Exterminate Israel

[RakuraiTenjin]

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

"The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government
rallies.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/15E6BF77-6F91-46EE-A4B5-A3CE0E9957EA.htm


Genocidal fools, they won't stop. They won't stop even after the creation of a Palestinian state, that's not what they want. They want the Israelis to be pushed into the sea, plain and simple.

 

[bliink]

I'm sure people could pull up all kinds of things asking for muslims, arabs etc to have the same thing done to them.

In the end its your nutballs vs theirs.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Of course, but not such a high ranking official.

But the kicker for me- these comments that Israel should be wiped off the map while Iran is pursuing tech that is the gateway to the bomb. If anything it solidifies more the case for any Israeli preemptive airstrike against nuclear facilities.

 

[Reaktor4]

That was a stupid thing to say

 

[Lemonking]

They dont even have the right to exsist as a state imo but killing them wont solve the problem, as long as the US plays sugar daddy for Israel both US and Israel will have trouble with Islamic terror.

 

[Icarusintel]

I just wanna see Israel kick everyone's asses again, like they did in the 3 Days War... that was some crazy, awesome shit they pulled

 

[15357]

They dont even have the right to exsist as a state imo but killing them wont solve the problem, as long as the US plays sugar daddy for Israel both US and Israel will have trouble with Islamic terror.

What he said.

 

[bliink]

I just wanna see Israel kick everyone's asses again, like they did in the 3 Days War... that was some crazy, awesome shit they pulled

wasn't that the 6 days war?

 

[CptStern]

heh



there's a difference between eradicating the state of israel and eradicating israelis

 

[SAJ]

What an idiot.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ,Iran`s very own GW Bush.

 

[Icarusintel]

wasn't that the 6 days war?

i prefer the shortened version, thank you very much

 

[Direwolf]

I think Iran's got enough problems of its own at the moment. And a lot of their young people seem to have picked up the knack for just rolling their eyes at whatever their elders say.

 

[Teta_Bonita]

Israel is going to pwn them.

 

[CptStern]

Israel is going to pwn them.

my what an insightful comment ...if that is the eventuality then be prepared for the war that will end all wars as it will quickly become a religious war


you people dont seem to understand that the middle east is a powder keg waiting to blow up. It's been brewing for over 20 years, a misstep will bring everyone into the fight and it'll end noisily and in utter finality for millions of people from all over the world



the US opened a pandoras box with the invasion of iraq ..your kids kids will still be dealing with it's ramifications

 

[The Monkey]

I think you're overestimating the strength of the middle-east, stern. The countries in ME are among the poorest in asia and I doubt that their military capacity is big enough to challange the west. The London bombings show that the terrorists' capacity has been degrading since 911. Yes, Iran with its 70 million population is capable of some harm, but nome of them are capable of launching a full-scale attack at neither america nor europe.

 

[VictimOfScience]

you people dont seem to understand that the middle east is a powder keg waiting to blow up. It's been brewing for over 20 years

I'd argue that its been brewing since '48, but that's neither here nor there right now. No matter what happens over there, nothing seems to ever change. The 6-Days War certainly demonstrated that Israel was capable of protecting themselves and I am sure that the Arab nations will never forget their embarrassing ineffectiveness and impotency that was revealed to the world.

Luckily, no major world leaders are backing President Ahmadinejad's insane and hateful rhetoric and there are even calls now to remove Iran from the UN. They are definitely one to be watched extremely closely now that these comments have been made. I fear they may have sealed their fate. Kim Jong Il hasn't even gone this far!

Spoiler

Yet....

 

[Direwolf]

I think you're overestimating the strength of the middle-east, stern. The countries in ME are among the poorest in asia and I doubt that their military capacity is big enough to challange the west. The London bombings show that the terrorists' capacity has been degrading since 911. Yes, Iran with its 70 million population is capable of some harm, but nome of them are capable of launching a full-scale attack at neither america nor europe.

Doesn't Iran have like the fourth largest army in the world?

 

[VictimOfScience]

Doesn't Iran have like the fourth largest army in the world?

Nope. Here's a recent list (not sure about the exact date for this though):

1. China - 1,700,000
2. India - 1,200,000
3. North Korea - 900,000
4. South Korea - 560,000
5. Pakistan - 520,000
6. United States - 475,000
7. Iraq - 360,000 - Pre-2003, of course.
8. Myanmar - 325,000
9. Russia - 320,000
10. Iran - 320,000

 

[Direwolf]

Ok, got my statistics messed up. It was that they have the same size army as Russia. Which is still pretty darn huge, especially for a country of that size.

 

[Apocalypse89]

I am a native to the Middle East, and I just can't help but laugh every time someone lumps the entire region into a single entity like it was one giant nation. We are almost as diverse economically, politically, and culturally as Europe.

 

[Gray Fox]

I am a native to the Middle East, and I just can't help but laugh every time someone lumps the entire region into a single entity like it was one giant nation. We are almost as diverse economically, politically, and culturally as Europe.

True, but they like to come of to the outside world as United by Islam So it is in part their own fault. And when Israel is concerned it is pretty true.

