Dune Mod

[Feyd]

We are going to re-start the mod on summer.
We want basically 3D moddlers but we want any other help.

our mod is based in Dune. In Dune film, 1984 one, by David Linch.
Scenarios will be in 3 epocs. Adter paul. During Paul, And whil God Emperor.
For first beta we will add 2 teams, Atreides and Harkonnen.
For future betas we will add House Corrino, ernius, Fremen and Theilaxus.

This is a action futuristics mod based in Dune movie of david linch and all the books of frank Herbert , and new ones by Brian Herbert and Anderson.

Email , to [email protected]

 

[The Dark Elf]

Pardon my confusion, but I could barely understand a word of that post, and can you tell us more about the mod?

Basically
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They are going to start up their Dune mod in the summer when HL2 is released, after an undetermined amount of time not working on it.

They want modelers but any help would be welcome

Their mod is based on the David Lynch version of the book

They have three parts of the game, before? Paul Atreides, During his time, then when he takes over

Their mod will be Harkonnen vs Atreides (so CS then)

Later on they'll add other teams/houses (yet these aren't mentioned in any great detail in the Lynch movie so its not really based on it much)

It'll be like CS but with Dune characters and locations (one big desert mostly)

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Personally I think this mod is a VERY bad idea. Not one person has ever been able to do the original story justice. Not even Lynch, and he admits this himself.


I'm not allowed to say this mod will fail cause certain users have no spine


No hijacking this thread, spineless ones.

 

[Neutrino]

I'm thinking english probably isn't his first language. He might have used a translation program or something.

This mod will fail.

Wow, way to think positively and give encouragement.

Even if you have a very valid point, I think that's pretty rude to just tell someone their project will outright fail. Though you seem to take joy in cutting most mods off at the knees so I guess carry on with it.

Edit: Sorry if that's a bit rude myself, but all I ever see you do, Fenric, is poke fun at and critisize most new mods. I'll definitely concede that a lot of them don't have much potential, but it doesn't hurt to be friendly about it in my opinion. I think a lot of people just get really excited about a game and want to join in the fun even if they don't know what they're doing. Thus, I think in most cases just a friendly warning and a wish of good luck would suffice. If they don't heed the warning and it doesn't work out then they'll find out on their own and no harm done. My $.02 atleast.

 

[The Dark Elf]

I'm thinking english probably isn't his first language. He might have used a translation program or something.




Wow, way to think positively and give encouragement.

Even if you have a very valid point, I think that's pretty rude to just tell someone their project will outright fail.

Hey if I was being rude do you think I'd have gone to the trouble to make his post readable?

besides, prove me wrong about it failing. It's Dune ffs, its next to impossible to do right.

 

[Neutrino]

Sorry was editing while you were posting. I'm not saying you were wrong, just that it was a rude statement.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Sorry was editing while you were posting. I'm not saying you were wrong, just that it was a rude statement.

this forum is getting softer and softer

Well im sorry if you find it rude, but that ain't my problem. I refuse to BS by being all yesman to something I simply do not think will be any good

What would you prefer, someone who told the truth or someone who told you what you wanted to hear.

Honestly its rediculous, can't say **** all on these forums without people crying about it. Bloody pussy's ;(


As for your statement that all I ever do is make fun of mods, I suggest you read my posts better in future, you'll see that I am simply honest. If all you see are negative comments then that has a lot to say about the kinds of mods your looking at. How about taking a look at the DOTD mod, or Hell Blaze mod for example. or Edge of Justice or Eradicators. hmmm yeah kinda destroys all credibility in your claims that all I ever do is make fun and pick on mods doesn't it.

If you want to see rude. I'll just tell em a load of bullshit, make them think they have a great mod. Convince them into wasting months and months of their time doing it. Only for it to fall flat on its face and make them all look really stupid. Now THATS rude

 

[Neutrino]

That's why I said "most new mods". I know you don't do it all the time. I'm not trying to attack you or anything, but that's still my opinion. And hey, you can do whatever you want on these forums, but I just think it's possible to be perfectly honest while still being much more polite about it.

But anyway, I didn't mean to hijack this guys thread (sorry about that), so cheers, and if no one else has a problem with it but me then, oh well, guess it's just my own view of things.

 

[Kadayi]

Fenric

I don't think Neutrino is asking you to BS anyone, but simply be a tad more civil in the expression of your thoughts regarding mod ideas. Your not exactly a people person at times dude. Regardless of whether an idea is ill concieved, constructive feedback/questioning is better than instant dismissal.

Simply because you can't concieve of a way in which an idea can be realised doesn't mean that someone else out there might not see a solution, however constructively raising your concerns regarding their idea might make them critically re-evaluate it.

Personally I think a Dune mod would be a very tricky thing to achieve, principally due to the issues of physical scale that are clearly part of the dune universe (only the Iain.M.Banks Culture novels exceed the magnitude of Dunes enormity of scale TBH). However the viability of the mod depends a lot upon the exact nature of the gaming experience that the producers are aiming for. If the mod was driven by FPS character interaction and the large scale action was orchestrated through a bespoke RTS engine C&C or Shogun style then it wouldn't be impossible, although realisation would be a lengthy process.

 

[Neutrino]

Well I do have some actual questions for the thread starter. It's been a while since I've read dune so what do you plan for gameplay? Such as what sort of weapons and abilities will the different teams have? What exactly are you thinking of taking from the story to use in the mod. Is it just mulitplayer or single player also? Oh and about maps, what sort of enviroments would it be? Deserts and cliffs or will there be cities as well?



(Oh, and if trying to bring a little more civility to the mod forum makes me spineless, then so be it.)

 

[Onions]

Best of luck, would definately play a dune mod

 

[Feyd]

Fenric, all your info is not correct.
It wont be as CS
NEGATIVE.
In fist betas it only will be 2 classes, but for final release it will be 6 classes.
House Harkonnen
House Atreides
House Corrino
House Vernius (IX)
Fremens
Theilaxu

Then...
The Mod will be based stetically in the David Linch´s Film, but argument is based on Books, and weapons etc...
We have 8 models, are good, for use in a beta, but arent definitives.
We have a proffesional sound and music editor. But music is the last to add to the mod.
Any more question ?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Don't EA own the rights to all Dune-based games?

 

[The Dark Elf]

Don't EA own the rights to all Dune-based games?

Yep. But careful now, thats a negative comment, we're not allowed to be negative

 

[Kadayi]

Don't EA own the rights to all Dune-based games?

Lucas allowed the SW BF1942 mod to be developed, so anything is possible. Dune isn't exactly at the forefront of the collective conciousness these days despite the recent TV Mini-Series, so unless EA were planning a sudden revival of the licence they might not object, although naturally it is judicious to contact them firstly, as well as the Herbert estate.

 

[Feyd]

EA sux. EA don support actually Dune Games. EA only want money.
Westwood dune games wasnt exactly Dune ( created by Frank Herbert ).
Dune 2 , Dune 2k and Dune Emperor were only strategy games whit a tematic: Dune. But isnt Dune.

I post for recruit people...

 

[The Dark Elf]

EA sux. EA don support actually Dune Games. EA only want money.
Westwood dune games wasnt exactly Dune ( created by Frank Herbert ).
Dune 2 , Dune 2k and Dune Emperor were only strategy games whit a tematic: Dune. But isnt Dune.

I post for recruit people...

And your CS clone is going to be better and more like Dune than their games?

I think not

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

EA sux. EA don support actually Dune Games. EA only want money.
Westwood dune games wasnt exactly Dune ( created by Frank Herbert ).
Dune 2 , Dune 2k and Dune Emperor were only strategy games whit a tematic: Dune. But isnt Dune.

That's not really relevant - if EA own the rights, then you don't have any.

