Deus Ex: IW anybody?

[csmighty1]

has any poor soul played this game yet?

I still have hope but not much...ill wait until a review comes out, but in the meantime, has anybody played it for the pc yet?

I'm sure you could get it today

 

[Axyon]

Not touching it until it gets released officially here, which is February. Hopefully by then ISA will have fixed/changed alot of the bad sections of the game, but I'm pretty doubtful :/

 

[csmighty1]

they delayed it until febuary? jeeze, i guess releasing that demo saved thier skins,

but their offical site still says dec. 3rd? how does that work?

 

[Axyon]

Originally posted by csmighty1
they delayed it until febuary? jeeze, i guess releasing that demo saved thier skins,

but their offical site still says dec. 3rd? how does that work?

No, Europe gets it in February because of language translations.

 

[Dedalus]

DX2 is an almighty piece of shit. gamespy reviewed it and predictably they loved it.

but we're not that stupid are we...DX2 is a piece of shit and everyone knows it. play and make fun of it.

flame over.....for now....

 

[thenerdguy]

I rather liked it But I wont get into a fight over you're fealing toward it.

 

[thehunter1320]

Originally posted by Abom|nation
No, Europe gets it in February because of language translations.

language translations?? we both speak bloody english! ... wait... bloody?.... i've been hanging out with u british chaps to long

 

[Axyon]

Originally posted by thehunter1320
language translations?? we both speak bloody english! ... wait... bloody?.... i've been hanging out with u british chaps to long

Exactly, it's crazy. I can understand the delay for countries like France, Spain, Germany etc. But why Britain? Meh, as I say though, this gives me a good excuse to not buy it in the hope that they may fix certain crappy elements.

Glad to see you're using the British lingo, too. Wanker.

 

[thehunter1320]

Originally posted by Abom|nation

Glad to see you're using the British lingo, too. Wanker.

wanna know what scares me...? i know what wanker means...

 

[thenerdguy]

what does SMEG mean? Ive watched to many RED DWARF episodes!

 

[Axyon]

Originally posted by thenerdguy
what does SMEG mean? Ive watched to many RED DWARF episodes!

Nothing, the BBC wouldn't let them use real swear words so they made their own up - Smeg, goit etc.

 

[Kadayi]

'SMEG' was just a made up word swear word (like 'Drokk' in 2000AD), because Red dwarf was broadcast too early in the evening for proper swearing (although Smegma is the green shit you cough up the day after a heavy night). Another UK comedy program called Father Ted used 'Feck' as their made up word, which was hilarious given the usage 'feck you you fecker!!' etc, etc and the fact the show was about 3 mad irish priests. Well worth a viewing if you get the chance.

 

[Axyon]

Heh, Father Ted is brilliant too. Jack's the best part of the show!

Anyway, we're getting Off-Topic. But anyone feel free to make a topic dedicated to British/Irish comedy programs

 

[mrchimp]

http://www.actiontrip.com/reviews/deusexinvisiblewar.phtml

Another review that gave it a high score :farmer:

 

[ductonius]

Originally posted by Dedalus

.DX2 is a piece of shit and everyone knows it.

Except anyone who hasent actually played the game. That would mean you, I, and everyone else in this forum.

I reserve judgement until I've played the game.

 

[Letters]

IGN gave it a 9.0...

 

[Computer5k]

Try the demo.
Here

 

[ductonius]

I just took a gander at the Ion Storm forum. There is a large group of people have made a hobby of calling down DX:IW. Each good review that comes in is labled as "biased" or "bought off" (actually, "on crack" is the phrase most often used) while every negaitve blub siad by Joe Nobody who just happens to run a website is taken as absolute truth.

Stated plainly: It seems there is a large crowd of people who have decided it sucks without actually playing it and are searching for any excuse to make it look bad.

 

[Neutrino]

Stated plainly: It seems there is a large crowd of people who have decided it sucks without actually playing it and are searching for any excuse to make it look bad.

Well, perhaps that is because they played this little thing known as a demo, which is suppose to be an accurate representation of the game, and didn't like it. These people are not just basing their opinions on nothing.

I agree that if someone bashes a game without playing it at all then they are not being objective. But if you play a D_E_M_O of a game that is suppose to release a few weeks later and it sucks, that is a pretty good clue of what the game will be like. Unless of course they deley it and fix everything.

