European Spacecraft hopes to end Apollo conspiracy theories

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http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050304_moon_snoop.html

Space.com said:
A European spacecraft now orbiting the Moon could turn out to be a time machine of sorts as it photographs old landing sites of Soviet robotic probes and the areas where American Apollo crews set down and explored.

New imagery of old Apollo touchdown spots, from the European Space Agency’s (ESA) SMART-1 probe, might put to rest conspiratorial thoughts that U.S. astronauts didn’t go the distance and scuff up the lunar landscape. NASA carried out six piloted landings on the Moon in the time period 1969 through 1972.

Fringe theorists have said images of the waving flag -- on a Moon with no atmosphere -- and other oddities show that NASA never really went to the Moon. No serious scientist or spaceflight historian doubts the success of the Apollo program, however.
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Now more undeniable proof to add to the pile.
 
w00t :D i want to see the images of this flag and landing site... atlast...
but what if they see nothing... that'd be a 'find' of the century.
 
Well even if they get the pictures those idiotic conspiracy theorists will start blabbing on about how america "fired the flag into the moon" as well as other junk from the missions.
Or claim that america "influenced"....cough photoshopped the european images through force.
 
I think the truth could finally be revealed here. There are alot of skeptics, even in america. Did we land on the moon? I wasn't there. Despite recent rumors that America is full of shit liars, America is genuine and honest.
OFF TOPIC: I mean we could have said that we found weapons of mass destruction. Our word against Iraq. We accepted responsibility.
America has always been a fair country,since it was founded. The world has changed over the decades. USA has grown, attempting to be a Hero to earth. It's a dirty job but someones got to do it.

ON topic> I would love to find out the truth. Yes or no. I will be very disapointed if the truth is that we didn't land there to come out now, especially with all thats going on in the world recently.

Of course we did.
Seeing is believing for everyone else
 
Ya this won't do anything since most of the hardcore conspiracy theorists will just say the photos were altered and then they will start bringing in "experts" to show why the photos were modified.

This will however persuade the people who simply don't know much about the original landing and really only heard about it through either the fox network or other conspiracy theorists.
 
As for the flag theory, surely they put starch in the flag or something, to stop it falling down? It would be a bit pointless to put a flag in that fell down so you couldn't see it.
Also wouldn't the Soviets have been the first to say if the Americans didn't really goto the moon?
And wouldn't the real scientists be able to analyse everything independently, rather than these conspiracy theory websites?

Although I don't know why the Soviets didn't bother going to the moon themselves. And why has noone gone to the moon for over 30 years?

Anyway, lets see the results of this.
 
they put men on the moon, of course they did, what NASA didnt tell us is that the moon is infact closer to the earth's gravity than expected, having to recalculate the la grange point determined the gravitational effect of the moon was too far away from the moons center to make the surface gravity 1/6 , which is why the Astronaut's dont react like their in a 1/6 gravity environment, which is what has lead to the theory's.
 
I don't think there was any doubt in the first place, by sane people that is. I mean, the equipment placed on the moon during those missions is still being measured every day by astronomers who can 'pulse' it.
 
kirovman said:
As for the flag theory, surely they put starch in the flag or something, to stop it falling down? It would be a bit pointless to put a flag in that fell down so you couldn't see it.
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The flag was actually made of plastic which I am pretty sure was to ensure it would stay upright.
 
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

this is a very interesting read....

in my humble opinion, man has indeed been to the moon but the photographs we see today are fake...done maybe before or after the real moon landing because they maybe couldn't take photographs on the moon and nasa didn't want to seem like they had solid proof so mocked them up afterwards...

but if you read that, the instance of buzz aldren uncontrollably crying after being asked what its like being the second man on the moon seems very odd to me indeed
 
Bah, :sleep: I don't think I can read anyone elses posts I'll just get upset. Here is mine.

There are a bunch of people who don't know much about anything saying we didn't land on the moon (we as in humans/USA, whatever you want to call it)

I've said it before... Thousands get on planes every day and fly to other continents. every day, day and night.

