Crytek raided...again

Why would they come out and just plain lie about the first one?
 
i hope they get raped tbh its not right making money from pirated software
 
haha silly crytek, some people just don't learn that crime doesn't pay.
 
Next we'll find that the CryEngine was originally an open source 3D engine.
 
Chris_D said:
Next we'll find that the CryEngine was originally an open source 3D engine.
lol i laugh but your probably very close to the truth i bet.
 
Wheee i hope they get napalmed (in the judicial sense ;))! Then maybe people will have to burn their copies of Far Cry and no mods shall ever be made for it....then maybe a certain mod that i like the look of will come back to Source t00t t00t :D
 
It was probably CryTek that hacked VALVe's computers and stole source.

Sorry, i'm being silly now.
 
you know, there's an unwritten law within the industry, hardly spoken of. That says anything produced with pirated software doesn't come under regular laws, since the software was never paid for in the first place.

In which case, if you go with that law, you can download the pirated game and do what you like to it/with it, since CryTek can't really claim anything since they didn't own the software used in the first place. They'd have to actually prove they made the stuff, which they couldn't do because they can't even prove they owned the software used to do it. Ergo it becomes fair game

Course, follow that law at your own risk, but frankly I'll turn a blind eye on this one, crack Crytek's stuff all you like, they deserve it if they can't even pay for the software they used. Sod em ;)
 
haha, I will laugh my ass off if FarCry becomes public domain.
 
I think possibly sarcasm tags might be a good idea there Fen!
 
technically he is correct, if FarCry was developed using illegal software then the developer should forfeit holdings on it. It's like me warezing Visual C++ and maya, creating my own game and then trying to sell it. It just wouldn't happen. (not because I can't make games, although there is that, but because I have no legal right to the game i've created)
 
Chris_D said:
I think possibly sarcasm tags might be a good idea there Fen!
Mate, I'm not being sarcastic, pirated software is really frowned on for regular users, but its positivley hated with passion for those in the industry making millions on their projects but using cracked software to do it.

Software companies may in some cases turn a blind eye if Joe Public cracks something to play with one night. But its a whole other ball game when it concerns companies. Now its upto those in question to take things further and make an example of CryTek to put off other companies considering it. Think about it, if CryTek get away with it a second time. Then Lots of companies are gonna begin to wonder if they can too and save themselves half a million in expenses.

Besides, CyTek really can't prove they made FarCry, not legally, when it comes down to it. Also it could be argued that anyone buying FarCry is actually in the possession of stolen goods, no seriously. You warez some software, then use elements of that in a game, the software is stolen, and so are those elements. You didn't have the licences to use them, so the resulting software contains stolen property.. Sure this may happen more often than it seems, but the point is CryTek got caught with their fingers in the FTP with this one.

I'd say preventing them from charging anyone to buy FarCry is a fitting punishment to them. Might teach them in future not to steal from others.
 
Fenric said:
Mate, I'm not being sarcastic, pirated software is really frowned on for regular users, but its positivley hated with passion for those in the industry making millions on their projects but using cracked software to do it.
warez is warez, no matter the circumstance its still wrong.
:/
that doesnt mean IM perfect, but still that remark was uncalled for.
if Crytek are in the wrong they will be dealt with by Law, if not and its some stupid translation error or something (dont believe everything you read) and they did nothing wrong, then the comment was seriously wrong.

I know you have some ties to the industry Fenric, so if the situation is true you are well within your rights (well anyway) to do what you want.
but for the kids and people who hold your opinion in high regard hearing you say, hey its ok guys because they were in the wrong first... :/

thats kinda like me rationalizing that the leak from valve should be freely distributed because I bought hardware for it's supposed release and its not here... they owe me something.

and in both scenarios neither is the case. (not related but its still just all rationilazation.)
 
Mr. Redundant said:
warez is warez, no matter the circumstance its wrong.
:/
that doesnt mean IM perfect, but still that remark was uncalled for.
if Crytek are in the wrong they will be dealt with by Law, if not and its some stupid translation error or something (dont believe everything you read) and they did nothing wrong, then the comment was seriously wrong.


how is my comment

Mate, I'm not being sarcastic, pirated software is really frowned on for regular users, but its positivley hated with passion for those in the industry making millions on their projects but using cracked software to do it.

wrong? Be they guilty or innocent it still stands, Piracy is wrong, no matter what. For a company to do it is especially wrong.
 