 

[Dedalus]

Originally posted by ductonius
I just took a gander at the Ion Storm forum. There is a large group of people have made a hobby of calling down DX:IW. Each good review that comes in is labled as "biased" or "bought off" (actually, "on crack" is the phrase most often used) while every negaitve blub siad by Joe Nobody who just happens to run a website is taken as absolute truth.

Stated plainly: It seems there is a large crowd of people who have decided it sucks without actually playing it and are searching for any excuse to make it look bad.

tell me, who's in a position to comment more about a game? someone who loves those sorts of games, or some corporate bitch who's just going through the motions to get the review out. people who've played the demo will know that DX2 looks like it's gonna turn out to be a great big turd. how can you trust reviewers in a case like this? either we've played a different game or the reviewers are onto something. personally, going by the reviewers track record, i'd say the fans can stick by their preconception of DX2. i'm gonna continue flaming DX2 until i actually play it, then i'll probably laugh like a maniac and continue flaming. so there!

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

well.. the demo was TOTALL SHAT. And allthough some of the issues have been delt with, they still got Unifide ammo, still got no headshots, IS answer for everything thats shat about DE2 seems to be "Balenceing issues" Most people dont give 2 shits about the bad gfx, its just the bad gameplay.. along with crap AI I doubt they have fixxed.

Alot of review sites will of been paid too do good reviews, or given a free copy to do a review, thats why I never go by reviews of alot of sites like gamespy or ign, if PLAYERS, as in people who post on forums and whatnot, give there own small review and say its good, then maybe I'll get it as I have no reason not to trust em.

Blah.

 

[Letters]

The demo wouldn't even fire up for me... heh... and a game that relies heavily on A.I. has weird A.I... fascinating...

 

[ductonius]

Originally posted by Neutrino
Well, perhaps that is because they played this little thing known as a demo, which is suppose to be an accurate representation of the game, and didn't like it.

It is one thing to play the demo and say you didnt like it. It is another to decalir that every reviewer is "on crack" (as I have seen numerous times) or is biased in some way.

Since many of these people also complain that the requriements are high, it is not unreasoable to assume that many of them have not, in fact, played the demo.

Originally posted by Neutrino
These people are not just basing their opinions on nothing.

Granted, but does that explain why many of them berate the reviewers? No, it dosnet. If someone has an issue with what a reviewer said, it would be reasonable to argue against thier points with referenes to the game and counter points.

So far, I havent seen a sinlge one of the negative people do this. The most common response is to attack the reviewer for being biased, "on crack", paid off or the like, or attack the review site itself for similar reasons.

People who do not like a game simply dont play it and have nothing more to do with the subject.

People who use the official forum to attack reviewers, the producers and other poeple who liked the game have ulterior motives. That is, they dislike the game/designers for reasons other than how the game turned out.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

What I find interesting is that all the loyal fans of deus ex on the offical forums were horrfied by the demo, and some even took part in the flaming along with the unimformed. Doesn't that say somthing....

"People who do not like a game simply dont play it and have nothing more to do with the subject. " - I don't agree, people are annoyed and shocked from what they thought would be another clasic. They have every right to complain about the game. Even if they can't change it....


I think they made some bad mistakes in Deus Ex 2. Not because of the X-BOX really. I just think they made some weird and downright silly decisions (unified ammo purhaps)

I was a HUGE fan of the orriginal. I rank it as second only to HL. And that I am not even totally sure of....




The demo does not seem to live up to it at all in my opinion. I don't call a game like that immersive when AI walks casually into flames because he heard something in that dirrection.

 

[ductonius]

Originally posted by Dedalus
tell me, who's in a position to comment more about a game? someone who loves those sorts of games, or some corporate bitch who's just going through the motions to get the review out.

The reviewer of cource.

If they give inaccurate reviews they loose credibility.

In addition, someone who "loves those sorts of games" whill have a certian set of expectations with which they will measure the game. They will do this if the game was meant to go up against those expectiation or not.

Originally posted by Dedalus
people who've played the demo will know that DX2 looks like it's gonna turn out to be a great big turd.

Except the people who played the demo and liked it.

Depiste the furvor of the bashing side, I see an equal number of people who played it and liked what they saw.

Originally posted by Dedalus
how can you trust reviewers in a case like this?

How can you single out this case as one to not trust reviewers?

Originally posted by Dedalus
either we've played a different game or the reviewers are onto something.

Or, the reviewers, whos jobs it is to look at a game without bias are actually representing the game properly, while the "fans" are not setting aside thier expectations and are not giving it a fair chance.

