Did they rescue those two soldiers?

[hari66]

The entire Israel-Hezbollah conflict started out on the pretext of rescuing two Israeli soldiers,right? Have they been rescued? Has Israel given up on them? How would their families feel right now, that a ceasefire has been agreed on?
If so, what was the point of this conflict.?
just wondering.

 

[Gunner]

No, they haven't been rescued and you can be damn sure Israel will never give up. They're still using resources to locate a downed fighter pilot from the seventies.

If so, what was the point of this conflict.?

You should really familiarize yourself with the Middle-East's history.

 

[63]

If so, what was the point of this conflict.?

You don't really think it was just about the soldiers...?

Have they found any nukes in Iraq?

 

[hari66]

You should really familiarize yourself with the Middle-East's history.

i know the goddamn bloody history of the middle east conflict!!!
just being sarcastic about the professed reasons on which countries go to war.

 

[15357]

The point of this conflict was to ensure that lebanon's cities and villages get destroyed in order to maintain superiority. With some land gains.

And also to kill innocent children so that they can maintain their hostile-to-and-by-arab-nations-status.

 

[Kangy]

The point of this conflict was to ensure that lebanon's cities and villages get destroyed in order to maintain superiority. With some land gains.

And also to kill innocent children so that they can maintain their hostile-to-and-by-arab-nations-status.

What the hell?

I think it was pretty obvious that while Israel wanted their troops back, they also saw Hezbollah getting needlessly uppity and dangerous. Hence the attacks on them.

 

[No Limit]

What the hell?

I think it was pretty obvious that while Israel wanted their troops back, they also saw Hezbollah getting needlessly uppity and dangerous. Hence the attacks on them.

This was nothing more than a plot by Bush and Israel to bomb Iran. Read up on it. It is also now suspected that the terror plot in the UK was exposed to hide this story from coming out.

 

[pvtbones]

This was nothing more than a plot by Bush and Israel to bomb Iran. Read up on it. It is also now suspected that the terror plot in the UK was exposed to hide this story from coming out.

why the hell is everything a plot by America and CountryX?! did America kick your dog or something?

 

[Kangy]

This was nothing more than a plot by Bush and Israel to bomb Iran. Read up on it. It is also now suspected that the terror plot in the UK was exposed to hide this story from coming out.

Oh right, just like all Republicans are somehow subhuman and every liberal is fantastic? You're what makes politics on hl2.net so completely ridiculous.

 

[Tr0n]

Ooooooooooo...burn.

 

[No Limit]

I was hoping you guys were a little smarter and after all the years I've been here have a little more faith in me. Granted I probably should have posted my sources but I am in a rush this morning.

Here is the source for Bush plotting with Iran to bomb lebanon so that could be used as a premise for attacking Iran:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10396119

The US reportedly considered Israel's actions as a necessary prerequisite for a possible strike against Iran.

A report by a leading investigative reporter says that earlier this summer Israeli officials visited Washington to brief the government on its plan to respond to any Hizbollah provocation and to "find out how much the US would bear".

The officials apparently started their inquiries with the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, knowing that if they secured his support, obtaining the backing of the President and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would be easier.

The report by Seymour Hersh quotes an unidentified US government consultant with close ties to the Israelis who says: "The Israelis told us it would be a cheap war with many benefits. Why oppose it? We'll be able to hunt down and bomb missiles, tunnels, and bunkers from the air. It would be a demo for Iran."

A former intelligence officer also quoted, says: "We told Israel, 'Look, if you guys have to go, we're behind you all the way. But we think it should be sooner rather than later. The longer you wait, the less time we have to evaluate and plan for Iran before Bush gets out of office'."

and

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/5718685

The Bush Administration, however, was closely involved in the planning of Israel’s retaliatory attacks. President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney were convinced, current and former intelligence and diplomatic officials told me, that a successful Israeli Air Force bombing campaign against Hezbollah’s heavily fortified underground-missile and command-and-control complexes in Lebanon could ease Israel’s security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential American preëmptive attack to destroy Iran’s nuclear installations, some of which are also buried deep underground.

We'll say it again--the plotters had not yet actually prepared or mixed a potential explosive. More importantly, they did not have a working prototype of a viable explosive charge that would pass muster at a screening checkpoint. The British plotters reportedly did have hydrogen peroxide. Big deal. Go to your local drug store and you too can buy some.
....

Second, no evidence has emerged that the group had purchased tickets or even had passports that would allow them to board a plane to the United States. How exactly were they supposed to bomb planes that they could not even board.

...

Third, British police are still scrambling to come up with evidence to keep these guys in jail. If the plot was well advanced that would not be a problem. If they had tickets, passports, and explosives in hand that would be, shall we say it. . . A SLAM DUNK!

...

Fourth, there is the curious response of the Bush Administration to this news. Instead of coming to the White House Briefing Room to announce new initiatives to develop technology to detect liquid explosives at passenger screening checkpoints or to close loopholes posed by unscreened cargo, the Bush White House attacked Democrats for making America vulnerable to terrorists. Last I checked, Howard Dean was not in London trying to put a bomb on an airplane. And Dick Cheney is still on the campaign trail playing the fear card.

