FBI backdoor shennanigans

[CptStern]

closing in on a police state

"The Federal Communications Commission voted 5-0 last week to prohibit businesses from offering broadband or Internet phone service unless they provide police with backdoors for wiretapping access."


nothing is sacred anymore ...watch what you say, big brother may be listening

 

[Dedalus]

i hate they way they justify all this by flinging the word 'terrorists' into the conversation.

 

[Foxtrot]

I don't care, I have nothing to hide.

 

[The Dark Elf]

I don't care, I have nothing to hide.

same here so doesn't bother me neither, since most ISP's watch what you say and do anyway heh. Things I might want to hide from prying eyes I'd not use emails or IM for anyway, that would just be dumb.

 

[CptStern]

I think what is most insidious about this all is that it sets a precedent. They literally could eavesdrop on a conversation and spin it in whatever direction they want ...all without informing the persons involved. It's an invasion of privacy that is meant to curtail our freedom to post or talk about anything we want (good or bad).

 

[Dalamari]

Im willing to give up freedoms to be more safe, if they have to give everyone a cavity search, so be it.

 

[CptStern]

Im willing to give up freedoms to be more safe, if they have to give everyone a cavity search, so be it.

are you really all that much more safe now than before 9/11? When do we draw the line between security and invasion of privacy?

unless they have some sort of proof, no one is giving me a cavity search ...I have the right to not have my anus probed, thank you very much

 

[Foxtrot]

are you really all that much more safe now than before 9/11? When do we draw the line between security and invasion of privacy?

unless they have some sort of proof, no one is giving me a cavity search ...I have the right to not have my anus probed, thank you very much

My friend had to have a cavity search, because the found tent steaks and a pocket knife in his carry-on. Being the dumbass he is he said I don't remember putting those in their, which would sound like(to the airport friskers) that someone has tampered with his bag. About 20 minutes of frisking, probing and interrogating we got to go.

 

[Maxi]

I'm still glad I live in Finland, and it's becoming less and less atractive to move over to the states.

 

[Foxtrot]

I'm still glad I live in Finland, and it's becoming less and less atractive to move over to the states.

Do people in Finland enjoy making explosives in their free time? Or hijacking planes? Or sending asshole Senetors and celebrities anthrax?

 

[CptStern]

My friend had to have a cavity search, because the found tent steaks and a pocket knife in his carry-on. Being the dumbass he is he said I don't remember putting those in their, which would sound like(to the airport friskers) that someone has tampered with his bag. About 20 minutes of frisking, probing and interrogating we got to go.

hmmm he shouldnt have had those items in his bag ..even in canada I cant board a plane with even the smallest of knives (hell they dont even allow you on with any sort of aerosol spray) ...funnily enough a friend of mine went to Nepal 2 months before 9/11 and brought me back a 12 inch Sherpa knife (the blade is just huge) ..in his duffle bag, without any problems

but you're also an american ...so it should be expected that your security would be a little tighter that everyone elses

 

[Ames]

I wonder what happens if......

bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb
terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist terrorist

Just checking. Now all I have to do is wait.

 

[Foxtrot]

hmmm he shouldnt have had those items in his bag ..even in canada I cant board a plane with even the smallest of knives (hell they dont even allow you on with any sort of aerosol spray) ...funnily enough a friend of mine went to Nepal 2 months before 9/11 and brought me back a 12 inch Sherpa knife (the blade is just huge) ..in his duffle bag, without any problems

but you're also an american ...so it should be expected that your security would be a little tighter that everyone elses

Wow that knife is awsome, do you cut lots of stuff with it? :bounce:

 

[CptStern]

and that's the last we'll see of The Thing


EDIT: Foxtrot: no it's too sharp to use and weighs quite a bit. The sherpas used it as a utility knife but it was also used by the Nepaly royal guard (Ghurkas ...sorta of like special forces) and they claim it can decapitate someone

btw the knife is about 14-16 inches long including handle and cost $4 american (yes $4 ...street vendor ..and it's of high quality ...the blade is about 2 centimeters thick at the base of the blade)

 

[Maxi]

Do people in Finland enjoy making explosives in their free time? Or hijacking planes? Or sending asshole Senetors and celebrities anthrax?

