FEMA Saw Hurricane Coming, Bush Cut Funding by 40%

[No Limit]

There you go, another example of our incompetent president and how his little war project destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives this week.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/08/31/disaster_preparation/index.html

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

Aug. 31, 2005 | Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.

But sure, Iraq was worth it.

 

[Icarusintel]

but even if the funding had been there we will never know if anything would have been done to improve the levees, for all we know the money would've been spent more on personnel
this disaster seems more inevitable mainly due to the fact the city is mostly under sea level, which was poor planning
that being said, this is a tragedy that is still going on and fingers can be pointed as well at the state, county, and city officials or at the people who were too stubborn to leave, along with the lack of adequate transportation for those wanting to get out, but in the end it's a natural disaster that proves man still doesn;t have complete control of his environment

 

[MiccyNarc]

*sun explodes*
The Left:
"OMFG THIS IS BUSH'S FAULT! LET'S IGNORE THE FACT THAT THE GOVERNMENTS ON EARTH HAVE NO SAY ON WHAT HAPPENS IN SPACE!"
The Right:
"OMFG THIS RELATES SOMEHOW TO CLINTON! WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT JUST DOES!"

In the end:
We're all screwed anyway, so why does it matter?

 

[Apos]

The major destruction wasn't caused just by the winds and hurricane directly, but by the leeves bearking afterwards, flooding the city. That could have been prevented. FEMA listed this EXACT situation as the third most likely major disaster: in 2001. Instead of dealing with the problem funding for research into solutions was cut. And in later years, money for even minimal solutions was cut even more to make room for the war.

 

[Icarusintel]

The major destruction wasn't caused just by the winds and hurricane directly, but by the leeves bearking afterwards, flooding the city. That could have been prevented. FEMA listed this EXACT situation as the third most likely major disaster: in 2001. Instead of dealing with the problem funding for research into solutions was cut. And in later years, money for even minimal solutions was cut even more to make room for the war.

wonder if there'd be any complaints if the money was cut for their funding to go to aid for african countries....:|

 

[satch919]

What could we have really done though? It seems to me that people had plenty of warnings. There's no way we could have evacuated millions of people all at once in that time frame.

Now hurricane awareness is going to shoot sky-high. It's a little late though. It's sad that in order to get anything done, people have to get hurt or die. :frown:

 

[Icarusintel]

What could we have really done though? It seems to me that people had plenty of warnings. There's no way we could have evacuated millions of people all at once in that time frame.

Now hurricane awareness is going to shoot sky-high. It's a little late though. It's sad that in order to get anything done, people have to get hurt or die. :frown:

that's the way shit works in this world, unless something tragic happens no one cares, and that certainly isn;t going to change anytime soon, and besides, society tends to be very forgetful

 

[sinkoman]

Wasn't he on vacation when the hurricane hit?

EDIT: And as far as i'm concerned, New Orleans was in a bad position to start with. Below sea level, under the Mississippi, held out of water by levees (hehe, can't stop thinking of Led Zeppelin when I say that). They were like american girls, just asking for a rape.

You're right, sometimes there's nothing you can do (like, they were asking for a rape. There was nothing they could do to prevent it from comming). I realize that my whole state is boned if we get hit by a hurricane. A bunch of rocks surrounded by hurricane fuel? Not to mention we have nowhere to be evacuated to, and supplies will take at least a week (more like a month though) to get here.

And I fail to see what you mean by hurricane awareness will shoot up. We've always been on constant hurricane/tsunami watch here, and we're the tsunami watch for most of this half of the world.

We=hawaii.

EDIT: Re read what you said Apos, and I had no idea they had warning on the levees. So maybe they WEREN'T asking for that beating...

 

[Mechagodzilla]

The moral here is that the billions invested in the Iraq war would be better spent on smarter things, which I think has been fairly obvious for a couple years now.

 

[Llama]

Good old Bush...