Dont you think with that much time, money, the smartest people they can find, testing, thinking, (I could go on and on)

. Don't you think they could fly to the moon? the whole enourmous rocket is filled with fuel. enough fuel to get those guys in space and the rest is just flying a "plane" dude, then they open the bay doors and release thier little lander, and use the rocket propultion to guide it to the moon.
They have trained and trained for this. The moon is pulling it down. The moon has less gravity than earth, so it is not as dangerous or hard impact. It is designed to do this you see.
I have been to the museums and seen this awesome stuff.

they did it.
BTW the flag had a wire to hold it out.

after searching around and seeing dozens of "they faked it" websites and even checking some out and reading, It makes me sick
... basically, read the first part of my post.
 
1. Apollo 14 astronaut Allen Shepard played golf on the Moon. In front of a worldwide TV audience, Mission Control teased him about slicing the ball to the right. Yet a slice is caused by uneven air flow over the ball. The Moon has no atmosphere and no air.

2. A camera panned upwards to catch Apollo 16's Lunar Landerlifting off the Moon. Who did the filming?

3. One NASA picture from Apollo 11 is looking up at Neil Armstrong about to take his giant step for mankind. The photographer must have been lying on the planet surface. If Armstrong was the first man on the Moon, then who took the shot?

4. The pressure inside a space suit was greater than inside a football. The astronauts should have been puffed out like the Michelin Man, but were seen freely bending their joints.

5. The Moon landings took place during the Cold War. Why didn't America make a signal on the moon that could be seen from earth? The PR would have been phenomenal and it could have been easily done with magnesium flares.

6. Text from pictures in the article said that only two men walked on the Moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Yet the astronaut reflected in the visor has no camera. Who took the shot?

7. The flags shadow goes behind the rock so doesn't match the dark line in the foreground, which looks like a line cord. So the shadow to the lower right of the spaceman must be the flag. Where is his shadow? And why is the flag fluttering if there is no air or wind on the moon?

8. How can the flag be brightly lit when its side is to the light? And where, in all of these shots, are the stars?

9. The Lander weighed 17 tons yet the astronauts feet seem to have made a bigger dent in the dust. The powerful booster rocket at the base of the Lunar Lander was fired to slow descent to the moons service. Yet it has left no traces of blasting on the dust underneath. It should have created a small crater, yet the booster looks like it's never been fired.
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1. Because they are joking about a game of golf?
2. They left a remote camera on the surface specially to do that dim wit
3. There was an external camera boom specially made for this, because that was the legendary piece of footage they wanted.
4. Because their suits are reinforced you idiot, it would be useless otherwise.
5. Why would they need to do that?.....they had cameras e.t.c and carrying magnesium flares in a space craft is a bad idea since they are incendary devices.
6. The camera is mounted in the chest plate dim wit......part of their suit, go learn about space equipment before thinking you know best.
7. That makes little sence, as for the flag, it was "fluttering" due to the fact the pole was vibrating a little from where its put in the ground, the movements resonating through the flag and not being damped by space......yes it looks odd but thats space.
8. The flag is a lot brighter than the moon ground, infact the moon is actually dark grey...and also being clear the light illuminates the flag so it radiates light through.
And as for stars mr know it all.......can you see stars in the middle of the day? eh?.......no you cant, the reason is dick wad is because the sun bouncing off the moon is so much brighter than the stars that you wont see them because of the exposure.....go to the moon at night and you will see stars...not in the day.
9. 2 things, the landers feet are probably bigger than the astronauts, spreading the weight.....its like saying "oh an elephant would make more of a depression than a human in stilletos because its heavier".....the stilletos person actually makes the deeper imprint.
And as for the booster blast.......THERE IS NOT ATOMOSPHERE dick wad, you dont get air being blown around, the only dust to be moved would be burnt rocket fuel particles hitting the dust on the ground.......you would not get a dust cloud from a rocket like you do in an atomosphere.

Mate i suggest you learn basic physical principles before even attempting to argue your case, then you will see you are wrong.


...................look see how easily he was pwned, thats the sort of idiots that think that, stupidity ....does not even account for basic physics and makes some "oh it should be like earth" errors.
 
