Conyers holding hearing on Downing Street Minutes at 2:30 ET

[No Limit]

http://www.cspan.org

It will be shown on Cspan 3 at 2:30 PM EST; if you have time please watch it. If you do not have Cspan 3 you can always watch it online on the web site.

 

[Feath]

You're a bit obessed with this aren't you?

 

[JellyWorld]

What's EST?

 

[No Limit]

You're a bit obessed with this aren't you?

Yes, I am obessed with the truth especially when 1700 soldiers have already died. What saddens me is people that are apologists for Bush don't give a shit about the truth.

Did you bother to turn it on? Its playing right now.

 

[No Limit]

What's EST?

Sorry, ET, eastern time.

 

[Icarusintel]

Sorry, ET, eastern time.

no, EST is right, it's Eastern Standard Time, you had it right the first time

 

[saracen]

when 1700 soldiers have already died

Dude its more than that, of the 12,000 US soldiers seriously wounded that have gone to german hospitals 6,253 of them have died. I think pentagon needs to offer you guys explanations and tell parents of the deceased instead of releasing them when they want.

And government of americastop using mercenaries in your battles and stop calling them civilian contractors in your media.

 

[KoreBolteR]

so the interview is in downwing street eh?

 

[Dag]

Dude its more than that, of the 12,000 US soldiers seriously wounded that have gone to german hospitals 6,253 of them have died. I think pentagon needs to offer you guys explanations and tell parents of the deceased instead of releasing them when they want.

And government of americastop using mercenaries in your battles and stop calling them civilian contractors in your media.

Have you overseen each of these deaths? And why is using Mercenaries bad? It's been a tactic of war for a long time. Read the book Not a Good Day To Die. Using mercinaries and rebel forces. (AKA Warlords, Militias in the area of the war going on.) Saves our forces, trains those Militias to fight so that they can defend themselves, and you get allies.

 

[No Limit]

Have you overseen each of these deaths? And why is using Mercenaries bad? It's been a tactic of war for a long time. Read the book Not a Good Day To Die. Using mercinaries and rebel forces. (AKA Warlords, Militias in the area of the war going on.) Saves our forces, trains those Militias to fight so that they can defend themselves, and you get allies.

And ensures a lot more "collateral damage" will happen. But you guys don't care about the sanctity of life when its a muslim so **** it.

 

[jonbob]

It's bad if they are mercanaries but the US and UK still cry bloody murder when they're caught and are refused protection under the Geneva Convention. Not that I'm saying they are unlawful combatants; as far as I'm concerned the US should have kept out of Iraq in the first place.

 

[Dag]

Actually, collateral is usually less. Those warlords and Mercs don't usually have anything heavier than RPG's and portable Anti-Aircraft weapons, whereas the US prefers the tactics of Bombing and shelling select targets. So what collateral is worse, a building riddled with bullets, or no building at all? Oh thats right, the only thing your here to do in the first place is make America look bad, despite the fact this these tactics were used by about every country ever at war.

 

[CptStern]

the best thing about using mercenaries is that you dont have to report it when they're killed

 

[Dag]

Extra men, they know thier terrain and surroundings good, and liberals don't bitch about mercinaries fighting and dying in war.

 

[CptStern]

I guess you're ok with 1700 of your fellow americans being killed based on a whopper of a lie?

 

[Dag]

They did thier job, have done thier duty. They died for the protection of others. I know a Marine Sgt. who lost a guy in Iraq. He said even though he was sad to see him die, he knew he died doing his duty, for his and others rights. If you really want to critisize Iraq, or get a full picture of the situation over there, talk to a soldier. Politicians and government officials can only get half the picture, the side they think is right. And thats what all your sources have been Stern. So next time, talk to some of the soldiers in Iraq, instead of getting a politicians perspective of how things are going over there. And what does the fact that Mercs and local Militia have to do with americans being killed by lies?

 

[CptStern]

They did thier job, have done thier duty. They died for the protection of others.

whom are they protecting? fellow americans? they died because of a lie: plain and simple

I know a Marine Sgt. who lost a guy in Iraq. He said even though he was sad to see him die, he knew he died doing his duty, for his and others rights.

rights? who's rights? are we talking about? dont tell me you bought that "for the freedom of iraqis" BS?

