Death Row inmate requests Firing Squad

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A judge signed an execution warrant Friday for Ronnie Lee Gardner, ordering that he be put to death on June 18.

"I would like the firing squad, please," Gardner told 3rd District Judge Robin Reese.

Reese heard last-minute arguments by defense attorneys hoping to convince him to change the sentence to life in prison. But the judge refused and signed the warrant authorizing the Utah State Prison to execute him.
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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700026902/Gardners-execution-warrant-signed.html
 
Are we even allowed to do the firing squad thing?
 
"Though a law passed by the 2004 Utah Legislature eliminated death by firing squad, those who had requested such a death originally are still allowed the option."
 
So who will do the job? The infantry? The police? Bubba the Redneck?
 
If Bubba the Redneck doesnt want to do it I'll sign up.
 
Looks like they shot down his appeal again.
 
Who the **** cares what he requests, I ask. let him die in the least interesting way possible.
 
Raziaar said:
Who the **** cares what he requests, I ask. let him die in the least interesting way possible.
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He's gonna die anyways, may as well make it cool to watch for the rest of us.
 
Dog-- said:
He's gonna die anyways, may as well make it cool to watch for the rest of us.
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Meh. I'm not good at seeing people die... even people who deserve it. It's the thought that counts for me.
 
They are putting him to death. If law stipulates that he has a choice, then what's the problem?

Damn. Some of you guys would just let him starve to death in jail with no toilet paper or nothing. Who cares if he gets to wipe his ass like a human being. Who cares if he gets to choose his last meal, gets to say any last words, or choose between two ways of dying.

lol
 
If I recall I had a conversation about capital punishment at my most recent Political Science Club meeting. Someone said that death by firing squad was the most humane because (IF DONE CORRECTLY, OF COURSE) it's quick and relatively painless, as opposed to lethal injection or electric chair.
 
If I was on death row I'd want to be pumped with Viagara and bang my brains out with the best hookers this country could offer. and if my heart doesn't stop my dick would probably die and then you could kill me
 
As long as we let that this digusting and absurd practice to go on, we may as well give the recipients the option to choose how they're inhumanely disposed of.
 
Warped said:
If I was on death row I'd want to be pumped with Viagara and bang my brains out with the best hookers this country could offer. and if my heart doesn't stop my dick would probably die and then you could kill me
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I think that might actually cost the State less money than your typical execution ...
 
omg some guy rapes and tortures and kills some 9 year old girl or something and he deserves to die in the most horrible way, some other guy kills a person or two and its "OMG DISGUSTING!"

You guys are idiots.
 
I don't really have any idea what you're trying to say, but the death penalty makes absolutely no practical or ethical sense, and if you think otherwise, I'll gladly tell you why you're dumb.
 
Dog-- said:
omg some guy rapes and tortures and kills some 9 year old girl or something and he deserves to die in the most horrible way, some other guy kills a person or two and its "OMG DISGUSTING!"

You guys are idiots.
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"Killing is wrong! Lets KILL THE KILLER!"
 
If anywhere allows the death penalty, they should be useful deaths. Death by electrocution is stupid, but what about seeing how much LSD would kill someone? At least that way, science gets something out of it.

Or how long it would take to kill someone by just feeding them chocolate sponge pudding 24/7.
 
Corp. Sheepo said:
I don't really have any idea what you're trying to say, but the death penalty makes absolutely no practical or ethical sense, and if you think otherwise, I'll gladly tell you why you're dumb.
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I was saying that most people here would read about a child rape story and every post made by members here would be 'that guy needs to die in the most painful way possible' but when it comes down to his execution everyone is all 'death penalty is WRONG!!'.
 
Dekstar said:
If anywhere allows the death penalty, they should be useful deaths. Death by electrocution is stupid, but what about seeing how much LSD would kill someone? At least that way, science gets something out of it.

Or how long it would take to kill someone by just feeding them chocolate sponge pudding 24/7.
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You're not seriously advocating this right?
 
Dog-- said:
I was saying that most people here would read about a child rape story and every post made by members here would be 'that guy needs to die in the most painful way possible' but when it comes down to his execution everyone is all 'death penalty is WRONG!!'.
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Yeah, an offhand, half-joking internet post reaction to a horrible crime equates perfectly to some one's actual stance on a serious issue. Yep.
 
Dekstar said:
If anywhere allows the death penalty, they should be useful deaths. Death by electrocution is stupid, but what about seeing how much LSD would kill someone? At least that way, science gets something out of it.

Or how long it would take to kill someone by just feeding them chocolate sponge pudding 24/7.
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This is an interesting notion.

Of course, I'm all for protocol and "the right way to do things" but still, this intrigues me.
 
An eye for an eye.

He is going to lose his life anyways, so he should at least get the option to pick the date.
 
flamingdts said:
An eye for an eye.

He is going to lose his life anyways, so he should at least get the option to pick the date.
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But you know, it's kinda like allowing prisoners to choose their prison in which to live out their life sentences in.

Or letting you choose which currency you want to pay your fine in.
 
15357 said:
But you know, it's kinda like allowing prisoners to choose their prison in which to live out their life sentences in.

Or letting you choose which currency you want to pay your fine in.
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This is a lose lose situation.

We are talking about a life here.

He took a life, so he should surrender his. However, it is HIS life, I think he should at least be allowed to take some control of what he has left. Sure, he didn't give his victim a chance, but torturing him doesn't make the justice system any better. It's an eye for an eye in the end. It doesn't matter how it's done, as long as it is done. There is no need to torture him, but there is a need to take his life.
 
Dekstar said:
If anywhere allows the death penalty, they should be useful deaths. Death by electrocution is stupid, but what about seeing how much LSD would kill someone? At least that way, science gets something out of it.