Doppelgofer said:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
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I hate sites like that (and it always seems to be conspiracy theory site) - how hard can it be to order the text into shorter pages. I know it doesn't change the substance of the page, but it makes a shed load easier to refer to and to read
 
hahah, NO> the guy said the lander weighed 17 tons. Thats unbelievable. A ton is 2,000 lbs. (not sure if thats exact)thats 24,000 lbs.
Thats just BS. I don't believe that

It was made of some crazy foil substance and light weight materials and the highest quality metals known to man.
It is very small, i have seen it at the museum.
Arnold shwarzeneger could practically pick the thing up

If I had to make a guess I would say it weighed 400-800 lbs with fuel. not with people or so.

say with fuel 1600 lbs. max. + humans.. + human stuff = 2,400

it weighed a maximum, around 2,400 in my eyes. not 24,000. anyway I bet there is light dust on surface with much harder underneath + biggass feat = not much of a mark.

If you drive your car on some dirt, it doesnt make a mark hardly, just a track from the lighter looser dirt on top. Im sure the moon is harder than earth. no worms, water, grass.

Anyway I wont say anymore! look at the thousands of pictures available to the public just type Nasa Apollo space pictures something like that to google.

lol 17 tons. I don't belive it. someone look it up on nasa.gov
 
Murray_H said:
I hate sites like that (and it always seems to be conspiracy theory site) - how hard can it be to order the text into shorter pages. I know it doesn't change the substance of the page, but it makes a shed load easier to refer to and to read
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Because people with webdesign sense are inteligent and dont believe in awful conspiracy theories :thumbs:

Well done Short Recoil, you've convinced me we went there. Although whats all this thing about the photo's having 2 light sources? how do you explain that...?
 
short recoil said:
Weight: Empty: 8,650 pounds apparently (from some site)
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That still sounds high. Well I know they didn't have "plenty of fuel" becuase I remember that being a huge concern . read "scare."
 
i tell you what was weird and that i can't find an article about ANYWHERE....back when i was about...13 or something i was watching a documentary about conspiracies and nasa and all that crap with my dad...and they showed 2 pieces of footage which were fascinating

the first one was filmed by a space crew aboard some russian space craft orbiting the earth and it showed the earth....and a strange object hovering near it and you see some sort of projectile heading toward it from the earth and the object jetting off at incomprehendable speeds

the second one i can't remember where it was filmed from and most wouldn't believe me but my dad is a witness to it aswell but it just shows the moon in frame and you think big deal....then suddenly you see this really odd .....thing....that looked very much like a spider shift across the surface at an incredible speed....

it was REALLY weird and kept me up at night at the time....i've not been able to find anything about it since though

oh how i love conspiracy.....it makes me hope there is more to this pointless existance i lead
 
oldagerocker said:
Because people with webdesign sense are inteligent and dont believe in awful conspiracy theories :thumbs:

Well done Short Recoil, you've convinced me we went there. Although whats all this thing about the photo's having 2 light sources? how do you explain that...?
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Alright white things reflect light. black things absorb...

That explains everything.
 
oldagerocker said:
Although whats all this thing about the photo's having 2 light sources? how do you explain that...?
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Well if you remember there is THE EARTH bouncing light and a couple of guys in WHITE suits and a big silver reflective lander near them.
Its hardly suprising there is some light scattering, there would even be light scattering from nearby mountains e.t.c (which are pretty big)
 
short recoil said:
Well if you remember there is THE EARTH bouncing light and a couple of guys in WHITE suits and a big silver reflective lander near them.
Its hardly suprising there is some light scattering, there would even be light scattering from nearby mountains e.t.c (which are pretty big)
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Ah yeah, it all makes sense really lol mars'll be next :imu:
 
exactly. yes. the earth was like the moon works.. reflectig some light to the moon. without the moon, it would be pitch black on earth at night.

therefore with the earth shining from the sun, it was lighting up the moon some. but mostly the sun and refections from thier white suits white flag, reflective metals/surfaces.

*/me leaves.
 
Doppelgofer said:
i've just found...not what i was looking for...but something thats VEEEERY arguable but interesting to say the least

http://www.strangemilitary.com/content/item/11648.html
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Gah, some people cant see the blindingly obvious......notice how the "smoke" moves in exact conformation with the camera frame?
That shows its something on the lens......unless the smoke is magic and has deliberatley moved to look like something on the lens.
 
short recoil said:
Gah, some people cant see the blindingly obvious......notice how the "smoke" moves in exact conformation with the camera frame?
That shows its something on the lens......unless the smoke is magic and has deliberatley moved to look like something on the lens.
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yeah i was thinking itd probably be scratches on film
 
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