 

[The Monkey]

Doesn't Iran have like the fourth largest army in the world?

No, 8th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_size_of_Armed_Forces

 

[Beerdude26]

Can someone tell me wtf the 6-day war was?

 

[The Monkey]

Can someone tell me wtf the 6-day war was?

Wikipedia is your friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

 

[Icarusintel]

Ok, got my statistics messed up. It was that they have the same size army as Russia. Which is still pretty darn huge, especially for a country of that size.

but it's not so much the size of the army as much as it is how they use it and the technology they have, and frankly, Israel has the best military technology in the region and they use it almost every day, so they're very proficient with it

 

[OCybrManO]

Honestly, while I usually tend to support the Jews in most other aspects... I can't, in good conscience, support the Zionist movement. Taking land from people that had owned it for well over a millenium prior to it being given to Israel was a bad idea to begin with. Sure, the Jews controlled it at one point... but that was nearly two thousand years ago. Plus, the Palestinians didn't actually take it from the Jews. They took it, correct me if I'm wrong, from the Romans who were the ones that had taken it from the Jews. In any case, I just don't think unearthing families that had lived somewhere for centuries and arbitrarily giving it to someone else is fair. In addition, I would be a hypocrite for supporting taking the land from the Palestinians and giving it to the Jews... because the land I am living in today was unlawfully taken from the Indians by the Spanish and subsequently taken from the Spanish by the USA.

 

[The Mullinator]

Honestly, while I usually tend to support the Jews in most other aspects... I can't, in good conscience, support the Zionist movement. Taking land from people that had owned it for well over a millenium prior to it being given to Israel was a bad idea to begin with. Sure, the Jews controlled it at one point... but that was nearly two thousand years ago. Plus, the Palestinians didn't actually take it from the Jews. They took it, correct me if I'm wrong, from the Romans who were the ones that had taken it from the Jews. In any case, I just don't think unearthing families that had lived somewhere for centuries and arbitrarily giving it to someone else is fair. In addition, I would be a hypocrite for supporting taking the land from the Palestinians and giving it to the Jews... because the land I am living in today was unlawfully taken from the Indians by the Spanish and subsequently taken from the Spanish by the USA.

If what I had read was true it really wasn't taken aggresively. Apparently it was a pretty peaceful coexistance when Israelis first came in. It wasn't until later that hostilities started to show.

 

[The Monkey]

If what I had read was true it really wasn't taken aggresively. Apparently it was a pretty peaceful coexistance when Israelis first came in. It wasn't until later that hostilities started to show.

Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq decleared war on Israel a few hours after it had been established.

 

[The Mullinator]

Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq decleared war on Israel a few hours after it had been established.

I guess I should say "Jews" rather than Israelis since I was talking about the time before the country was actually created. There were many Jews in the region at that time and immigrations were occuring long before Israel was actually created.

 

[OCybrManO]

I guess I should say "Jews" rather than Israelis since I was talking about the time before the country was actually created.

... and I was talking about when the country was created. Imagine people coming from another country and saying they rightfully own the country you live in... the place you and your entire family have lived in for generations. Then, imagine having a superpower back-up their claims and actually getting it taken away from you. IMO, that doesn't sound like fun.

 

[The Mullinator]

... and I was talking about when the country was created. Imagine people coming from another country and saying they rightfully own the country you live in... the place you and your entire family have lived in for generations. Then, imagine having a superpower back-up their claims and actually getting it taken away from you. IMO, that doesn't sound like fun.

Its not that simple though. They didn't just march in and claim it pushing everyone else out:

The first wave of Jewish emigration to Israel, or Aliyah (עלייה) started in the late 1800s as Jews fled persecution. The end of the 19th century saw the founding of Zionism, the national movement to create a Jewish political entity in Palestine, leading to the Second Aliyah during the first two decades of the 20th century with the influx of around 40,000 Jews. In 1917 the British Foreign Secretary Arthur J. Balfour issued the historic Balfour Declaration that "view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1920 Palestine became a League of Nations mandate administered by Britain (see British Mandate of Palestine).

Jewish immigration resumed in third and fourth waves after World War I. Later, the rise of Nazism in 1933 led to a fifth wave of Aliyah, and the Jews in the region increased from 11% of the population in 1922 to 30% by 1940. The subsequent Holocaust in Europe led to additional immigration from other parts of Europe. By the end of World War II, the number of Jews in Palestine was approximately 600,000.

In 1939 the British abandoned the idea of a Jewish national home, and abandoned partition and negotiations in favour of the unilaterally-imposed White Paper of 1939, which capped Jewish immigration.

Its other stated policy was to establish a system under which both Jews and Arabs were to share one government. As a result of impending world war, the plan was never fully implemented, but the White Paper policy was implemented well into the end of WW2, and enforced even when refugees who survived the Holocaust were fleeing from Nazi persecution. (See Struma article.)

...