If you really want to critisize Iraq, or get a full picture of the situation over there, talk to a soldier. Politicians and government officials can only get half the picture, the side they think is right. And thats what all your sources have been Stern. So next time, talk to some of the soldiers in Iraq, instead of getting a politicians perspective of how things are going over there.

a soldiers perspective? please, as if that isnt biased ...I mean they're there arent they? they obvioulsy support the war so I cant see how they could be objective in the least

And what does the fact that Mercs and local Militia have to do with americans being killed by lies?

you wrote this:

"liberals don't bitch about mercinaries fighting and dying in war"

obviously you support the war ..therefore you're supporting bush's lies that led to the deaths of 1700 of your fellow americans

 

[No Limit]

"liberals don't bitch about mercinaries fighting and dying in war"

obviously you support the war ..therefore you're supporting bush's lies that led to the deaths of 1700 of your fellow americans

And he clearly doesn't care Bush wont report american causulties that aren't official military. This is sickening in my book but in his if it protects Bush's ratings sanctity of life doesn't mean shit (unless you are trying to win elections).

 

[Dag]

Biased? How would a soldiers Prespective be biased? Because he's actually fighting the war, not sitting at home looking at newspaper articles claiming bush is a liar and makeing angry forum posts? Why can't they be objective. They are being sent to fight and die. Doesn't someone have to be objective? Oh, thats right, you presume that all soldiers must be the same, slaves to the system, right? Stabalizing Iraq, kicking out the Dictator, putting and end to a harbour of terrorist activity, instilling democracy in a country that had the potential to invade and destroy neighbooring countries? And why is fighting for the Iraqi Freedom BS? Because it contradicts your views? Because it puts Bush in a good light?

 

[CptStern]

Biased? How would a soldiers Prespective be biased? Because he's actually fighting the war, not sitting at home looking at newspaper articles claiming bush is a liar and makeing angry forum posts?

watched a documentary awhile back about US soldiers in iraq ...funny thing is that 2/3 of the people interviewed thought saddam was behind 9/11 ....and I'm supposed to take their prespective over facts? ...sorry but if I want speculation conjecture and knee-jerk reactionism I'll just flip on fox"news"

Why can't they be objective. They are being sent to fight and die. Doesn't someone have to be objective?

because they're there ..arent they? no one who actually knows the facts behind this war could ever justify it ...sorry but only a fool throws his life away without knowing the reason why

Oh, thats right, you presume that all soldiers must be the same, slaves to the system, right?

the definition of a soldier says they MUST be a slave to the system ...or else you'd have an army of soldiers who disobey orders whenever they feel like it

Stabalizing Iraq,

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaha


you're kidding right? stabalising? have you been away from a tv in the last 2 years? a day doesnt go by where dozens of iraqis are killed

are kicking out the Dictator,

a dictator YOU made

putting and end to a harbour of terrorist activity,

:upstare: ya, we all know how saddam was helping al qaeda :upstare: oh btw the US has been harbouring wanted terrorists for decades ...I guess the double standard doesnt apply?

"If You Harbor Terrorists, You Are a Terrorist" - George Bush (terrorist, by his own admission)

instilling democracy

you mean like installing Iyad allawi as the former PM even though he was a murderer and terrorist? wow you must have a strange definition of "democracy"

in a country that had the potential to invade and destroy neighbooring countries?

shows how little you know ...saddam wasnt a threat to anyone ..any of his neighbours could have steamrolled him at any time ...except of course when he was an ally of the US ...he was pretty much invincible during that era ...no thanks to you

And why is fighting for the Iraqi Freedom BS? Because it contradicts your views? Because it puts Bush in a good light?

BECAUSE IT"S BULLSHIT! where are the WMD? where are the ties to al qaeda ...revionist history bullshit, you didnt invade iraq to help the people of iraq, you invaded on the false pretense that he was a threat

 

[No Limit]

And why is fighting for the Iraqi Freedom BS? Because it contradicts your views? Because it puts Bush in a good light?

Can you highlight a single speech Bush made before the war that concentrated on Iraq's freedom? No they were all on WMDs. Now look a head a couple years and can you find me a singe speech where he talks about WMDs? No, now its all about Iraq's freedom. And you buy this bullshit. Why can't the right wing be a little smarter than this, this world would be a much better place.

BTW: I think that Stern just busted out another 1st round KO. :thumbs: