Europe to decide what programs your allowed to use online

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Europe is to become tough on piracy, by trying to introduce new laws that gives a 3 strike warning on File-Sharing. Under the new law, ISPs and private companies will monitor how you use the internet and if you it's suspected that you are sharing copyright material you can be kicked of the Internet.

But the most disturbing is new amendment to existing laws that will allow Europe to decide what programs you can use online, so P2P software like Utorrent and Limewire will be illegal to use.

Other amendments added to the packet of laws allow governments to decide which software can be used on the web
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"Tomorrow, popular software applications like Skype or even Firefox might be declared illegal in Europe if they are not certified by an administrative authority," warned Benjamin Henrion, FFII representative in Brussels, in a statement.
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I find this highly disturbing how Europe seems to be rolling over to these corporations that complain about Piracy. I don't appreciate private companies being able to check how i use the internet. But the thing i hate the most is them telling me what software i can use, judging by the speed of government most software will be illegal to use online. They can't keep up. And i can see them judging which software is ok by asking the RIAA and the MPAA if they are ok with it.

If you live in Europe you should take a look at this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7492907.stm
 
Dear wisemen is Brussels, please do not ban Steam. Thank you.
Concerned European.
 
Europe was supposed to be a ****ing haven of piracy. FIX THIS GOD DAMMIT, REVOLT OR SOMETHING!

ARGH!
 
They can't do that, can t.... Oh wait, yes they can - EU Constitution.
 
Just because programs will be illegal to use doesn't mean the government (especially the toothless EU) will enforce it.
 
So much for me hoping that the UK government couldn't do anything this stupid cause European law would stop them. Now it's the European law that's gonna screw us over, good by Pirate Bay and online freedom. Hell what happens if they ban Steam?
 
ISP will be forced by law to monitor and make sure you don't and they have private company also to help them out. They can be penalised if they don't act. And i can bet you that once this is law, corporations such as the RIAA and the MPAA will force the governments to enforce it. The fact that if you are caught 3 times then your banned off the internet. The fact is they are attempting to make it illegal which it shouldn't be in the first place, i should not have to break the law to use software online that has not been regulated or that the EU deem illegal. What happened to freedom of choice or privacy, all these will be compromised. Say for example the EU doesn't like Steam or Firefox. They can make the ISPs block them. So then your screwed no more playing on Steam no more Half-Life(on PC) and your stuck with Internet Explorer. You can't choose what you what to use and the ISPs and the private companies can spy on your traffic to make sure your not breaking the law, which is a breach of privacy.
 
I actually look forward to seeing this result in a bloody revolt that will scare American lawmakers from trying anything so stupid.
 
The EU is way too spineless to enforce this shit.
 
Mr Stabby said:
They can pressure ISPs into blocking stuff.
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Encryption...what now bitch? No seriously kids it's just not enforceable and ISPs are not going to start booting customers off their networks. Why? You'll just see current or new ISPs popping up offering salvation to those with no connections and they'd make quite a lot of money in the process.

Honestly now banning apps like uTorrent are they retarded? Let's put more load onto are insufficient network back bones that'll show em. Oh wait that costs us money doesn't it? Bittorrent is one of the best distributed file sharing systems around the very nature of it saves ISPs money. No ISP in their right mind would support this bullshit and I hope their rallying against it much like Aussie ISPs are against a bloody great children pron firewall.
 
PimpinPenguin said:
Under the new law, ISPs and private companies will monitor how you use the internet and if you it's suspected that you are sharing copyright material you can be kicked of the Internet.
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To further continue bitching about why ISPs don't give a shit.

1. Design system to monitor customers - Costs money.
2. Hire staff to build and implement system - Costs money.
3. Maintain system - Costs money.
4. Hire staff to watch these systems and ban naughty kids who pirate the latest piece of crap we call music these days.
5. Hire additional support staff to deal with people who are disconnected and want to cry about it - Costs money.
6. Get a bad reputation for dropping customers and hence lose more - More monies lost.
 