We don't do that kind of stuff. Last time there was a hostage situation was about a year ago, and that time it was a crazy guy with a shotgun who held the store clerk of a gas station hostage. It ended with the crazy guy shot by a military sniper iirc, and everything ended well.

And we don't have any terrorists. Atleast, they don't do shit in our country.

 

[HatRabit]

I dont see anything wrong with it but I live in Canada

 

[CptStern]

well would you want the police to eavesdrop on your converations? what if you were talking to someone who may be an activist? (lets say pro-life) You could be implicated just by talking to him

 

[Dedalus]

hmmm he shouldnt have had those items in his bag ..even in canada I cant board a plane with even the smallest of knives (hell they dont even allow you on with any sort of aerosol spray) ...funnily enough a friend of mine went to Nepal 2 months before 9/11 and brought me back a 12 inch Sherpa knife (the blade is just huge) ..in his duffle bag, without any problems

but you're also an american ...so it should be expected that your security would be a little tighter that everyone elses

where did you pull Sherpa Knife from? it's a Kukri Knife. never heard it being called a sherpa knife before :O

 

[CptStern]

ya I really dont know what it's called ...I've heard Sherpa, Ghurka, and BFB (big effing...blade)

 

[Ames]

well would you want the police to eavesdrop on your converations? what if you were talking to someone who may be an activist? (lets say pro-life) You could be implicated just by talking to him

The FBI may have picked up my deliberate string of "trigger words." Since you, and a few others, have also posted in this thread, you might be put on the FBI's evil people list.

Hmmm...

 

[Direwolf]

This isn't exactly new or anything...its basicly allowing the government to place a "wiretap" on a digital conversation. The same things been true of phones for decades. They were scared that Voice-over-IP would allow for absolutely untraceable conversation.

 

[CptStern]

heh with all the anti-war threads I participate I'd be surprised if I'm not on the FBI shite list (I'm canadian so ....nahnahnahnah!!!) ...but if they come after me, I'm implicating you ..as the ringleader

 

[CrazyHarij]

Can anybody say 1984?

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Direwolf has a good point. Its no different from how its been for decades really, but now its just new technology. There are always ways round these things for the diehards who simply cannot stand to have their privacy taken away. To be honest, I'm fine both ways, at the moment I don't do anything illegal (the fact that I don't live in the USA also helps ) and I don't have anything to hide. Although, it does feel rather violating knowing that someone is looking at your private thoughts. Anyway, the only time I would really have a problem with this, is if they started pumping out more and more stupid laws.

 

[CptStern]

I dont know how it is in the US, but in canada the police need a subpoena to get a wiretap (they would have to provide evidence that you actually did something) ...but from the looks of it they wouldnt need one to tap your internet connection

but then again I think the patriot act took away the need for a subpoena, but I could be wrong

 

[Direwolf]

I believe it instead made it much easier for them to attain a subpoena, which is needed to place a tap.
This also seems to be an extension of CLEA law, which is what allows for wiring tapping. Under that law a subpoena is needed, so it would seem that they still need one for internet tapping.

 

[CptStern]

not necessarily:

"But CALEA's requirements go hand in hand with the Patriot Act, which expanded the circumstances under which police may obtain wiretaps without a judge's prior approval. What assurances can you provide that the substantial powers you're seeking won't be abused? "


it's a stepping stone to tapping VoIP and instant chat:

"Skype, PGPfone, and the still-incomplete GPGfone intentionally glue encryption into their VoIP applications to make them untappable. Your predecessor, Louis Freeh, lobbied Congress to ban strong encryption, and one House of Representatives committee agreed to his proposal in 1997. Will you pick up where he left off? "

"You've been saying that terrorists may use VoIP services to "evade lawful electronic surveillance." But the only detailed court statistics available show that 77 percent of wiretap applications were for drug crimes, and terrorism-related offenses were so few they didn't even make the chart. Is terrorism the real reason behind your wiretap push?"