If you need an answer from your two choices, I would pick #1. Because they did not look at it though bias, they played a different game.

Originally posted by Dedalus
personally, going by the reviewers track record, i'd say the fans can stick by their preconception of DX2.

I personally think the reviewers track record has been that, taken on a whole (eight or ten reviews together), one can get a very good picrue of what the game is like.

So far, I have seen about a half dozen good reviews which, I might add, also point out problems.

Originally posted by Dedalus
i'm gonna continue flaming DX2 until i actually play it, then i'll probably laugh like a maniac and continue flaming. so there!

That is your choice.

 

[Dedalus]

Originally posted by ductonius
People who use the official forum to attack reviewers, the producers and other poeple who liked the game have ulterior motives. That is, they dislike the game/designers for reasons other than how the game turned out.

yes i wish to punish those responsible for ruining what could have been the best game ever. seriously. it could've rivalled HL2 in my books. but no, they had to sell out to the corporate money making machine that is Microsoft. this means that DX2 was also being made for the XBOX. said xbox is notorious for F.UCKING RUINING the best PC games. so (me personally) i want to teach the designers a lesson in game design and how to treat your fans. you guys thought valve were bad to their fans? not a scratch on what IS have done. they've alienated their ENTIRE fan base, and i mean 99%.

as someone who works on games i know the importance of both fans and making money. but there is no way i'd sacrifice my art and my own damn work so i could make a few extra bob at the expense of the gamers. with Deus Ex IS and Eidos had a brand name. they could've done something spectacular with it. moved it onto the higher echelons of gaming. but no. they have to dumb it down and go back to square one. the result? they've pretty much lost their fan base, lost the potential for a brand name being successful, and by golly i bet every single one of you will download it off IRC or bitorrent rather than buy it now.

on the subject of the review sites, it's a proven fact that reviewers from both IGN and gamespy have low standards and are easy to please. there are numerous games that they've reviewed where i can say 'no it wasn't that good why is your score so high?'. they always do that, there's no escaping it. so yeah i agree with you we should wait till february. but until then, may IS, Eidos, MS and the xbox burn in hell for their sins against mankind.


EDIT: this debate is going nowhere so i resign.

 

[Shuzer]

I don't understand why people say DX2 has crappy graphics. I mean, they're not the best out there, but the lighting and shadows more than make up for that, IMO..

I hated the demo at first, but, after learning about the tweaks for it, I reinstalled it and gave it a second chance.. I'm actually thinking of buying it, or, atleast putting it high on my Christmas list

 

[ductonius]

Originally posted by marksmanHL2
What I find interesting is that all the loyal fans of deus ex on the offical forums were horrfied by the demo, and some even took part in the flaming along with the unimformed. Doesn't that say somthing....

It says nothing, since it is not true.

I have seen many people who loved the demo and many who disliked it did so for the same reasons they "disliked" it before they played the demo. That is, they used the demo to verify thier own hatred without giving it a fair chance.

Originally posted by marksmanHL2
I don't agree, people are annoyed and shocked from what they thought would be another clasic. They have every right to complain about the game. Even if they can't change it....

I never said they didnt have the right to compalin about he game. What I said was that it is not reasonalbe to continue to berate a game for days on end if the only problem the person had with it were in and of the game itself.

Originally posted by marksmanHL2

I think they made some bad mistakes in Deus Ex 2. Not because of the X-BOX really. I just think they made some weird and downright silly decisions (unified ammo purhaps)

Unified ammo is not a bad idea. Its only bad if only those things in DX1 can be good.

 

[ductonius]

Originally posted by Dedalus
yes i wish to punish those responsible for ruining w[snip]...[/snip]ad it off IRC or bitorrent rather than buy it now.

It sounds like your angry becaue the game did not turn out the way you wanted it to, instead of becaue it is a poorly designed game.

Originally posted by Dedalus

on the subject of the review sites, it's a proven fact that reviewers from both IGN and gamespy have low standards and are easy to please.

I hardly think its possible to claim that a review site, or a collection of them are "proven" to have low standards.

Besides, thee are at least three more reviews of DX:IW that state the same things as those two.

Originally posted by Dedalus
there are numerous games that they've reviewed where i can say 'no it wasn't that good why is your score so high?'.

Many times its becuae they cant penalize a game for being a copycat. I didnt think Rise of Nations was that great of a game simply becuae the gameplay was stale and basically copied over from Age of Empires.

