Death Penalty, when?

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  • Death penalty = never!

    Votes: 27 42.9%

  • Sometimes death is needed.

    Votes: 36 57.1%
  • Total voters
    63
The death penalty should be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt of guilt, as well as absolutely no chance of rehabilitation.

In other words, extremely rarely.
 
Chung was convicted of killing 13 people and seriously injuring 20 in 24 assaults between January 2004 and April 2006. In March, he broke into a house in Bongchon-dong, Seoul where he hit the owner’s three daughters with blunt objects, killing two of them.
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Just killing him isn't enough of a punishment.
 
Perhaps I should have added a few more items. Any mods out there? could you add "very rarely" and "more frequently" on there?
 
bvasgm said:
Just killing him isn't enough of a punishment.
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The 37-year-old suspect, who admitted to burning hatred of the wealthy, made thorough preparations for his crimes, police say. He watched crime thrillers such as “Memories of Murder” and “The Silence of the Lambs”, read several books on psychology, science and the human body, and ran 10 km every day to build up his physical strength. He also used different weapons to make it difficult for police to track him down.

“To confuse police investigators, he used knives in seven cases in 2004 and blunt objects in four cases in 2005 and two cases this year,” police said. They are also investigating whether he raped his victims after he confessed to killing women who resisted his attempts to rape them.
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Wow. :/

I agree.
 
I agree with Mecha.

He watched crime thrillers such as “Memories of Murder” and “The Silence of the Lambs”
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Oh Jack Thompson would have a field day if those were computer games.
 
Its just the whole system.

A guy ran down a girl in the street as she was crossing the road on her bike, he was speeding, caught ON CAMERA and recieved a speeding ticket and 1 month in jail or something pathetic like that.

Yet in some situations, people get done for 'manslaughter' even if it was a complete accident/wasn't their fault.
 
Only in the case of multiple or repeat hommicide where there is absolutly no doubt whatsoever.
 
When it's 100% proven that a murderer and/or rapist is guilty. Then they deserve the death penalty.

Unless they ask for the death penalty. You keep them in a cell for the rest of their lives without human contact.
 
I always thought that kill someone who killed other is the more just stuff

but now I change I mind,prisions should think of some better punishment
 
I'd like to see the complete abolishment of prisons.
 
Angry Lawyer said:
And what, exactly, would we do with criminals? Put them all to death?

-Angry Lawyer
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Maybe I'm uneducated in this respect, but I don't see a point in Death Row inmates remaining imprisoned for an ungodly amount of time. All they seem to be doing is absorbing US tax dollars.

On a separete point, I think a sizable amount of the prison population should be moved to a psych ward where they could recieve mental care, instead of festering their mental problems.
 
Or forced Labour camps, for the more persistant offenders.
 
Those in favour of the death penalty:
Give me ONE rational reason to kill a man who is no longer a threat to anyone.

You can't, because there isn't a rational reason to. Death penalty is purely emotional satisfaction. I wouldn't mind seeing the murderer of my family dead. Hell, I'd want him tortured. But do you base a punishment on what is emotionally satisfying? You're in favor of torture too?

You might as well start giving physical punishment to thieves, because that's what I would want to see done to someone who steals my possessions.

Death penalty is purely emotional. It's not based on any rationality. Do you want courts to hand out sentences based on emotions rather than reason? Because there is no reason to kill someone you already own.

It's only OK to kill a criminal when he resists arrest or he is an immediate threat to his surroundings. But how barbaric is it to capture someone, have him at your mercy and kill a harmless person? Just lock them up for good, just as effective.
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Ever been in a mental health building?

-Angry Lawyer
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I don't mean structually, I mean philosphically.
I view criminals as victims of societys failures (most of them anyway). Tony Blair should not be shot, he should be made to see how wrong he was, a la 1984.
 
The Death Penalty is the ultimate punishment. I honestly think it should be carried out far faster if guilt is not an issue.
 
0mar said:
The Death Penalty is the ultimate punishment. I honestly think it should be carried out far faster if guilt is not an issue.
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How can guilt ever not be an issue. It's alright saying I support the death penalty in cases where its 100% certain, nothings that certain in a court.
 
PvtRyan said:
That's four words and a '-'.
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Lies. Everyone knows that "Angry Lawyer" is one word, "Soylent Green" is another, and that "-"'s don't exist.