That's the reason ISPs have been fighting it over here, they don't want to lose customers, and don't want to be the internet police. But if European law forces them to kick them off then they have no choice, they either boot them off, or be penalised. And new ISPs will have to respect these laws they can't ignore it or accept customers that have been striked. Although i knows it's not enforceable they can make it difficult, i don't want to use encryption, i had to do that with my last ISP, and it was a pain. Everytime someone found a way to Encrypt it the ISP found out and blocked it again. It's the reason i left. My main worry is that the RIAA and MPAA will have a field day and will start bringing loads of lawsuits to court which they will have to action. These laws shouldn't even exist, and it still infringes in my privacy and my freedom of choice.
 
For them to know your pirating copyrighted material means they've had to actually look at what your downloading/uploading by making a copy of it onto their local machines ram, whether it be actually looking at the file, hash checking, or whatever. Now applying common carrier status to that scenario would be a bitch far fetched imo.

It's just not feasible and if ISPs are somehow forced to do it I can guarantee they'll take as long as possible to implement it.
 
True, but they can do like my old ISP and block P2P traffic all together. And if they can choose which programs are illegal to use online they can make using Bittorrent and limewire etc illegal. I know that it could never really be enforced. but the fact that they are trying is worrying me. The fact they can spy on my internet traffic, and it's not just the ISPs that are spying it's the private companies as well and who's knows what they will do with that info.
 
Once a guy who installed and set up my computer gave me a file-sharing program.
He was all 'shhh... this is.. kind of illegal. :p'
It was awesome. I wish I could remember what it was called.
 
Acepilotf14 said:
Once a guy who installed and set up my computer gave me a file-sharing program.
He was all 'shhh... this is.. kind of illegal. :p'
It was awesome. I wish I could remember what it was called.
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Why use a program. Subscribe to rapidshare!

Anyways... lol at him being all 'shhh'

I would have been like, "Show your superiors some respect you scurvy dog!" Because you know... I'm a boat captain in one of the European royal navies and I hate pirates.
 
Even if they won't be able to enforce it large scale however, they'll at least be able to enforce it to some small degree and people will suffer for that when they shouldn't.
 
I think I'm starting to see what RepiV meant about the EU Ubergovernment. :|
 
Haha, I pity you EU bastards. :LOL:

Anyway, no amount of government can control the internet entirely; it's like Dr. Malcolm said in Jurassic Park about the dinosaurs "Nature will find a way", just with the internet.

I can see the 4 leaf clover website behind the scientology protests becoming even more pissed about this.
Seriously, you think they were pissed at Tom Cruise, you are just asking for a ****heap of shit when you try to enforce this kind of thing in this wide of an area.

As said previously, not only are they not going to do much about enforcing this, the ISP's won't feel much motivation to do this, considering there really isn't any benefit to them coming out of this.
 
Vote was due yesterday. No news on the results that I can see. I assume no news is good news, as the media love their doom but hate having predictions of doom proved wrong.

It is yet unsure whether the law will pas or not, since a similar law was rejected by the European Parliament in April this year.
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Way to get us all worked up over nothing.
 
V-Man339 said:
Anyway, no amount of government can control the internet entirely; it's like Dr. Malcolm said in Jurassic Park about the dinosaurs "Nature will find a way", just with the internet.
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He also said "Must go faster!"
 
Seems that article indicates it's not as severe as was predicted.

Even if it is, they haven't voted for it, not until september.

Then even if it is passed, it'll be a riot watching it being implimented.
 
Llama said:
Seems that article indicates it's not as severe as was predicted.

Even if it is, they haven't voted for it, not until september.

Then even if it is passed, it'll be a riot watching it being implimented.
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Optimism? In THIS! Blasphemy!
 
IanMalcolm.jpg


"Broadly speaking, the ability of the government to control the spread of data flow. Because the history of evolution is that data escapes all barriers. Data breaks free. Data expands to new territories. Painfully, perhaps even dangerously. But data finds a way." Malcom shook his head. "I don't mean to be philosophical, but there it is."

Edit: Damnit can't get the image tags to work right
 
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