 

[Direwolf]

To be honest: its a moot point anyway. This is the stuff everyone sees that causes skirmishes over privacy rights etc, but has little effect upon what is actually going on in the background.
I'll be damned if they can't do this already, and do it easily. The hanging point there is that its not admissable as any kind of real evidence, since they can't admit to ability. But if they need to see what you're saying thats not going to be an issue for them.

 

[CptStern]

I'd rather CSIS (canadian secret service ...yes we have them) not eavesdrop on me. I know of people who are being tapped (animal rights lawyer ...they called her and told her she was being monitored) ...it doesnt stand up in court but can be used to gain information that couldnt be gained any other way (good or bad).

 

[theneb]

My computer has completly legit software (every app!) and my home network runs through a proxy to stop anyone from viewing potentially illegal pages.

 

[blackeye]

One proxy wont slow anyone down that much. You should use atleast 4 if you got something to hide. And even then your totally not secure. Im happy I live in canada though and the government gots nothing on me.
Has anyone seen bowling for columbine. Michael Moore said something about the reason they have so man gun deaths is because the media is always running stories about death and murders and making the general public afraid of anything and everything. (not that I agree with it im just saying). If the general public is afraid of so much it is much easier for the government to pass these laws. But im sick of all this terrorist bullshit. Every day there is something in our newspapers about terrorist and where they plan to bomb next and how american homeland security is even tighter........

 

[Direwolf]

Oh good lord...leave Moore out of this. We already have about a billion threads on the man that you can look up if you wish.

 

[blackeye]

I never read the offtopic chat so didint know.

 

[smwScott]

The truth is that no one in the world is truly free. The bigger governments are all capable of monitoring anything its' citizens do, legal or not. The smaller governments make no pretense of being free. I personally hate the direction the entire world is taking, particularly America with the Patriot Act. I would much rather be at greater risk if it meant having complete privacy, but that can't happen. I'm totally against big government, and I hate any type of intrusive policies. Personally I think the FCC itself shouldn't even exist.

There's really nothing you can do about it though. It will be a very long time before it reaches the levels in fiction such as Fahrenheit 451 or 1984, but it will probably get there eventually.

 

[h4vvok]

The people of the USA (No offense as doesn't apply to folks here) are well, like a chihuahua. Even the smallest noise, the smallest annoyance, or the smallest pain sends them into a yelping frenzy.....for instance the "Lacy Peterson Story" (Spelling?)....boohoo lets all cry for the pregnant white woman who got killed, about a thousand others like her died the week earlier but you don't hear about those folks. I never hear about anyone getting murdered in the USA unless they happen to be white, pregnant, or somehow important. Just makes me sick how the media totally controls the USA nowadays, if J-Lo takes a crap it's on the presidents desk during the "session". Anyway I kinda strayed off topic but the point is the USA is trembling at the words terrorist, bomb, and murder and that is what is fueling the terrorists now, they got an attack on the USA that made them scared and now that they got them in fear no war will stop them.

 

[smwScott]

^^^

You're right. A lot of what you said was basically the same point Michael Moore made in Bowling for Columbine. The Bush administration makes heavy use of scare tactics to win over the American people. Their only hope for winning the election is to scare the absolute shit out of enough ignorant people to gain them the majority.

 

[bliink]

I don't care, I have nothing to hide.

you have nothing to hide yet...

and I'd rather be in a little danger than forfeit all my freedoms (and i'm talking about what real 'freedoms' actually still exist... not that BS that politicians keep reminding us of i.e. "Fighting for their freedom")

 

[Voodoo_Chile]

I saw this site in Sig of someone on another forum

http://www.againsttcpa.com/

It has a similar theme to the thread and raises far more alarming issues then this.

 

[Foxtrot]

you have nothing to hide yet...

and I'd rather be in a little danger than forfeit all my freedoms (and i'm talking about what real 'freedoms' actually still exist... not that BS that politicians keep reminding us of i.e. "Fighting for their freedom")

A few people that will probably never listen in on one of your conversations is not taking away all your freedoms, quit being a whiny little bitch and get over it.