On a more serious note, the only advantage I can actually see from havin g a death penalty is the economic benefit of not having to keep a prisoner.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Lies. Everyone knows that "Angry Lawyer" is one word, "Soylent Green" is another, and that "-"'s don't exist.

On a more serious note, the only advantage I can actually see from havin g a death penalty is the economic benefit of not having to keep a prisoner.

-Angry Lawyer
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It costs millions to kill someone.
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Lies. Everyone knows that "Angry Lawyer" is one word, "Soylent Green" is another, and that "-"'s don't exist.

On a more serious note, the only advantage I can actually see from havin g a death penalty is the economic benefit of not having to keep a prisoner.

-Angry Lawyer
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Death penalty is more expensive than a life sentence.

But even then, killing someone over financial reasons is even more barbaric.
 
I feel no hatred towards people who commit wrongful deeds. Sometimes, crime is out of necessity. They still deserve time, but I can empathize with them. The only people who deserve the death penalty are, as I said, murderers and rapists. Now, for some, it was encouraged by bad childhoods or tragic events. That doesn't mean we still shouldn't punish them for what they did. So your father abused you. Now you take your anger out on the young college woman down the street? Or the child at the playground? No. I'm sorry for what you had to go through, but that's unacceptable.

I do believe we need some better social programs to prevent things like murder or rape or theft from happening. It's one of the things worth people's tax dollars.
 
PvtRyan said:
Death penalty is more expensive than a life sentence.

But even then, killing someone over financial reasons is even more barbaric.
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I didn't say I supported such acts. Plus you'd have to find more cost-effective ways of doing it. But, yeah, that's about the only thing.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
I didn't say I supported such acts. Plus you'd have to find more cost-effective ways of doing it. But, yeah, that's about the only thing.

-Angry Lawyer
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It's not that killing someone is so expensive, but it's the court cases. You can't really make that more cost effective unless you wanna increase the chance of sentencing an innocent person.

And after that, the person will still sit on death row for years, high security which isn't cheap either.
 
DeusExMachina said:
I feel no hatred towards people who commit wrongful deeds. Sometimes, crime is out of necessity. They still deserve time, but I can empathize with them. The only people who deserve the death penalty are, as I said, murderers and rapists. Now, for some, it was encouraged by bad childhoods or tragic events. That doesn't mean we still shouldn't punish them for what they did. So your father abused you. Now you take your anger out on the young college woman down the street? Or the child at the playground? No. I'm sorry for what you had to go through, but that's unacceptable.

I do believe we need some better social programs to prevent things like murder or rape or theft from happening. It's one of the things worth people's tax dollars.
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But then we'd have loads of unemployed police! D:
 
PvtRyan said:
Death penalty is more expensive than a life sentence.

But even then, killing someone over financial reasons is even more barbaric.
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Let's say hypothetically that the state was killing criminals (namely murderers, rapists) for financial reasons. Honestly, I might be ignorant, but I don't see the barbarism in that. Again, hypothetically, they save ghastly amounts of money by executing these murderers. If that money can flow into something good, like say social programs for the deviant, charitable donations to the poor and helpess. I would rather that be done than supporting a death row inmate for a lengthy amount of time.

Also, courts have to establish the guilt of someone, obviously. So, I don't really see it as more of a financial burden. Once the guilt is established, those murderers should die, not languish in cells absorbing money that could be put to much better use.

Of course, you have your appeals, so I could see how that is financially taxing.

Anyway, if someone clearly shows they cannot be rehabilitated, where violence and other macabre acts are concerned, I think execution is the only viable option.

Mercy is one thing, mindless mercy is quite another.
 
So you think quantifying a human life to an amount of money isn't barbaric?

And you still haven't given any reason to kill someone, if someone isn't capable of rehabilitation, then just leave him in prison for the rest of his life? Why kill someone that forms no threat to anyone? The justice system is either there for protection of the society or rehabilitation of an inmate, death sentence has no advantage over life sentence on either point.

Why is execution the only viable option? What advantage does it give over life sentence? Emotional satisfaction of seeing the bastard die? Exactly.

And don't give the "you'll save prison cells" crap, the few thousand prison cells you save on the prison population of 2 million isn't going to make any difference.
 
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