Do video games train children to kill??

[thehunter1320]

i kno we are all gamers... but this new try in Cali to ban FPS games (HL2!!!) and make all other M rated games to be shown next to a big, BIG sign that says "rated M" and not w/ the T or E games

 

[thehunter1320]

DAMN!! forgot to post poll

 

[Pauly]

that sux for your state man....but in our state one..of the shooters that killed like his classmates in school...played DOOM a lot (this was a while ago) and when he heard HL2 delay(boom) LOL j/k the hl2 part was fake but otherwise it was real....he took in m4a1 with his friend...shotguns...explosives...etcc...crazy thing...i guess it could...but if the kid will do anything they see...then they shouldnt play...but otherwise i think its OK...

 

[thehunter1320]

i don't live in cali... i live in Ohio :|....
and in DOOM... u kill zombies and monsters... not people... where's the connection?

 

[Prince of China]

Those politicians just want to feel big:cheese:

 

[Blair]

They train me to kill. I'm wanted in 49 states, and get calls from my contact in russia for most of my jobs.

 

[Pauly]

Originally posted by thehunter1320
i don't live in cali... i live in Ohio :|....
and in DOOM... u kill zombies and monsters... not people... where's the connection?

it just tought him violence i guess....thats what 20/20 said long time ago.....anywho....hey man..i live ohio too??? where do u live?

 

[Kschreck]

Games Don't Effect People! I have been playing games my entire life, and you don't see my going around shooting people. People always blame games for violent acts they perform. "Man Grand Theft Auto made me go down the street and blow everyones car up." YEAH.....RIGHT!

 

[Shuzer]

I agree, games don't train kids to kill.

The first FPS I played was Zero Tolerance (you could watch the blood ooze down the wall in it lol) back when I was 7 or 8.. I have yet to murder someone, or think of doing so

 

[DimitriPopov]

Id post something but I have to get working , Im needed in the Anomolous Materials Lab. My boss Dr.Kliener is such a dick. But at least I get to shoot aliens. IM A BRAINWASHED KILLING MACHINE ARGGGGGGGGH.




Videogames dont train childeren to kill

Shitty parents and crazy batshit kids kill.

 

[Pauly]

Originally posted by DimitriPopov
Id post something but I have to get working , Im needed in the Anomolous Materials Lab. My boss Dr.Kliener is such a dick. But at least I get to shoot aliens. IM A BRAINWASHED KILLING MACHINE ARGGGGGGGGH.




Videogames dont train childeren to kill

Shitty parents and crazy batshit kids kill.

i have to agree and say the ARGGGGH ---is that arnold swarchingersasfasfgkhlw??? lol...hes DA KILLING MACHINE argrha

 

[nw909]

I shot low poly people in GTA, now I need to kill realz people because i'm angsty and i luv linkin parkz. [/sarcasm]

 

[Shuzer]

Originally posted by nw909
I shot low poly people in GTA, now I need to kill realz people because i'm angsty and i luv linkin parkz. [/sarcasm]

Hey now, no hating on Linkin Park

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by Shuzer
Hey now, no hating on Linkin Park

agreed , but its 909 were talking about , what do you expect?

 

[nw909]

Linkin park is just a bunch of angsty fags singing about how shitty life is.

but that's just my personal opinion :dozey:

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by nw909
Linkin park is just a bunch of angsty fags singing about how shitty life is.

but that's just my personal opinion :dozey:

The only thing I like about you is the comedic value of your avatar

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by nw909
Linkin park is just a bunch of angsty fags

haha, right on! and i also like your avatar, both before and after the hat.

 

[DimitriPopov]

People who label music as 'angsty' are more often than not trying to hard to be different.

 

[nw909]

Originally posted by DimitriPopov
The only thing I like about you is the comedic value of your avatar

oh dear, you cut me deep, i guess I'll just go kill myself with linkin park music playing.

 

[crunchsixfoe]

nw909 ur a fukken fagit dude

 

[DimitriPopov]

Originally posted by nw909
oh dear, you cut me deep, i guess I'll just go kill myself with linkin park music playing.

You could revel in the redeeming value of your avatar?

 

[Lucifer Crass]

Hell yeah they train to kill, but that only makes war more interesting.

(yes i a realise that statement is cold and very mean but think about it, if everyone thats in Iraq used CS and DOD tactics, no one would die lol, to many H4x0rZ)

 

[qckbeam]

It's funny how people often forget that in a game your not picking up a rifle, loading it, and firing, your clicking a mouse button. So things like recoil, wind, etc. can't be taken into account. No matter how good a shot you are with a mouse and keyboard, a real gun must be fired by a totally different set of rules.

 

[Maskirovka]

somewhere it breaks down...kids make connections between fun/fantasy/computers and real life. somehow the morals you play a computer game with get transferred as something "ok" to have in real life.

when someone justifies hurting someone else in their own mind just because it was fun ina video game...there's something more seriously wrong there.

i'm not saying that video games don't make things worse for some people...but it's that same ol' argument again...do we ban things that only some people abuse to "save" everyone else?

that's not freedom :\

you need to change society...if that's impossible, then fine...some people are going to die sometimes...things will suck sometimes...but i'm willing to pay that price (including my own life if necessary) to keep people's choices free from people who want to make your choices for you.