Also, I know several people that worked at Westwood that would take issue with your statements - they were very much into Dune, and the whole mythos associated with it.

 

[Neutrino]

Yep. But careful now, thats a negative comment, we're not allowed to be negative

Your missing my point entirely. Kadayi Polokov got it. Also, what the heck happened? I came back and all my posts were deleted and then they came back later. Ah well.


Anyway, the point about EA could definitely be a problem for the mod as has been said. Normally you could change some aspects of it and give it a different name, but that kind of defeats the whole purpose of making a Dune based mod it would seem.

I also agree that it will be difficult to do the Dune universe justice in a game or mod. I'd love to see it happen though.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Your missing my point entirely. Kadayi Polokov got it. Also, what the heck happened? I came back and all my posts were deleted and then they came back later. Ah well.


Anyway, the point about EA could definitely be a problem for the mod as has been said. Normally you could change some aspects of it and give it a different name, but that kind of defeats the whole purpose of making a Dune based mod it would seem.

I also agree that it will be difficult to do the Dune universe justice in a game or mod. I'd love to see it happen though.

I'd love to see it happen to. All my life I've wanted to make a movie or game of Dune and get it PERFECT, but it just can't be done, the books are next to impossible to translate to another form without losing a lot of what they are. Maybe Peter Jackson could do a good film, but it wouldn't be great

A CS clone mod has no chance. Especially from a team with nothing AFAIK to show for it. It's just an idea, throw in the complexities of trying to do it and you can see why I'm so sure it wont happen.

Not to mention an average worm is atleast the size of a HL2 map

 

[Neutrino]

It would be damn cool wouldn't it? I did really like the original book, it was a wonderful story. I'd actually like someone to try to make a movie of it again sometime. Atleast we now have the technology to maybe do the world some justice. And I bet, like you say, Peter Jackson would probably be the best guy to do it if it could be done.

Ya, about the worms, I was wondering that myself. I don't think you could ever actually put them in a game. Would be hard enough to show them in a movie.

 

[Feyd]

IT IS NOT A CS CLONE!!!!!!!!!!
I WONT DO A CS CLONE!!!
WHO SAY A CS CLONE ??
I didnt know CS have 6 teams... where are 6 teams?
And maps in 3 epocs....
And laser weapons... and space ships.

Westwood studios was great, was the best company of strategy games.
This mod is FREE, FREEWARE.

 

[The Dark Elf]

IT IS NOT A CS CLONE!!!!!!!!!!
I WONT DO A CS CLONE!!!
WHO SAY A CS CLONE ??
I didnt know CS have 6 teams... where are 6 teams?
And maps in 3 epocs....
And laser weapons... and space ships.

Westwood studios was great, was the best company of strategy games.
This mod is FREE, FREEWARE.

Doesn't matter if its free, you don't have permission from the owners

and it doesn't matter if its crossbows and catapults, still sounds like CS, or how about TFC

Have you got any concept art? Who's in your team? Is it just an idea? Have you got a design doc? What have you done so far?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

Just because it's free, doesn't mean you can do it.

What would happen if I made an Aliens mod? Or a Simpsons mod? Would the Fox executives just smile and nod, or would they shut me down faster than I could say "OMGYOU'RERIGHT"?

No-one is saying don't do it - just find out whether you can. Nothing sucks more than spending ages on a mod only to have it shut down on you.

 

[sharp]

and it doesn't matter if its crossbows and catapults, still sounds like CS, or how about TFC

If that is true then 99% of the mod ideas are CS clones. Not every mod with random guns with teams in it are CS clones...

 

[The Dark Elf]

If that is true then 99% of the mod ideas are CS clones.

Unfortunately thats pretty much the case

 

[Feyd]

erm.. sorry but you understand.. I started the mod in 1999, i release 3 alphas for HL 1, now i want a team for HL 2.
I havent time to work... now im going to study c++. And i will be the coder.
YES, i Have 2 docs, and 4 differents updates.
im not a noob modding... I only want a new team.