Or how long it would take to kill someone by just feeding them chocolate sponge pudding 24/7.
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This would be the only time in which I think the death penalty would work - if the death actually meant something - also if they had all their organs given to correct donors and all their blood drained from them before they die.
Hopefully the death penalty would then save lives as well as take them...
 
Dekstar said:
If anywhere allows the death penalty, they should be useful deaths. Death by electrocution is stupid, but what about seeing how much LSD would kill someone? At least that way, science gets something out of it.

Or how long it would take to kill someone by just feeding them chocolate sponge pudding 24/7.
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Sloth said:
This would be the only time in which I think the death penalty would work - if the death actually meant something - also if they had all their organs given to correct donors and all their blood drained from them before they die.
Hopefully the death penalty would then save lives as well as take them...
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They could opt-in/volunteer for these things, but you can't force anyone for any of these. You cannot simply experiment on prisoners.

It's a good idea, if they want to donate organs upon death, volunteer for shampoo testing, taste test your mother's cooking, etc.


I'm an organ donor, and that was my choice. Because, even in death, I want to save someone who doesn't want to die.
 
Dekstar said:
If anywhere allows the death penalty, they should be useful deaths. Death by electrocution is stupid, but what about seeing how much LSD would kill someone? At least that way, science gets something out of it.
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It's impossible to die from LSD, no matter how much you take.
 
flamingdts said:
This is a lose lose situation.

We are talking about a life here.

He took a life, so he should surrender his. However, it is HIS life, I think he should at least be allowed to take some control of what he has left. Sure, he didn't give his victim a chance, but torturing him doesn't make the justice system any better. It's an eye for an eye in the end. It doesn't matter how it's done, as long as it is done. There is no need to torture him, but there is a need to take his life.
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Something tells me I won't be able to convince you what a ****ed up ideal ya got there, so why don't I just give you the two fundamental practical reasons against it:

a) It's only an 'eye for an eye' when the justice system gets it right and knows exactly who did what under what circumstances. Which it doesn't, a lot.

b) Costs much more.
 
I think we should have death races. Or Gladiator arenas. Whould be sweet.
 
Corp. Sheepo said:
Something tells me I won't be able to convince you what a ****ed up ideal ya got there, so why don't I just give you the two fundamental practical reasons against it:

a) It's only an 'eye for an eye' when the justice system gets it right and knows exactly who did what under what circumstances. Which it doesn't, a lot.

b) Costs much more.
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a) If I was innocent, I would not be asking to be put to death, because there is always a glimpse of hope for the truth to be uncovered.

b) Cost much more money to kill the prisoner than to keep him alive for the next 50 years? Really?

It's hypocritical how you consider my ideals messed up when yours are equally as bad. Let ME give you reasons why keeping a prisoner alive is impractical.

a) You keep the criminal alive, thus you are spending tax money keeping him alive

b) You keep the criminal alive, thus you are risking the possibility of him engaging into fights with other inmates. He might even kill a criminal who was sentenced to 3 months in prison for petty crimes. He IS a murderer, and if he has killed before he has the ability to kill again, especially when his victims are convicts as well (innocent or not).

c) You keep the criminal alive, you give him a chance to escape.

d) You keep the criminal alive, you give him a chance to injure or kill a guard.

The guy is sentenced to life in prison, he has nothing to lose. If he gets the chance to escape, he will take it. If he has to kill a guard to escape, he will do it. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose by escaping.
 
"b) Cost much more money to kill the prisoner than to keep him alive for the next 50 years? Really?"
Yes, the appeals and such costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
 
flamingdts said:
a) If I was innocent, I would not be asking to be put to death, because there is always a glimpse of hope for the truth to be uncovered.

b) Cost much more money to kill the prisoner than to keep him alive for the next 50 years? Really?
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a) We're arguing the death penalty, not the innocence or guilt of the person this thread is about. Innocent people are put to death under capital punishment. Fact.

b) As Solaris said, the cost for appeals and time in court for some one who recieves the death penalty is monumental. This is a measure against point A, like a constant 'double check' before you really pull the plug on this guy. No justice system is perfect though, no matter how many times you go through it. To make it more accurate would cost more, to make it cheaper would result in more mistakes.
It's hypocritical how you consider my ideals messed up when yours are equally as bad. Let ME give you reasons why keeping a prisoner alive is impractical.

a) You keep the criminal alive, thus you are spending tax money keeping him alive

b) You keep the criminal alive, thus you are risking the possibility of him engaging into fights with other inmates. He might even kill a criminal who was sentenced to 3 months in prison for petty crimes. He IS a murderer, and if he has killed before he has the ability to kill again, especially when his victims are convicts as well (innocent or not).

c) You keep the criminal alive, you give him a chance to escape.

d) You keep the criminal alive, you give him a chance to injure or kill a guard.

The guy is sentenced to life in prison, he has nothing to lose. If he gets the chance to escape, he will take it. If he has to kill a guard to escape, he will do it. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose by escaping.
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This is hilarious. Here I'll make a list of the problems we have here:
a) Point A has already been covered, though to be fair, I hadn't adequately explained it until this post.

b) Points B, C, and D could fall under a single point, "Keeping the criminal alive is a risk".

c) All of those risks are there for any criminal, yet for the hypothetical criminal we're considering, it's a better plan to just kill him than put up with them.

d) This 'criminal' we're talking about, is a person. We can't characterize him as a pro vs con list for keeping him alive. He could've done what he did for many reasons, mental or psychological illness, some sort of episode, emotional distress. We can't just pretend these people are inhuman monsters and do away with them. It's our duty as civilized people to try and help them.
 
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