 

[chu]

It is another attempt by parents/government to take the blame for this violence, away from themselves. Completely ignoring the fact that, yes, their children are dumb and demented.

"By god's no Mrs. Anderson, your son isn't f*cked up in the head. Little Timmy was a good and decent child, until he started playing thos infernal violent video games. Ever since then he has been wearing red overalls and a cap and been jumping on people's heads, killing them. I pray for you child and damn them video game makers!"

 

[FortisVir]

Originally posted by qckbeam
It's funny how people often forget that in a game your not picking up a rifle, loading it, and firing, your clicking a mouse button. So things like recoil, wind, etc. can't be taken into account. No matter how good a shot you are with a mouse and keyboard, a real gun must be fired by a totally different set of rules.

you took the words right out of my mouth qckbeam .

This is exactly what I find flawed in every "Video-games train people to kill" argument. Clicking a mouse and pulling a trigger are two different things.

However, I do agree that it is possible for for videogames to desensitize people to violence. But only a person with mental problems unrelated to videogames would go shooting up a school after playing a game. I wonder what activists will think in 6-10 years when videogame graphics look as good as a motion picture.

Heh, I remember when people were attacking Goldeneye for being too violent. Shooting blocky-headed low-poly Russians didn't make me want to shoot anyone in real life.

 

[Pseudonym_]

Im not interested in joining the debate, it can only go one way on a gaming forum, and all of you had your minds made up as soon as you read the thread title. I don't really understand why these threads are started on gaming forums in the first place, it's not like you will get an unbiased, objective discussion here.

I just wanted to say that the people who claim "well, I have been playing games since I was 4 months old and I never went on a killing spree", or something similar, must know that this is utterly irrelavant. It's the equivalent to saying "Well, I have been smoking for 10 years and I don't have lung cancer! Therefore, cigarettes must not cause lung cancer!.", or "I've been drunk while driving before, and I didn't run over any little kids! Drunk driving must not be as dangerous as we have been led to believe!." Surly you must realize this is an altogether thoughtless argument.

No one is claiming that playing games will turn anyone into a killing machine, but if you are too daft to comprehend the fact that prolonged exposure to overly violent games, such as the GTA series or the Postal series, will lead to some people developing violent tendencies, then you really don't have business discussing the matter at all.

 

[dfc05]

Originally posted by Pauly
that sux for your state man....but in our state one..of the shooters that killed like his classmates in school...played DOOM a lot (this was a while ago) and when he heard HL2 delay(boom) LOL j/k the hl2 part was fake but otherwise it was real....he took in m4a1 with his friend...shotguns...explosives...etcc...crazy thing...i guess it could...but if the kid will do anything they see...then they shouldnt play...but otherwise i think its OK...

hmm interesting; my middle school had Doom installed on its computers... well, the computers in the science class at the end of the hall, at least. and we all turned out alright :cheese: although most people didn't play it-- they played some boring game and i never played at school because i thought my teachers would think badly of me. i can only remember one time that i actually played at school for maybe 10 or 15 minutes and some guy was amazed that i could play without using cheat codes like everybody else did.

Originally posted by qckbeam
It's funny how people often forget that in a game your not picking up a rifle, loading it, and firing, your clicking a mouse button. So things like recoil, wind, etc. can't be taken into account. No matter how good a shot you are with a mouse and keyboard, a real gun must be fired by a totally different set of rules.

yeah really... [sarcasm]yes i have magically learned how to pick up a gun, aim it, fire it, and reload it through my amazing hitting-a-number-key, mouse-moving-and-clicking skills, and hitting-"r" skills!![/sarcasm]
if people learn how to shoot then they learn that through other means not through a computer game. and then they take responsibility for training themselves how to use a gun.

 

[Brian Damage]

There's an age at which a person learns the difference between reality and make-believe. It's different for each of us, and some people never fully make the distinction.

I believe that very young children who are allowed to play M15+ or higher rated games are likely to be influenced in an undesirable way, but that would obviously be the fault of irresponsible parents, not the games company. Games have ratings for a reason.

Most people will be more affected (at least in the present) by the far more realistic violence on TV and in the movies. Even then, it will probably only have a desensitising effect, which, while bad, is more desirable than turning someone into a psychopath.

Occasionally, though, a violent videogame will be played by someone who is, to put it lightly, as impressionable as a blob of plasticene. I still would not blame the game if this person then went out and gunned down a crowd of innocents while seeing zombies or demon in his head, as it is obvious that this person has prior issues, and would probably have cracked sooner or later anyway. Remember those problems with Dungeons and Dragons?

Other people who would try to use a violent videogame that they have played to excuse their actions are in denial about their responsibility for their own actions. People with violent tendencies may play violent videogames, but videogames are not responsible for what those people do.

I've played games that I would consider violent for about ten years now, and I find them as an excellent way to let off steam and relax. Most of the violent people I have met (and I've met a few) don't even actually play many videogames.