However, I have to say that had I never played Age of Empires or Age of Mythology, it would have been just amazing, hence the high score it recieved at many review sites is justified.

 

[Narcolepsy]

Originally posted by Shuzer
I don't understand why people say DX2 has crappy graphics. I mean, they're not the best out there, but the lighting and shadows more than make up for that, IMO..

I hated the demo at first, but, after learning about the tweaks for it, I reinstalled it and gave it a second chance.. I'm actually thinking of buying it, or, atleast putting it high on my Christmas list

Yes, THANK YOU! At least one other person liked the demo. I'm definitely getting it for Christmas. Besides, don't most reviewers agree that the game is pretty good?

 

[Neutrino]

Well I had never heard of Dues Ex before downloading the demo, so I had no expectations whatsoever. I hadn't even read a single post or review on it. But after playing through the demo I still thought it was rather poorly put together. I agree that the graphics weren't that bad, aside from some low res textures. The dynamic lighting was nice too.

But for me the little things which give a game it's own "feel" are very important. Things like interface, consistency, realism, movement, and other aspects. It's these little things which really make a game for me and bring about true immersion. Dues Ex: IW just didn't have these qualities in my opinion. The interface was clunky and more difficult than it needed to be. The AI wasn't too bad some of the time, but at other times it was atrocious. Parts of the physics system were horribly unrealistic, specifically in relation to ragdoll physics. Enemies sometimes took 5 shots in the head to die. And there were major clipping issues, which included doors moving through your body if you happen to shut one while standing in front of it. And last, the player movement lacked a certain realism, which is present in other games. This included things from general mouse control to jump height. There were other small issues, but I will leave it at that.

Now I'm not saying it is going to be a horrible game by any means. These are all rather small issues relative to general gameplay. So perhaps an excellent story line and exquisite gameplay will push these issues into the shadows. But even if this were to happen I would still not buy the game.

To me a game is an art piece created by the developers. They pour their creative talent into creating a masterpiece to present to the public. As with any other piece of art, I expect it to be completed to the best ability of the artist. I do not expect pieces to be missing, half-finished, or shoddily done. If they do not have enough self-pride in their work to take it to artistic completion, then I see no reason to trade them money for their product or art, just as I would not buy a Picasso if a few small parts were done with connect the dots.

 

[dawdler]

Well, since this thread got pulled up I thought I'd give my short review, I played the demo yesterday:

ITS HORRIBLE!!! ARRRRGH!!!

That is my best description of it, and probably the kindest I can think of. From the second I launched the demo, I started thinking "this aint good..." because of the simply awfull scenery. When walking into a room, the feeling got even worse. It didnt have the slightest feel of reality over it, everything just looked... stupid. I have NEVER felt that about a game before... I actually became sick of it just after a minute. Literally. The gui and weapon handling just made me cry.

And the performance!? You can just SCREAM out into thin air, its that frustrating. It DEFINETLY doesnt warrant such low speed for the image you see, its almost as bad as Halo! Max Payne 2 looked 10 times prettier, and runs 10 times faster... True, it lacked the fancy realtime lighting, but what does that help it? I wont play the game just because of that.
Not to mention, graphics was artifacting all over the place.
I honestly dont get the reviews. They seem to give 8 or 9, but all the reader reviews give 4 or 5

 

[mrchimp]

I havn't seen one bad review of DE:IW yet which is starting to worry me, maybe the full game is alot better but I doubt it. I think they might be giveing it a high score because it is simply the sequal to one of the most popular games ever and don't want to look like there saying it's shit because there compareing it to the first which only a very few games can live upto and there for is an unfair comparison.

Film critcs get accused of this all the time and quite frankly alot of them do compare a sequal to the first instead of compareing it to films in general. They also tend to let nostalgia get in the way as well. Game critics don't want to do this which is fair enough, but they appear to have gone too far in the opposite direction.

Some reviewers might genuinley like it, but there should be a good deal that hate it, which means there should be a good deal giveing it 4 or 5's (out of 10) or if they didn't bother trying to be unbiased 2 or 3.

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by ZoomaCLW
Yes, THANK YOU! At least one other person liked the demo. I'm definitely getting it for Christmas. Besides, don't most reviewers agree that the game is pretty good?

Yep. IGN said to ignore the demo, it was a poor choice put out by IonStorm.

Anyhow, I definitely want to get it for Christmas after playing it again last night.. it's alot of fun, I kinda like the more simplistic path they took this time around, nice change of pace