Do you beleive this is improv?

Is it improv?

  • YAY

    Votes: 19 59.4%

  • NAY

    Votes: 13 40.6%
  • Total voters
    32
I don't see why it's hard to believe it's improv. or not. If you're good at a piano how hard is it to make up random stuff on the spot?
 
Yah I believe, I know some people who could probably improv like that. I am not surprised. Scales, chords, knowing the piano that well. My Latin teacher could probably do that. He's taught piano since forever and he's really amazing at it. It's like improving at any instrument. Some people are just good... I've seen plenty of guitar improving that sounds amazing.
 
vegeta897 said:
I don't see why it's hard to believe it's improv. or not. If you're good at a piano how hard is it to make up random stuff on the spot?
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Have you ever played the piano? I don't mean that as being defensive, just wondering.

@SubKamran. Sorry it's not like improving any instrument, it has a lot more notes going on at the same time. Have you ever heard this saying: "Most instruments play as part of a symphony, the piano plays the entire sypmhony"
 
TheSomeone said:
Have you ever played the piano?
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I could easily think up stuff like he did IF I had the skills of how to play one.

I don't think you are seeing my point...
 
I've played the piano for about 7 years now, I can assure you it's not about having the skills to PLAY the piano. I can sight-read complicated music and play hard pieces, but improv, that is a completely different field.
 
Obviously you don't go to a program with gifted kids :cheese: Yah, I have no problem believing that's improv.
 
If it is improv...holey moley....


I'm just now learning the piano and it ain't easy.
 
It's definitely possible. Some people are just extremely gifted.

Have you seen a guitar virtuoso just start jamming without having to write out the song? Amazing stuff. Those kinds of people think on another level than most.

Great piece of music.
 
Yeah, that can be improv alright. He stitched together a lot of good pieces together, but it doesn't really come out as a cohesive piece (well, maybe near the end)
 
Notice how he repeats some things? I could bet you he is thinking ahead and thinking of what would sound nice and at the same time repeating measures and adding some color to them with classical cliches. Notice he also repeats some measures in a different scale with some added flair and adds some proper chords. If you've listened to a whole bunch of classical, many of those measures are borrowed and changed a bit. Improv goes off of what you know, so I can't find it amazing that he could do that.
 
TheSomeone said:
I've played the piano for about 7 years now, I can assure you it's not about having the skills to PLAY the piano. I can sight-read complicated music and play hard pieces, but improv, that is a completely different field.
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Same here, and you're exactly right.

Even if it isn't improv, that guy is talented. Its possible that it was improv, but not that possible. There isn't a clear way to determine it because we don't know anything about that guy. For all we know he could've just been hitting the "demo" button on that keyboard, and making it look like he was playing it. :p
 
TheSomeone said:
I've played the piano for about 7 years now, I can assure you it's not about having the skills to PLAY the piano. I can sight-read complicated music and play hard pieces, but improv, that is a completely different field.
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yeah but you practice reading, and playing complicated music, you can practice improv, improv theory, music theory, and stuff like that to get good at improv.
 
You're probably right muffin man. Still, I'm skeptical. He plays a lot of stuff fast.

One thing that I did find a sign that it could have been improv is he was recording his piano through a midi cable into a computer program, and the only times I do that is when I improv.
 
Meh. Was he looking a notesheet at the beginning?
 
I have a friend who can sit down and just play out these amazing songs, making it up as he goes. Hell, I can sing like that. So it's hard to tell, but I'm not discounting it at all. And also, it doesn't sound like any song I've ever heard... too flourishy.
 
TheSomeone said:
I've played the piano for about 7 years now, I can assure you it's not about having the skills to PLAY the piano. I can sight-read complicated music and play hard pieces, but improv, that is a completely different field.
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How often do you improvise, play on your own?
Really don't want to sound patronising here but I find it strange that you're so doubtful of this guy improvising..

I've been playing for a year or so, completely on my own, mostly improvising for creating music and such. I work hard studying scales and chords, and other aspects of music theory such as cadences, counterpoint etc etc. I'm planning on getting with a piano teacher eventually.

Most of those chords were pretty basic stuff. Good hand coordination later in the piece. I don't find improvisating with something I know how to do difficult at all.