In 1947, following increasing levels of violence by militant groups, alongside unsuccessful efforts to reconcile the Jewish and Arab populations, the British government decided to withdraw from the Palestine Mandate. Fulfillment of the 1947 UN Partition Plan would have divided the mandated territory into two states, Jewish and Arab, giving about half the land area to each state. Under this plan, Jerusalem was intended to be an international region under UN administration to avoid conflict over its status. Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the United Nations General Assembly, the Palestinian Arab leadership rejected the plan to create the as-yet-unnamed Jewish state and launched a guerilla war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

 

[gh0st]

there's a difference between eradicating the state of israel and eradicating israelis

suicide bombers arent attacking the state of israel when they blow themselves up in a falafel line, they are, however, eradicating israeli's very effectively. i doubt mr Ahmadinejad see's the difference anymore than they do... especially since he's supported islamic jihad.

 

[OCybrManO]

Its not that simple though. They didn't just march in and claim it pushing everyone else out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

It was a summary... and it still, basically, agrees with what you just posted. The Jews started coming in near the end of the 19th century. Not too long after the emigration began, the Zionists claim the right to form their own official Jewish nation within Palestine. Just short of 20 years into the next century, Britain began backing their efforts. Then, later, the UN steps in and again wants to split it into two countries. The problem wasn't caused so much by some Jews living there... but, instead, by the Zionist movement... and the arrogance (or, at the very least, perceived arrogance) of outsiders telling them what to do with their land. Sure, it would be nice if the Jews could have their old homeland back... but, logistically, it's not possible to do without pissing some people off.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

heh



there's a difference between eradicating the state of israel and eradicating israelis

Which is why a majority of Iranian backed/funded attacks carried out by Palestinian extremists target mainly and particularly unarmed and innocent civillians?

 

[CptStern]

Which is why a majority of Iranian backed/funded attacks carried out by Palestinian extremists target mainly and particularly unarmed and innocent civillians?

stop splitting hairs In this instance he may very well be calling for the eradication of the israeli state. This does not sound that he's calling for genocide


"where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come".



...you now, not everything is so black and white rakurai ..your side isnt good and the other side isnt evil ...it's somewhere in between for both groups

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

stop splitting hairs In this instance he may very well be calling for the eradication of the israeli state. This does not sound that he's calling for genocide


"where the annihilation of the Zionist regime will come".



...you now, not everything is so black and white rakurai ..your side isnt good and the other side isnt evil ...it's somewhere in between for both groups

Given past actions it's pretty clear they're not making a huge distinction. They want the Jews pushed into to the sea and out of what they claim to be muslim lands. Perhaps if they'd stop intentionally targetting civillians and putting out anti Jewish propaganda in schools/their government dealings it wouldn't seem so much of an issue against Jews.

 

[CptStern]

stay on this particular topic .....he's either calling for genocide or he's not ..there's no in between

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

stay on this particular topic .....he's either calling for genocide or he's not ..there's no in between

He's calling for genocide.

 

[gh0st]

stay on this particular topic .....he's either calling for genocide or he's not ..there's no in between

he supports suicide bombing ****wit its obvious he doesnt just support the nice little closure of the israeli government and the mass exodus of its citizens somewhere else. "wipe israel off the map". only you would somehow make it a good thing. oh they are just talking about the REGIME. thats idiotic when you consider bombing civilians is their method of choice for taking out that regime.

 

[Bob_Marley]

Need I remind you all that the Iranians will never officially touch Israel (they have some of the best weapons technology in the region, US support and [unacknowledged by the Israeli authority] around 100 nuclear warheads and the means to deliver them). Basically, if they do move against Israel it is likely that Iran will very quickly become a glass crater (don't forget, although the Israelis have good weapons their entire population is smaller than that of London) as the Israelis lack the conventional forces to launch a successful attack against Iran.

Also, Israel's right to exist has always been in question. Religious extremists who used terror to achieve their goals formed it. They kicked out 4 million Palestinians and have said that they may never return to their homeland. They have ignored UN resolutions with no real repercussions (basically the US support them so no one will touch them), they have blocked UN inquires into war crimes, They have sold huge quantities of weapons to what can be at best described a "questionable" regimes in South/Latin America (who, curiosity are concurrent with US foreign policy in the region and these sales have coincided with large amounts of US aid).

Now I'm not saying either way on this as both of these states have a somewhat "chequered" history since their formation and have both done more than their fair share of questionable things in the past, and no doubt will do in the future. But ultimately the mess that is the Middle East is bad enough without two of its most powerful states lining up for a fight.

I believe that Israel does have a right to exist. But, if they revert to their old style the situation could get a whole lot worse before it gets better. But, they need to realise that they have to share the middle east with allot of other people and that the state of Palestine has at least the same right to exist as that of Israel.

On the same note, Iran really needs to cool down. They have to realise that one cannot simply demand that a nation must be wiped of the map (well, not one with US backing anyway) and that no matter how much they want it the entire world does not share their views.

As for the bombing of civilians (suicide or not) it is never a good thing. But remember, Israel is in no position to denounce it (Jewish terrorists created the letter bomb, Genine, The use of large bombs to kill terrorist leaders [there is nothing wrong with killing terrorists] who are in apartment blocks full of civilians, etc...) Then again, most of the most powerful nations aren't either and they seem to do it all the time (Dresden, the blitz, Hiroshima, 'nam [both the French and American involvement], the Suez crisis, etc...)