 

[The Dark Elf]

erm.. sorry but you understand.. I started the mod in 1999, i release 3 alphas for HL 1, now i want a team for HL 2.
I havent time to work... now im going to study c++. And i will be the coder.
YES, i Have 2 docs, and 4 differents updates.
im not a noob modding... I only want a new team.

Can you show us some screenshots, be nice to see some?

 

[Feyd]

http://usuarios.lycos.es/feydr2/images/modelosbeta3.gif
our map, our models and our code ( dlls )
http://usuarios.lycos.es/feydr2/images/screen1.jpg
http://usuarios.lycos.es/feydr2/images/screen2.jpg
http://usuarios.lycos.es/feydr2/images/screen3.jpg

 

[The Dark Elf]

heh cool! (by god HL1 looks bad these days though doesn't it heh)

pretty sure the Sardauka models are in the wild though


I'm still skeptical it'll be any good though

 

[Feyd]

we hadnt a good modeler team...and all that models are made by me, are all my fisrt models.
I post it to find help , no critics !!

 

[The Dark Elf]

we hadnt a good modeler team...and all that models are made by me, are all my fisrt models.
I post it to find help , no critics !!

Your first post though. The community here on a whole dont really like that. I'm surprised actually that the more vocal of those haven't commented yet. It's usually frowned upon anyway, better to get to know the community first, get to know who's who, before asking for help.

Oh well, good luck n all. I just think your playing with fire trying to make anything of Dune.

 

[Sprafa]

It's interesting to see you have "contrabandista" in your model pic. You're Spanish?

And I have to agree with Fenric, Dune is a universe known for making bad adaptations into another format. (although his "way to put it straight in the table" is quite controversial.

edit - you're :naughty:, having a Habbo money schem in your lycos page.....

 

[The Dark Elf]

It's interesting to see you have "contrabandista" in your model pic. You're Spanish?

And I have to agree with Fenric, Dune is a universe known for making bad adaptations into another format. (although his "way to put it straight in the table" is quite controversial.

edit - you're :naughty:, having a Habbo money schem in your lycos page.....

Controversy follows my comments around like drunken nights out follow Badger

 

[Kadayi]

I came back and all my posts were deleted and then they came back later. Ah well.

Neutrino,

Apparently some people don't like it when they are brought up to question on their actions. The same sort of people who make asides in their sigs like petulant 5 year olds when they are undone.

Feyd

PiMuRho is right you will need to get approval on your mod idea from EA even if it is intended to be a freeware mod. If you are taking your inspiration from the Dune film you probably need the consent of the films producers also, as the designs are their intellectual property.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Heh this coming from a guy with "Yes you're right, I'm deliciously evil" in his sig

 

[Kadayi]

Heh this coming from a guy with "Yes you're right, I'm deliciously evil" in his sig

Perhaps you should go join halflifesource Fen, I hear that they are big on disappearing posts that don't agree with them.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Perhaps you should go join halflifesource Fen, I hear that they are big on disappearing posts that don't agree with them.

I'm not entering into an argument again with you Kadayi. I said no hijacking the thread and I meant it. If you carry on you know whats going to happen, so I suggest you stop.

 

[Kadayi]

I'm not entering into an argument again with you Kadayi.

Again? I don't recall you ever mounting an argument a first time.

I said no hijacking the thread and I meant it. If you carry on you know whats going to happen, so I suggest you stop.

Actually I don't know whats going to happen, but I'm interested to hear the options. Loose the derogatory sig to the community and I'm happy to call it quits.

 

[The Dark Elf]

You'll call it quits cause your dragging the thread off topic, this is the third and LAST time I am going to ask you to stop.

 

[Kadayi]

You'll call it quits cause your dragging the thread off topic, this is the third and LAST time I am going to ask you to stop.

You forgot please, also that sig is still there