Extremists, it's not right

[Mutley]

I saw this video:
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v227726hEHmFWsm&source=embedVideo

Which basicly shows hardcore Christians "brainwashing" children in to believing that God created the world and Dinosaurs were alive at the time of the bible.

Sure, it's a belief, an opinion but they are literally spoon feeding children, that won't have a choice if taught at such an early age.

In my opinion, I simply feel all extreme beliefs and religions are wrong, I totally agree that believing in something isn't a problem, I know loads of people who believe in God but when it gets to the point that it is persuading/provoking others, it's going to cause problems.

It's an interesting video, give it a gander.

 

[Vigilante]

There are extremists on the left too.

 

[theotherguy]

There are extremists on the left too.

There are extremists everywhere, its true.


EDIT: but this is sick. Another reason why the indoctrination of children into any ideology is downright wrong. We need to teach children the facts, not beliefs. Children are extremely vulnerable to any bullshit you tell them, and even if what you tell them is utter lunacy, if you tell them early enough and keep telling them, they will believe it all their lives.Our society really needs to look at this, and keep children away from all beliefs that are more of a matter of opinion or faith than of reason. We must teach them the facts and the facts only until they are old enough to reason what ideoulogy they want to believe in.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Incredible insight there V.
That's not the topic of the thread though.

In fact, leftist politics have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
America won the cold war. Deal with it?

 

[Max35]

I definitely agree with teaching children the facts first. Then, as they grow and mature, let them find their own belief system. I can't see anything else being helpful, honestly.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Funny, I thought having lip-piercings was a sin.

 

[Vigilante]

Incredible insight there V.
That's not the topic of the thread though.

In fact, leftist politics have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
America won the cold war. Deal with it?

This is somewhat true, at least in my opinion. He states that extremism is bad and points an example from the right. I was simply stating that right-side extremism isn't the only kind; it seems as if the only extremism pointed out on this board is from the right. Communism, for example, is the result of extremist left thinking. The ideas are nice behind communism, but it just doesn't work. I'm not saying one is worse than the other, as Fascism is a result of extreme right-sided thinking.

I do agree, however, that extremism on both sides is horrible.

 

[Solaris]

This is somewhat true, at least in my opinion. He states that extremism is bad and points an example from the right. I was simply stating that right-side extremism isn't the only kind; it seems as if the only extremism pointed out on this board is from the right. Communism, for example, is the result of extremist left thinking. The ideas are nice behind communism, but it just doesn't work. I'm not saying one is worse than the other, as Fascism is a result of extreme right-sided thinking.

I do agree, however, that extremism on both sides is horrible.

The religious issue is not right wing.

There is a significant group of Christians who are socialists and would like to establish a Socialist-Christian society, so this kind of religious fundamentalism isn't limited to either side of the spectrum.

 

[Absinthe]

Communism today doesn't even exist. The Soviet Union - the pinko "Empire of Evil" from the last century - may have paid lip service to leftist, liberal thinking. But the methods employed were fascist in nearly ever aspect.

Liberal extremism may indeed exist, but I've yet to see anybody supply a noteworthy example of it. It need not be said that die-hard lefties don't really rank among the greatest dangers facing the world today. Any looming threat of global warfare comes from militant, totalitarian, and/or irrational states.

 

[gick]

Communism today doesn't even exist. The Soviet Union - the pinko "Empire of Evil" from the last century - may have paid lip service to leftist, liberal thinking. But the methods employed were fascist in nearly ever aspect.

Liberal extremism may indeed exist, but I've yet to see anybody supply a noteworthy example of it. It need not be said that die-hard lefties don't really rank among the greatest dangers facing the world today. Any looming threat of global warfare comes from militant, totalitarian, and/or irrational states.

Wait a mo, left wing =/= liberal. Liberal extremists do exist, and they're called anarchists.

Maybe im getting confused, I think liberal means something slightly different in the US, or at least it did.

 

[SpotEnemyBoats]

There are some Liberal/Socialist countries out there that are emerging into totalitarian Communist states such as Venezuala. Little by little, Hugo Chavez who is a Socialist and a Anti-Capitalist is gaining more power.

