Dreamcast and PS2 emulation coming to PS3?

Would be a nice addition. My PC has been doing this for years though :D
 
If this is true, this is the end of Xbox.
 
Man, Cannon Spike, Shenmues, Skies of Arcadia, etc etc etc on PSN?? AWESOME. If this happens I will be exceedingly overjoyed. PS2 emulation I don't really care about as I have a BC 60GB PS3 and all the games I ever wanted for the system. Good times. :E
 
yeah my 60GB system rocks but the bluray laser broke and i had to get it fixed all ready.
 
I call BS. They just took PS2 emulation OUT of the PS3, along with alternate OS support. I bet next time they'll take out the remaining USB ports and support for any outputs beside HDMI.

Not saying it wouldn't be freakin' sweet though.
 
Man, Cannon Spike, Shenmues, Skies of Arcadia, etc etc etc on PSN??
I was just talking about the Bleem! emulator the other day, which allowed Playstation discs to be played on a Dreamcast.

You can't play a Dreamcast or PS2 disc on the PS3 and that means people would have to buy the games again. And they'll probably be overpriced.

Sony takes away the backwards compatibility for the PS3 (the one they bragged and clamored about before the PS3 came out), then adds backwards compatibility later, but only if you buy the games again in the form of overpriced, perishable downloads.

Meanwhile a friend of mine picked up a Dreamcast and a stack of games for $1 at a yard sale.
 
I was just talking about the Bleem! emulator the other day, which allowed Playstation discs to be played on a Dreamcast.

You can't play a Dreamcast or PS2 disc on the PS3 and that means people would have to buy the games again. And they'll probably be overpriced.

Sony takes away the backwards compatibility for the PS3 (the one they bragged and clamored about before the PS3 came out), then adds backwards compatibility later, but only if you buy the games again in the form of overpriced, perishable downloads.

Meanwhile a friend of mine picked up a Dreamcast and a stack of games for $1 at a yard sale.

Except they might just release a firmware update to allow software emulation of PS2 games, which is pretty likely. Or this all might be a bullshit rumor and nothing will come of it. You just made up a policy and then insulted them for it.

I do think it was a bad mistake to remove BC from the unit in the first place though.
 
It's not a rumor, tards. The .doc was available on Sega's FTP two nights ago before this story even broke in the news. Then last night, it mysteriously vanishes. Sega flubbed it. It ain't a rumor.
 
This is awesome beyond words. Does this mean PS3 owners will be able to play all PS2 games, even without the emotion chip now? If it's just to pimp the Sony Online store thingy-majig this is slightly less interesting. If Jet Grind Radio hits the online store and full PS2 support is added I'll order a PS3 the very moment this rolls around. Color me cautiously, giddily optimistic.
 
If you don't have a PS3 already just buy a model that already has PS2 backwards compatibility. The other models are just going to make you buy the games again through PSN.
 
If you don't have a PS3 already just buy a model that already has PS2 backwards compatibility. The other models are just going to make you buy the games again through PSN.
Well, on the first count, aren't the PS2 playing units a very insignificant minority of PS3 machines? (I don't think there has even been a PS2 playing PS3 in Europe). On the second, Sony never limited the PS1 emulator to playing PSN downloads alone, so why would you be restricted from using original PS2 discs?

In related news, I live with a couple of Final Fantasy VII zealots who have both purchased the PSN version of the game (£8 a pop) when they already own the discs. There are words to describe that.
 
Well, on the first count, aren't the PS2 playing units a very insignificant minority of PS3 machines? (I don't think there has even been a PS2 playing PS3 in Europe). On the second, Sony never limited the PS1 emulator to playing PSN downloads alone, so why would you be restricted from using original PS2 discs?

In related news, I live with a couple of Final Fantasy VII zealots who have both purchased the PSN version of the game (£8 a pop) when they already own the discs. There are words to describe that.

Sony needs the money. One of the reasons for dropping PS2 support was so that people buy PS3 games instead of playing the older PS2 games. You can bet Sony will charge full retail price for some of the PS2 games on PSN especially if you're in Europe.
I think Sony is trying to imitate the Wii's virtual console with the Dreamcast support.
 
Penguin already described the reason for not allowing new models to play PS2 discs, but to answer your first question Kupo the 20GB and 60GB NTSC models had PS2 hardware emulation. There weren't any PAL versions, no.
 
Hardware emulation, meaning, it has the PS2 chipset.

With software emulation, PS3 either doesn't have the processing power (it's quite possible - emulation requires ridiculously more processing power than a game originally required), or Sony just doesn't have the time/resources/money/skill emulate the PS2. Also possible.

With software emulation there will be lots of bugs, games that don't work, and play testing required for every game. No way they will ever be able to software emulate all of the PS2 games, not even within a decade. Not even half of the games within a decade. Well, that's just what I believe, take it or leave it.

Either way, including the PS2 chipset in the PS3 (basically the guts of a PS2, bare bones and shrunken down to size) was obviously more expensive than Sony would like - cutting into profits. They are basically giving you a free PS2 with your PS3.