Fenric said:
how is my comment



wrong? Be they guilty or innocent it still stands, Piracy is wrong, no matter what. For a company to do it is especially wrong.


Fenric said:
you know, there's an unwritten law within the industry, hardly spoken of. That says anything produced with pirated software doesn't come under regular laws, since the software was never paid for in the first place.

In which case, if you go with that law, you can download the pirated game and do what you like to it/with it, since CryTek can't really claim anything since they didn't own the software used in the first place. They'd have to actually prove they made the stuff, which they couldn't do because they can't even prove they owned the software used to do it. Ergo it becomes fair game

Course, follow that law at your own risk, but frankly I'll turn a blind eye on this one, crack Crytek's stuff all you like, they deserve it if they can't even pay for the software they used. Sod em ;)
that is the comment to which I refered to, specifically the colored text

I replied to the comment saying it was not SARCASM, as I supsected the first post WAS indeed sarcasm.
it came off as though you were endorsing it to be cracked/warezed which is usually not like you, regardless of who is wrong or right.

as you said, Piracy is wrong no matter what.

edit: I want to put it this way, the reason I said that was not to appear as being petty, or dramatic or even antagonistic.. rather that I really respect (Im sure you know) your opinion, and it was rather unlike you to say what you said.
 
Mr. Redundant said:
that is the comment to which I refered to, specifically the colored text

I replied to the comment saying it was not SARCASM, as I supsected the first post WAS indeed sarcasm.
it came off as though you were endorsing it to be cracked/warezed which is usually not like you, regardless of who is wrong or right.

as you said, Piracy is wrong no matter what.

edit: I want to put it this way, the reason I said that was not to appear as being petty, or dramatic or even antagonistic.. rather that I really respect (Im sure you know) your opinion, and it was rather unlike you to say what you said.
let the punishment fit the crime. I'm not endorsing piracy, which is quite clear if you read everything I wrote. I simply said I'd turn a blind eye in this case.

If you use illegal software to create something then you can't cry about it being stolen too. And CryTek, if proven to have continued using pirated software after they were warned and let off the first time, can't complain if anyone pirates their software. It would be hypocritcal of them to do so.


Edit, and don't edit your posts to change the context of them after someone has replied. Thats not a nice thing to do and makes onions cry ;)
 
Fenric said:
let the punishment fit the crime. I'm not endorsing piracy, which is quite clear if you read everything I wrote. I simply said I'd turn a blind eye in this case.

Edit, and don't edit your posts to change the context of them after someone has replied. Thats not a nice thing to do and makes onions cry ;)
Im not going to carry on the discussion by saying "whats the difference?", I appologize... but which post did I edit to change the context? if I did so it was unwittingly. (honest)

http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/tr
I cant find anything relating to Crytek being in the wrong (the website saying Crytek was in the wrong linked here) I also checked the english portion of the site, they had nothing... you would think if it were true it would be newsworthy.

EDIT: oops guess cant link to it, translate this site using babble:
http://global.bsa.org/germany/presse/aktuell/bs024-02.php
 
Mr. Redundant said:
Im not going to carry on the discussion by saying "whats the difference?", I appologize... but which post did I edit to change the context? if I did so it was unwittingly. (honest)

http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/tr
I cant find anything relating to Crytek being in the wrong (the website saying Crytek was in the wrong linked here) I also checked the english portion of the site, they had nothing... you would think if it were true it would be newsworthy.

EDIT: oops guess cant link to it, translate this site using babble:
http://global.bsa.org/germany/presse/aktuell/bs024-02.php
I'm pretty crap with German, and there's a lot of text there.. can't someone who speak it fluently translate it instead, save my naff attempts at it lol.
 
Fenric said:
I'm pretty crap with German, and there's a lot of text there.. can't someone who speak it fluently translate it instead, save my naff attempts at it lol.