Solaris's hero. :|

 

[gick]

There are some Liberal/Socialist countries out there that are emerging into totalitarian Communist states such as Venezuala. Little by little, Hugo Chavez who is a Socialist and a Anti-Capitalist is gaining more power.

Solaris's hero. :|

What is it with Americans equating Liberal with Socialist? The two are not mutually exclusive you know. Venezuela is anything but a liberal country - the president can now rule by decree, he's shutting down opposition media etc.

Now France, thats a Liberal-Socialist country.

Liberalism is a social and political thing. Socialism is primarily economic.

 

[Geogaddi]

I was under the impression that liberals push for less gov't control of people's lives and more control of the economy, the extreme being communism.

Anarchy would be the extreme of libertarianism, wanting less gov't control over everything. IIRC.

Either way, it's all a gross oversimplification and brainwashing children is disgusting.

 

[gick]

I was under the impression that liberals push for less gov't control of people's lives and more control of the economy, the extreme being communism.

Anarchy would be the extreme of libertarianism, wanting less gov't control over everything. IIRC.

Thats almost it.

Seriously, I wish everyone would use the terms on the political compass:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Political_chart.jpg

It makes everything so much simpler, not to mention consistent.

 

[Absinthe]

Wait a mo, left wing =/= liberal. Liberal extremists do exist, and they're called anarchists.

Maybe im getting confused, I think liberal means something slightly different in the US, or at least it did.

Politics in the US can, for the most part, be divided into two categories.

Democrat <---> Republican
Liberal <---> Conservative
Left <---> Right​

I'll accept anarchists as an example. But the more pertinent question is: Do they really matter? Has anarchy ever held sway over the world extending beyond dumb kids in high school?

My point is that any mention of mention of "extremism on both sides" is usually right-wing apologetics. This is ignoring pure economics.

 

[Walter]

Which basicly shows hardcore Christians "brainwashing" children in to believing that God created the world and Dinosaurs were alive at the time of the bible.

And atheists "brainwash" children in to believing that the universe was created out of nothing , am i right?

 

[Cole]

And atheists "brainwash" children in to believing that the universe was created out of nothing , am i right?

Being an Athiest has nothing to do with the universe. It literally means "lack of belief in god".

Basically if you wrote a story containing everything about a person who is an atheist, there would be no mention of god.


So no we do not brainwash that. Some athiests might, but not all of us. Saying that we all do is like saying all black people are in gangs and can't speak decent english. I for one do not know how the Universe was created. I would like to find out though, rather than settle on something retarded and backed up by absolutely no logical facts.

 

[Absinthe]

And atheists "brainwash" children in to believing that the universe was created out of nothing , am i right?

You'd think that any quick look over any of the posts related to what atheism is and isn't would at least reveal to somebody that atheism has nothing to do with the creation of the universe, your politics, your worldviews, or anything else other than not believing in gods.

*Edited for cleanliness, even though Sebastian already quoted it.

 

[Sebastian]

You're a ****ing idiot.

You'd think that any quick look over any of the posts related to what atheism is and isn't would at least reveal to somebody that atheism has nothing to do with the creation of the universe, your politics, your worldviews, or anything else other than not believing in gods.

so how do you believe that the universe came to be?

 

[Absinthe]

so how do you believe that the universe came to be?

I don't know, and I don't claim to know.

It's irrelevant to my atheism. I could say it was the Big Bang, but I could also say the universe is a consequence of inter-dimensional aliens shitting into the void. This is because atheism makes no claims about abiogenesis or anything of the sort.

 

[Jintor]

It has no bearing on this matter!

 

[Vigilante]

I don't know, and I don't claim to know.

It's irrelevant to my atheism. I could say it was the Big Bang, but I could also say the universe is a consequence of inter-dimensional aliens shitting into the void. This is because atheism makes no claims about abiogenesis or anything of the sort.

Heh...you should watch/read The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene. It's a documentary on String Thoery and gives some suggestions as to how the universe began.

 

[Absinthe]

I've seen it. Pretty interesting/enjoyable watch. Although it felt it like was dumbing down a lot of concepts for many viewers.