I'm probably preaching to the choir right now but 7 years?
Damn.
But some professionals say people who only learn from sheet music suffer in the improvisation part and learning just by ear.

I've learned greater parts of Claire de la lune on my own, without sheet notes. And I use that for my own improvisation. Improvising, Creativity, it's all about taking pieces from stuff you know and combining it into something new.

You don't make something out of nothing, I don't think the brain can do that. You get an idea, and you elaborate on it.

I want to learn classical improv.
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Do people teach that? Isn't it about knowing the classical way of playing and improvising with it? That's like. "I want to learn creativity".

If there's any experienced piano player (*cough*TheSomeone)willing to discuss piano playing abit I'd really appreciate it. There's a few things I'm unsure of when it comes to playing, I'd be incredibly thankful just to discuss abit with someone who's experienced.
 
CrazyHarij said:
How often do you improvise, play on your own?
Really don't want to sound patronising here but I find it strange that you're so doubtful of this guy improvising..
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Never before this semester, since I've started composing.



But some professionals say people who only learn from sheet music suffer in the improvisation part and learning just by ear.
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You're probably right.


Do people teach that? Isn't it about knowing the classical way of playing and improvising with it? That's like. "I want to learn creativity".
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There isn't a classical way of playing... And it's not like saying that at all. I haven't met a single Jazz improv player who hasn't had a mentor/teacher of some sort.

If there's any experienced piano player (*cough*TheSomeone)willing to discuss piano playing abit I'd really appreciate it. There's a few things I'm unsure of when it comes to playing, I'd be incredibly thankful just to discuss abit with someone who's experienced.
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Sure thing :). AIM? PM? MSN?
 
i remember when thsi music store opened up near me, they had a stage set up with all the instruments up on there so you could practice. There was a guy showing off on the drums, when someone stepped up and grabbed a bass and they jammed for a bit, and then aother dude walked up and grabbed the other guitar and they all started playing together...totally random. It was pretty good too.
 
He was actually not that great, so it could easily be improv (Not that I'm saying I could do that :cheese:). My piano teacher, however, can do that about 10 times better. :p
 
I wish I could play the piano..I have this weird urge in me to learn to play it. I love hearing the piano..such a beautiful instrument.
 
vegeta897 said:
I don't see why it's hard to believe it's improv. or not. If you're good at a piano how hard is it to make up random stuff on the spot?
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Precisely what i wanted to say.. :( .. oh well.
 
CrazyHarij said:
Do people teach that? Isn't it about knowing the classical way of playing and improvising with it? That's like. "I want to learn creativity".
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There are techniques that can be taught to help improvisation; and more often than not the learning comes from the tutor pointing out what you're doing wrong. I certainly wouldn't be able to improvise like I can today without having lessons :)

Oh, and the guy in the video is improvising.
 
I have had a rather shortlived musical "career", and allthough I completely sucked at it I got to play with some pretty talented people. My experience is that if the musician has skillz and the feel for music then impros like this are the order of the day. All you have to do to set up a killer jam with good musicians is to name 4 suitable chords and let the drummer (if applicable) set the beat.

I loved playing, but I am ashamed at how badly I sucked at it. :o

.bog.
 
I've seen better. It's not so much about skill, if you're relaxed and in the right state of mind.
 
It's possible, definately, as my uncle can do the exact same thing. He can also play along like that to the chords of a song while listening to it for the first time... and now hes a producer signed by Sony BMG :( I so wish I could do all that, I would give all the talents and skills I have to be able to do that
 
Loc-Dog said:
It's not so much about skill, if you're relaxed and in the right state of mind.
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I dunno, obviously you have up and down days but that's far outweighed by the hours of practice you put in and the musicianship you've nailed
 
I know alot of dudes who have played their instrument for a long time. They can nail any song you put infront of them. But they can't improvise something good for shit. You get better at improvising if you practice improvisation specificlly, but being a skilled player and a good improviser are not the same thing.
 
The verb for "improv" is not improve. Stop using it, or I'll start knocking heads.
 
Pretty cool, and Holy Crap! I have that keyboard!

...and he kicks my ass on it.
 
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