I honestly don't think 'Sony wanted you to buy PS3 games' was a significant factor. Also, there were still new PS2 games being made even after the PS3 released. So, Sony was still selling you a game (or making profit through licensing fees), PS2 or PS3 didn't really make any difference. In fact they probably made more profit selling PS2 games since they used a DVD instead of a Blu Ray disc.
 
VirusType2, my Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz has enough processing power to run the fanmade PCSX2(PS2) emulator, so the PS3 most certainly does as well.

Anyway, I don't really care about Sega Dreamcast emulation on the PS3, UNLESS the PS3 supports the Dreamcast's GD-ROMs.

Does anyone know if it does?
 
VirusType2, my Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz has enough processing power to run the fanmade PCSX2(PS2) emulator, so the PS3 most certainly does as well.
Well, I don't know, but I just said it's possible that it might not be able to.

Though honestly I'm a little surprised you get PS2 games to run at 60fps in HD on that processor, if the case may be. Not that the PS2 was particularly powerful, but that's how intensive emulation is.

All of the chips need to be emulated. The sound, graphics, CPU, the DVD and controller, memory card, and whatever else is inside that puppy. The CPU, GPU will be the only challenging part however.


From what I've read, the launch PS3s had full PS2 hardware emulation. The newer PS3s used software to emulate the PS2's CPU, but these PS3s had a PS2 GPU for graphics.

If they want to emulate the GPU as well, they will need to find major performance.

I'm not sure what kind of problems all of those Cell cores present for emulation, but surely it makes things very hard.

Marked as confidential, the Sega document--which contains notes derived from a meeting with SCEA on August 5th--clearly states that Sony wants to sell ALL PlayStation 2 games on the PlayStation Network
PS2 DVDs are 4.30 GB each which is pretty hefty space on a hard drive, not to mention insane downloading time for some people.

Dreamcast CD-Gs (discs) are about 1.5 GB, so they should be better off if they can get the emulation to work on PS3. Anyway, SEGA might put some games on Xbox Live as well. I don't believe the Wii will have the power to emulate Dreamcast, a 128 bit system.

The Dreamcast sold pretty well in the US, but not really anywhere else. Though I'm not a SEGA fan anymore since they seem to have abandoned the PC, it's pretty cool that these Dreamcast games won't be lost in time. Many people will be playing them for the first time. So I wish SEGA the best with it.

Well, all my speculation is over. Lets see what happens.
 
How do you know? None of this is official yet anyway. :P

The fact the so-called leak discusses using Microsoft IPs like Fable on the PS3, and is supposed to be from Sega, that alone makes this shit seem very unlikely, and it might be simply a joke by Sega(or a Sega employee).
 
How do you know?
DC Digital Titles
If we provide a list of DC titles SCEA will let us know which ones they’re interested in having exclusively.
If we give them a long period of exclusivity they’ll give us more marketing support.
DC Digital Titles
How do I know? Because I'm not a moron who would believe for even a second that Sony would allow their systems to run GD-ROMs. In what possible way would that benefit Sony? What possible reason would Sony have to allow the PS3s to run Dreamcast discs? Discs that you either already own, or discs that you bought for $5 off some guy on eBay? How would Sony profit from that? You think they'd emulate Dreamcast games out of the good of their heart?

Any Dreamcast title that appears on PS3 will be in the form of a PSN download. That's why the minutes document calls them DIGITAL TITLES. You know why they won't be on discs? Because Sony can market these games on PSN and then charge you for them.

I swear I don't know what goes through peoples' heads some times. Do you guys have absolutely no business sense or what?
 
How do I know? Because I'm not a moron who would believe for even a second that Sony would allow their systems to run GD-ROMs. In what possible way would that benefit Sony? What possible reason would Sony have to allow the PS3s to run Dreamcast discs? Discs that you either already own, or discs that you bought for $5 off some guy on eBay? How would Sony profit from that? You think they'd emulate Dreamcast games out of the good of their heart?

Any Dreamcast title that appears on PS3 will be in the form of a PSN download. That's why the minutes document calls them DIGITAL TITLES. You know why they won't be on discs? Because Sony can market these games on PSN and then charge you for them.

I swear I don't know what goes through peoples' heads some times. Do you guys have absolutely no business sense or what?

Of course you're probably right about that, but I think the more interesting debate concerns PS2 BC. It's very possible, maybe even likely, that it will incorporate regular PS2 BC into the PS3. As Virus said it may not be perfect, but it could definitely be there. In that case I see them selling PS2 games online and allowing discs to be played - just like with PS1.

Not like it matters to me though, I have the original 60GB with full backwards compatibility and all the PS2 games I care to own on disc.
 
Doesn't matter to me either; I still have my PS2.

I also still have my Dreamcast.

I don't give a shit about any of this news! :D
 
There were PS2-disc playing PS3s released in Europe. Not sold any more though I think.
 
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