*RANT* ****ING IDIOT

*Concered* Hundreds -Thousands dead?

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Bush should have invaded the hurricane.

 

[Llama]

But serioslu, is there anywhere you can check up on the officila death toll?

 

[MiccyNarc]

But serioslu, is there anywhere you can check up on the officila death toll?

There's none yet. Estimated hundreds or thousands dead.

 

[No Limit]

Some of you have a real hard time actually wanting to listen to what is posted. The bottom line is that Bush was warned this would happen yet he cut funding because of the war so those leeves could never be finished being rebuilt. The reason most of the city is flooded is because of those leeves. How this is not the fault of his Iraq war I can not see; yet some of you guys act like its not. :upstare:

 

[baxter]

Some of you have a real hard time actually wanting to listen to what is posted. The bottom line is that Bush was warned this would happen yet he cut funding because of the war so those leeves could never be finished being rebuilt. The reason most of the city is flooded is because of those leeves. How this is not the fault of his Iraq war I can not see; yet some of you guys act like its not. :upstare:

Bush ignore warnings, surely not.....

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/..._911_timeline&before_9/11=foreignIntelligence

 

[CptStern]

"German intelligence gives the CIA the first name of hijacker Marwan Alshehhi and his telephone number in the United Arab Emirates."



hehehe

Bush: "Helllo? is this a mister Mar-wan Al-she-di, this is GW"

Marwan Alshehhi: "Why yes, yes it is ....how did you get this number?"

Bush: "the krauts ...anyways, just wondering ..are you planning on attacking the United States of America?"

Marwan Alshehhi: .......ummmm ....no?

Bush: "guess dem krauts are playing pranks on me again ...I reckon you were right Donald, there's no planned attack on america ...let's finish drawing up these plans to steal Saddam's oil"

 

[No Limit]

Bush fired Republican that criticised his cuts:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...15.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

I'm not saying it wouldn't still be flooded, but I do feel that if it had been totally funded, there would be less flooding than you have," said Michael Parker, a former Republican Mississippi congressman who headed the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers from October 2001 until March 2002, when he was ousted after publicly criticizing a Bush administration proposal to cut the corps' budget.

Seinfeld and other Republicans, when are you all going to wake the **** up and admit this guy is ruining this country? Thousands are going to die in this; yet, lives could have been saved if it wasn't for your support of this prick.

 

[No Limit]

This morning on Good Morning America Bush had the nerve to say nobody could predict the levees would break. What a ****ing liar and a miserable failure. Again, when will people in this country wake up? Bush's approval rating jumped 5% right after the hurricane :flame:.

That old tired line of "oh all politicians are corrupt anyway" or "it doesn't affect me" needs to stop. Bush's failure has killed thousands upon thousands in the last 5 years and it doesn't seem it will stop any time soon.

 

[Llama]

A lot of Americas, sadly, are
1.) Fanatically Religious
2.) Stupid
3.) Unswervingly patriotic
4.) Unswervingly, patriotic and stupid religous fanatics.

You get a lot of normal people aswell, but a lot of morons. Bush is one of them.

 

[CptStern]

This morning on Good Morning America Bush had the nerve to say nobody could predict the levees would break. What a ****ing liar and a miserable failure. Again, when will people in this country wake up? Bush's approval rating jumped 5% right after the hurricane :flame:.

That old tired line of "oh all politicians are corrupt anyway" or "it doesn't affect me" needs to stop. Bush's failure has killed thousands upon thousands in the last 5 years and it doesn't seem it will stop any time soon.

I just cant look at any of them any more ....before bush I had an extreme dislike for the neo-conservatives ...but in the last 5 years it's gotten to the point where I think something should be done with them ...they're a danger not to just americans but to everyone

 

[Llama]

forgive my ignorance, but are the "neo-conservatives" (Bushs supporters?) similair to the british conservative party?