Coincidence that the Bush administration urged UK police to disclose the terror plot at the same time Seymour Hersh's sotry was going to appear? Maybe, but then I want an explaination from you why Bush wanted the story to come out at the time even though British police disagreed? And now it turns out they are having trouble producing evidance to hold these radicals in jail.

Instead of posting stupid sarcastic remarks why not actually try to have a discussion with me? Am I really that scary? Is it because I only have one eye or what?

 

[<RJMC>]

I was hoping you guys were a little smarter and after all the years I've been here have a little more faith in me. Granted I probably should have posted my sources but I am in a rush this morning.

Here is the source for Bush plotting with Iran to bomb lebanon so that could be used as a premise for attacking Iran:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10396119



and

http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/5718685





Coincidence that the Bush administration urged UK police to disclose the terror plot at the same time Seymour Hersh's sotry was going to appear? Maybe, but then I want an explaination from you why Bush wanted the story to come out at the time even though British police disagreed? And now it turns out they are having trouble producing evidance to hold these radicals in jail.

Instead of posting stupid sarcastic remarks why not actually try to have a discussion with me? Am I really that scary? Is it because I only have one eye or what?

dam that looks like something from a mgs game

not saying anything against but if that true them dam
I really starting to dislike bush a lot
however I will make not coment

 

[Tr0n]

I love you my south american friend.

 

[Ome_Vince]

..A report by a leading investigative reporter..

..A former intelligence officer also quoted..

..Hersh's report, published in the New Yorker..

..An anonymous Middle East expert said to have knowledge of the US and Israeli thinking..

I missed the part where this is more than a theory by some "specialists", "anonymous experts" and "reporters".

You want a discussion on a "theory" some people have, published in the New Zealand Herald?
Conspiracy ftw!


He who wants to beat a dog will always find a stick.

 

[delusional]

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11215/steinberg.html
¿is that more reliable?
i still doubt that the terrorist plot was a distraction

 

[No Limit]

You are right, reporting by a pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist who quotes different sources means absolutely nothing (I suppose only when it fits your agenda). This guy only exposed the My Lai massacre and its cover up, the guy that reported extensively on the abuse of prisoners in Iraq, and has written many stories for such publicans as the New Yorker. I can't possibly see why he would put that reputation on the line so he could write a story without any back up so he could piss people like you off.

Also, Bush did not deny his reporting telling me it is 100% accurate.

 

[No Limit]

i still doubt that the terrorist plot was a distraction

Thats fine, but did you actually read what I said before you posted? Let me repeat myself:

Coincidence that the Bush administration urged UK police to disclose the terror plot at the same time Seymour Hersh's sotry was going to appear? Maybe, but then I want an explaination from you why Bush wanted the story to come out at the time even though British police disagreed? And now it turns out they are having trouble producing evidance to hold these radicals in jail.

 

[delusional]

you have no proof that there is any correlation between seymour hershes story and the US urging uk officials to arrest the terrorists.
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1048186
they are finding evidence and you claimed that anyone can get hydrogen peroxide which is true but in a diluted form not the concentrated form. and you also claimed that SOME of the terrorists didnt have passports which in itself claims some of them did in fact have passports

 

[No Limit]

you have no proof that there is any correlation between seymour hershes story and the US urging uk officials to arrest the terrorists.
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1048186
they are finding evidence and you claimed that anyone can get hydrogen peroxide which is true but in a diluted form not the concentrated form. and you also claimed that SOME of the terrorists didnt have passports which in itself claims some of them did in fact have passports

You are not understanding me. Why did Bush push this story to come out at the time? It might not have anything to do with the hersh story; however, that still doesn't change the fact it had to be a distraction to something unless you can explain otherwise.

And the link you posted isn't loading up for me right now.

 

[delusional]

maybe bush didnt want them to do a dry run since we didnt want them in the US but the uk wanted to wait until they had more evidence
sorry about the link, all it said was that a suitcase with bomb building materials was found in the woods near the terrorists homes and that martyr videos were found on a laptop

 

[No Limit]

maybe bush didnt want them to do a dry run since we didnt want them in the US but the uk wanted to wait until they had more evidence
sorry about the link, all it said was that a suitcase with bomb building materials was found in the woods near the terrorists homes and that martyr videos were found on a laptop

As far as the evidance shos right now is they didn't even have the tickets nor the passports. Second, do you honestly believe that? This was a british operation, Bush had nothing to do with it in the first place. The british were watching these people, the british knew what evidance was needed, and the british had a good idea of when to strike. Now it turns out they are having trouble holding some of these people because they can't come up with the evidance. Sure, they charge 8 of them today (I think, I will have to double check) but that leaves a lot more.

 

[delusional]

you just proved to me that there is no conspiracy of the US trying to distract the world from any story coming out

 

[No Limit]

you just proved to me that there is no conspiracy of the US trying to distract the world from any story coming out

How so?

 

[pvtbones]

Were the two soldiers executed?

most likely (I'd wager early in the war.)

 

[highlander]

there probally dead or, alive and being tortured ... wouldnt be suprised if they sent the israelies a torture tape of some sort