isn't. The hardest worker is rewarded the same as the laziest man, and that's set in stone- there's no changing it. That's simply not right. I prefer FREEDOM and oppurtunity. The chance to start my own business and build a great life for my family and myself.

Capitalism is freedom.

 

[Scoobnfl]

People say that communism won't work because humans are naturally to greedy. Therefore, on paper, surely capitlism wouldn't work. They'd say people just won't do lot's of work for less money than their bosses, they'd want more, and because there's more workers than bosses they'd fight to get their way.

or they become entrepreneurs and start their own biz and bcome their own boss and hire some of the aforementioned mindless scared clock punchers

 

[kirovman]

The ideal society is one where no life is involved.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

around "equality" could never truly involve humans, since its our natural desire, instinctively, to have more of everything.

So your saying it is possible for an alien race to be communist as long as they are not Human in nature

 

[kirovman]

So your saying it is possible for an alien race to be communist as long as they are not Human in nature

I believe that...maybe in something like an hive like race.

 

[Polaris]

Communism is road to hell, land where I live was invaded by Soviets bastards and this mess kill many peoples. Btw Combine politics is close to red murders

 

[The Monkey]

Communism is road to hell, land where I live was invaded by Soviets bastards and this mess kill many peoples. Btw Combine politics is close to red murders

Soviet was not communistic.

 

[Polaris]

Soviet was not communistic.

Are you stupid or insane ? Oh sorry you are from Sweden - the land without soviet scars...

 

[The Monkey]

Are you stupid or insane ? Oh sorry you are from Sweden - the land without soviet scars...

No, escaped Soviet, but you did not have the same luck. But if you have read the communist manifesto like I have, you will understand that Soviet was far from communistic.

 

[Polaris]

Socialism or communism = same shit...

 

[el Chi]

Good on paper, bad in reality.

"Girls are like Communism: Great on paper, but not so good in practise" :naughty:


But seriously folks. Personally I love the ideas behind Communism (except violent uprising - not entirely the way to go about things) but I think a crucial problem, nowadays at least, is that it's out-dated.
The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848, that's over 150 years ago. Just think how much the world has changed since then; we don't really have the same structure in terms of employees and employers, social hierarchies have changed a lot, etc. It was quite a rigid doctrine and it seems to me that that train has sailed, so to speak.


Polaris - You're wrong. Communism and Socialism are not the "same shit." You apparently have no idea what you are talking about. Bravo.

 

[Polaris]

El Chi are you from UK right? I am from Czech republic. If you seen gulags, politic prisoners, tanks in streets ... I think you not. Please go to Cuba, North Korea, China and other paradises on Earth.

 

[el Chi]

El Chi are you from UK right? I am from Czech republic. If you seen gulags, politic prisoners, tanks in streets ... I think you not. Please go to Cuba, North Korea, China and other paradises on Earth.

Well, maybe I was a bit harsh, but they aren't really the same thing. It's just the way things have been implemented in a lot of countries - like some kind of forceful Socialism. Not Communism.
There are countries who have, at one time or another, had democratic Socialist governments and don't really feel the need for oppression. That was my point. The doctrines are not entirely the same, nor are the implementations.