 

[CptStern]

no, the neo-conservatives are ultra right wing ...well I dont think so because I'm not familiar with the british conservative party ...neo-conservatives are extreme right wing republicans


here read this page, it explains their motivations ...btw it was written in 1997 and is eirie how much of what they planned actually came true. Also notice that the names at the bottom represent people who are currently in positions of power?

 

[No Limit]

I just cant look at any of them any more ....before bush I had an extreme dislike for the neo-conservatives ...but in the last 5 years it's gotten to the point where I think something should be done with them ...they're a danger not to just americans but to everyone

It's getting absolutely redicilous. If I seem extremely hostile after the hurricane hit thats becasue I am. This shit has got to stop. When will Americans stop buying this bullshit? Far right republicans (Bush and his supporters) do this until election season; then they spin it to make it seem like everything that happened was the fault of Clinton and they gain control again doing the same shit over and over. When I hear a freeper say in the hurricane situation say "what did you expect the president to do" I just lose it. How about end his ****ing vacation, instead of eating cake with McCain and playing guitar how about he gets off his ass and sets up a team of advisors to help evacuate people from that waste land that was once known as New Orleans. He didn't do any of this until 2 or 3 days after the hurricane struck. Not only that but because of his cuts a lot more of the city is flooded than should have been. And after all that his ****ing approval rating goes up 5 points. Honestly, how ****ing stupid can the average american get?

I really would like to see seinfeld in here along with others that support this asshat named Bush; but they are no where in sight. Sickening.

 

[CptStern]

I think you scared seinfeldrules away with your logic

 

[seinfeldrules]

FYI I'm not posting here anymore. Thought I'd tell you now so you can stop calling out someone not here :/ I'm spending my time focusing on college. I may read it, but it takes much less time to read than argue. I mentioned this before, but it seems you guys ignored it. I find going away topics inane and a waste of space.

Well then, Adios Mr. Stern. Hopefully this will be my last time on this site as I begin a new part of my life.

Above was posted 8-23-05

Have fun with others.

 

[CptStern]

oh boo-hoo you're leaving!! I think it has more to do with the fact you were handed your ass on a silver platter by some of our members rather than time needed for college


frankly I see it as the cowards way out ...disagree with something, drop off the face of the earth for awhile and come back when the smoke has cleared ...if you truely believe in your convictions you'd fight for them

 

[seinfeldrules]

oh boo-hoo you're leaving!! I think it has more to do with the fact you were handed your ass on a silver platter by some of our members rather than time needed for college


frankly I see it as the cowards way out ...disagree with something, drop off the face of the earth for awhile and come back when the smoke has cleared ...if you truely believe in your convictions you'd fight for them

I find it funny that you say this after I have been posting about politics here for what, almost 2 years? Oh man, I am clearly running away College started Monday and my goal is to do the best that I can. The time I used to spend here will be better spent on learning a new language or writing a better paper.

 

[Tr0n]

Actually...I think it is because of him focusing on college. So shut the hell up stern. I'd more then likely do the same if I ever go to college...well if I think about it I'm probally gonna stop posting here after I move to California.

 

[CptStern]

hmmm I think I'm not the only one who thinks this way ...why do you think No Limit keeps calling you out? because you disappear every time your oppposition presents indisputable proof


you know I dont mind arguing with people with the opposite POV ...but in the time "ve been here I've never seen you concede a point ...never. I cant think of anyone else who's done the same

 

[CptStern]

I actually...I think it is because of him focusing on college. So shut the hell up stern. I'd more then likely do the same if I ever go to college...well if I think about it I'm probally gonna stop posting here after I move to California.

dont tell me to shut up. how the hell do you know his true motivations? ...seriously Tron stop sticking your nose in other people's business. Where the **** were you when the righties attacked me for being "un-american" ..where were you when people made death threats, or verbally abused me? You have no right to tell me to shut up when you havent a ****ing clue as to the bullshit I've had to put up from these people

 

[Tr0n]

How about you stop assuming bullshit? Do you know his true motivations also? And it ain't sticking my nose in peoples business when's it's post on a PUBLIC forum.