Munich, 10 February 2004 -- at high expenditure the kriminalpolizei Coburg scanned to 4.2.2004 the areas of the Games manufacturer Crytek. It followed thereby to a reference to the employment of illegal software in the enterprise. Among the accompanying experts were also coworkers of BSA member firms. In a press statement the management appreciated software protected by Crytek the attention of the German polizeiabteilung regarding. The enterprise stands briefly before the publication of a new computer game. The case developed now shows exemplary, how quickly an enterprise can turn out by missing software management in inclination and into the focus of determinations. After eye-witness reports approximately 150 officials were involved in the search, who provided on the early morning entrance to the firm premises. After the state of affairs determined and one had documented, the coworkers of the development enterprise could continue their work. An expert of the BSA: "the police proceeded here with large intuitive feeling and expert knowledge." Independently referring to the software licence management lacking were received with the Coburger Games developer with the BSA and the kriminalpolizei. Since according to first estimations the value of the unlizenzierten software could lie on the examined computers in the high six-digit euro-range, the BSA considers at present civil steps against the enterprise. The search of the police fell into the hot phase of the development of a new product of Crytek, whose publication is intended for March. "the situation for Crytek could have become substantially more with difficulty", explains George gentleman life, regionally managers for Central Europe of the BSA. "with comparable raids also computers can become closed seized and business premises depending upon proof situation by the public prosecutor's office. Companies, which come with the software licences into an inclination, risk with endangering their work. The mechanism of standardized software management processes is therefore enterprise important for each company, which must keep dates or careful work wants to supply. The BSA offers for it on their Website www.bsa.de assistance and information." "all creative ones react very sensitively to the topic Ideenklau. Also software is mental property and represents the product of mental work. Straight one for enterprises such as Crytek is therefore important it, into a corner with software Piraten or commercial robbery copiers not to place itself ", explains Tilman garbage first furnaces, chairmen of the BSA for Germany, Austria and Switzerland. "also and straight in creative industries must use the correct Lizenzierung that software a chief topic be and priority possess." Dr. Ernst Tschanett of the emphasis public prosecutor's office for Wirtschaftsdelikte in yard sees a precarious trend. "we observe for some time rising drop numbers with Urheberrechtsdelikten within the software range. Injustice consciousness is unfortunately not very much sharpened in the population. Therefore we are energetically gegensteuern." here also in the future; The BSA works as federation of the prominent software producers since its establishment 1989 within the range clearing-up about Softwarelizenzierung, software management and pirat copies. It is the organization prominent within the range of the promotion of a safe and law-moderate on-line world. (3,570 indications). Information to the BSA The Business software Alliance (BSA) is the organization prominent within the range of the promotion of a safe and law-moderate on-line world. She is the speaker of the software and InterNet industry in relation to governments and customer on the global market. Their members represent one of the fastest increasing industries of the world. The BSA informs computer users about software -, extension of commercial possibilities and Softwarepiraterie occurs copyrights and InterNet security for a public policy of the promotion of innovation and fights. Adobe, Apple, Autodesk, Avid, Bentley of system, boron country, Cisco Systems, CNC Software/Mastercam, HP, IBM, Intel, InterNet Security of system, Intuit, Macromedia, Microsoft, network Associates, PeopleSoft, RSA Security, SolidWorks, Sybase, Symantec, UGS PLM Solutions and VERITAS software. German members of the BSA are: Adobe, Apple, Autodesk, Avid Technology, Bentley of system, Macromedia, Microsoft, O&O software, Symantec, trend Micro, VERITAS software and WRQ. BSA Websites - Germany: www.bsa.de; Internationally: www.bsa.org
babbel fish translation

sounds like another case of what happened before
 
you'd think after all teh cash they got for FC they'd pay for the software and protect from getting in trouble again
 
Mr. Redundant said:
babbel fish translation

sounds like another case of what happened before

but that is what happened before, its dated 10th February 2004. The second one has been in the last day or so.
 
Fenric said:
but that is what happened before, its dated 10th February 2004. The second one has been in the last day or so.
then the original post is nonsense... thats what it linked to.

its pretty unfounded, as I said, if it were something serious we would know at some level.. not some random unheard of (at least by me..) site that links to the first instance of the raid.
 
Mr. Redundant said:
then the original post is nonsense... thats what it linked to.

its pretty unfounded, as I said, if it were something serious we would know at some level.. not some random unheard of (at least by me..) site that links to the first instance of the raid.
Thats what happened last time, nobody believed it, accused the rest of us of making it up, then it was proven true. If its not proven true this second time then so be it, but the alleged raid had to have come from somewhere.
 
so this is how it mannaged to be a suprise pop up game... hahahahah farcry uses pirated software? HAHAHAHAHAAH i have got to do my school report on this one
 
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