(All of the above, except for personal anecdotes, is an opinion and should be regarded as such . Any written attacks upon the writer's person will be met either with disdainful silence or a sarcastic remark .)

 

[Lucifer Crass]

U guys make it sounds like i have never practiced with a SKS before. I am a weekend shooter. But hell if i ran around like gordon freeman, i would be so tired!! I have Slug, buck, .44special .9mm .22mm .airsoft
.357 .boltaction wwII rifle. All i have left is a fully auto and a Winchester level action. I WANT A LEVER ACTION!! They are teh sweetness

Edit: California banned .50!!! No more deagle dreams for me....Here i come texas!

 

[poseyjmac]

no doubt, you can become a MORE effective killer by playing violent video games. not necessarily very effective. but more.

 

[crabcakes66]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
no doubt, you can become a MORE effective killer by playing violent video games. not necessarily very effective. but more.

sorry....video games are not realistic enough to train people to kill.....

they will put ideas in your head sure.....


but bunny-hopping headshots with an ak-47 from 1000ft away do not happen.

 

[Faravid]

My computer said I should kill my mom, so I did so.

 

[Santa]

Video games from my perspective make great tactical trainers. You learn things such as teamwork, line of fire, tactics for assault, evasion, and more. Some games do a shitty job with that (namely many 3rd person shooters).

Do they influence people to kill or train them HOW to kill? No. The people tend to already have the element of violence in them. Violent Video games and movies are just a side effect, a result of the desire for action. We may point to one person who goes on a rampage, and note the video games they play, but ignore those who have used video games as a release, deterring them from enacting violence.

A person in responsible for their own actions, and the debate against video game is run by those who have no conclusive research, but base their ideas off of an idealistic mentality. Who takes the blame? Who takes the fall? Since when have humans not tried to shift the blame to more continent entities?




Anything huge is likely to establish unrelated associations. Take any massive blockbuster film, and if you look at related news, you’ll find a significant number of wacky stories, most of them using the movie as a convenient excuse. Even Santa has his own problems every year because some fat dude decides to climb on top of his third story roof and take a nose dive down a lit chimney.

 

[Zerimski]

Yes, they can. But only if there are underlying psychological problems to start with. And I wouldn't necessarily say "train", because as other people have pointed out the link between clicking a mouse and pulling a trigger is non-existant. More..."trigger".

For reference, see the case of the "Matrix Killings". The guy was a chronic paranoic, and the plot of the Matrix fitted in with his paranoid delusions. He became so obsessed with the film that he believed with absolute conviction that he was "The One", and that everyone else was out to kill him, so he shot people he thought were "Agents".

Was that the fault of the Matrix?

 

[ph34r t3h cute]

Yes I played Street fighter this morning then pile drived my sister into a wall head first, then I played abit of halo and got into my dads car and ran over 3 small kids who where playing outside my house, then after that I finshed off with afew rounds of counter strike, went up to the roof and sniped 15 people before the cops got me.

Do video games make kids killers? No. Shitty parents do.

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Pseudonym_
Im not interested in joining the debate

could've fooled me! you certainly made some points like you were :\

Originally posted by Pseudonym_
I just wanted to say that the people who claim "well, I have been playing games since I was 4 months old and I never went on a killing spree", or something similar, must know that this is utterly irrelavant. It's the equivalent to saying "Well, I have been smoking for 10 years and I don't have lung cancer! Therefore, cigarettes must not cause lung cancer!.", or "I've been drunk while driving before, and I didn't run over any little kids! Drunk driving must not be as dangerous as we have been led to believe!." Surly you must realize this is an altogether thoughtless argument.

these are horrible examples. everyone knows cigarettes cause cancer and health problems in 100% of people who smoke them and that 100% of people are impaired by alcohol consumption. 100% of video game players do not become violent after a certain amount of exposure.

your argument is the thoughtless one.

only people with neglectful parents and/or psychological problems are affected by video game violence. the people who can't separate reality from games. (like the matrix example) NOBODY ELSE TAKES IT THAT SERIOUSLY...SANE PEOPLE KNOW IT'S ENTERTAINMENT.

you play video games...are you gonna snap one day? i doubt it. i play video games...am i gonna snap? no...i certainly don't have any violent tendencies.

Originally posted by Pseudonym_
No one is claiming that playing games will turn anyone into a killing machine, but if you are too daft to comprehend the fact that prolonged exposure to overly violent games, such as the GTA series or the Postal series, will lead to some people developing violent tendencies, then you really don't have business discussing the matter at all.

so finally you admit that only some people will experience problems...that's what just about everyone said. you act like you're making some amazing revelation. i don't understand the relevance of your post at all...except to make you sound like you don't know how to make your point.

 

[Frank]

Originally posted by Shuzer
Hey now, no hating on Linkin Park

Yes! Hate them! HAAAAAATE THEM!!!!!

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by Frank
Yes! Hate them! HAAAAAATE THEM!!!!!

ritalin time!

stay on topic

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

What I don't understand is that videogames get addressed and, correct me if I'm wrong, the amount of people that possess fire arms in California is still huge. This seems rather hypocrit. How many deaths could have been prevented if it wasn't this easy to get a gun hmm?