So again....shut hell up. I'm only defending him this time because of that childish remark you made. It's like what a little kid says after a guy he's about to fight decides to walk away.

 

[CptStern]

re-read my post ..I stand by what I said as experince proves me right

 

[Tr0n]

Where the **** were you when the righties attacked me for being "un-american" ..where were you when people made death threats, or verbally abused me?

Hell...that's your problem. Don't be posting on a forums filled with kids/teens/underage minors. Also the un-american thing is kinda true...not in a bad way. You're canadian...not american...so the righties statement is wrong in a right way.

 

[CptStern]

Hell...that's your problem. Don't be posting on a forums filled with kids/teens/underage minors.

what the hell does that have to do with anything? ..because they're ****ing teens that gives them a right to verbally abuse me or physically threaten me? Funny how you think me making a comment on someones motivation is worse than physical threats or verbal abuse

Also the un-american thing is kinda true...not in a bad way. You're candian...not american...so the righties statement is wrong in a right way.

I meant anti-american

 

[Tr0n]

what the hell does that have to do with anything? ..because they're ****ing teens that gives them a right to verbally abuse me or physically threaten me? Funny how you think me making a comment on someones motivation is worse than physical threats or verbal abuse



I meant anti-american

Uhhhh...no. I was trying to state that's what teens/minors/kids do on forums many many many many many times. Rather it be right or wrong. Again...you're assuming things.

 

[Llama]

Stern Rules
No-Limit rules almost as much
I rule more than both of them
Between us we are always right
End of discussion

And tr0n...stfu. What does age have to do with anything, especially threats? If anything, teens are far less likely to carry out whatever they promise.

1.) Im a teen
2.) Ive got a big mouth
That doesnt mean im a ****ing nut case. Funny how you can talk about assumptions, when you assume more than all of us

 

[SenorDingDong]

Stern For President!!

 

[No Limit]

FYI I'm not posting here anymore. Thought I'd tell you now so you can stop calling out someone not here :/ I'm spending my time focusing on college. I may read it, but it takes much less time to read than argue. I mentioned this before, but it seems you guys ignored it. I find going away topics inane and a waste of space.


Above was posted 8-23-05

Have fun with others.

Good luck in life. But like Stern said, I think this is just an easy way out. I work 50 hours a week on top of trying to run my own business. I still try and come in here to have a good debate. I post here more than any other board. if you truly believed in Bush you would spend 15 minutes a day to come in here and defend him. But for some reason after I proved Bush lied and should be impeached you fell off the face of the earth.

So seinfeld, whenever you get a chance; do you now agree that Bush lied? If you don't go back in the thread where I talked about the downing street memo and refute it.

Second, do you support what Bush did with New Orleans funds for rebuilding levees? He cut those funds by 40% to pay for Iraq.

Do you also support the fact he sat on his ass for 2 days after the hurricane hit eating cake and playing guitar while hundreds of thousands were left without homes and jobs?

 

[Tr0n]

Stern Rules
No-Limit rules almost as much
I rule more than both of them
Between us we are always right
End of discussion

And tr0n...stfu. What does age have to do with anything, especially threats?

I guess maybe you haven't noticed on many forums...but usually trolling/threats comes from people under their 20's. Stern knows...he had many right wing people calling him names and the people that was doing it were in their teens. Stern is in his later 40's...and I never saw him make threats.

So yes...Age does have to do with it.

 

[CptStern]

Uhhhh...no. I was trying to state that's what teens/minors/kids do on forums many many many many many times. Rather it be right or wrong. Again...you're assuming things.

they make physical threats? is that the norm on forums? sorry but not in my experience. Either way I didnt see you sticking up for me ...I didnt see you saying

"you threatened stern, how childish of you"



sometimes you need to fight that impluse that leads you to post in threads when you really dont have a point