former Senator/Congressman: Impeach Bush

[CptStern]

Why I Believe Bush Must Go

As we enter the eighth year of the Bush-Cheney administration, I have belatedly and painfully concluded that the only honorable course for me is to urge the impeachment of the president and the vice president.

Bush and Cheney are clearly guilty of numerous impeachable offenses. They have repeatedly violated the Constitution. They have transgressed national and international law. They have lied to the American people time after time. Their conduct and their barbaric policies have reduced our beloved country to a historic low in the eyes of people around the world. These are truly "high crimes and misdemeanors," to use the constitutional standard.

I have not been heavily involved in singing the praises of the Nixon administration. But the case for impeaching Bush and Cheney is far stronger than was the case against Nixon and Vice President Spiro T. Agnew after the 1972 election. The nation would be much more secure and productive under a Nixon presidency than with Bush. Indeed, has any administration in our national history been so damaging as the Bush-Cheney era?

about the author:

George Stanley McGovern, (born July 19, 1922) is a former United States Representative, Senator, and Democratic presidential nominee.

oh if only he were saying this 5 years ago

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/04/AR2008010404308_pf.html

 

[Tyguy]

So why is he coming out now and saying this? Seems to me the arguments for impeachment he presents are big enough to warrant concern during Bush's term, not after. I think most of the administration feels this way but wont do anything about it.

 

[CptStern]

he doesnt believe it'll happen because congress is too bi-partisan

 

[Eejit]

Can't see it happening. I'd be surprised if McGovern got much press about this either.

 

[CptStern]

an article published in the washington post isnt keeping a low profile ..it doesnt matter really cuz there's still a large percentage of americans who walk around with blinders on

 

[Tyguy]

plus he's old as hell, he probably wont even be able to go to the trial...at least with his colostomy bag

 

[Eejit]

an article published in the washington post isnt keeping a low profile ..it doesnt matter really cuz there's still a large percentage of americans who walk around with blinders on

I know that, but I'm skeptical of how long the story will last and how many news outlets will pick it up.

 

[CptStern]

plus he's old as hell, he probably wont even be able to go to the trial...at least with his colostomy bag

they have diapers for that now





and agreed it wont be picked up by say fox"news" and even if were it would be ignored ..just like every fact was ignored right up to the invasion of iraq

 

[Raziaar]

plus he's old as hell, he probably wont even be able to go to the trial...at least with his colostomy bag

My grandpa has a colostomy bag. That still doesn't stop him from being one tough mother****er.

 

[Tyguy]

My grandpa has a colostomy bag. That still doesn't stop him from being one tough mother****er.

It doesnt matter how tough someone is, once they have to shit in a bag, they are brought down a few pegs...

nothing against your grandpa, he's probably a swell guy

 

[Raziaar]

It doesnt matter how tough someone is, once they have to shit in a bag, they are brought down a few pegs...

nothing against your grandpa, he's probably a swell guy

Because it's an entirely unnatural thing to have to go through. It's something beyond his control anyways.

Man my grandpa was a hardass. If you'd walk around his house without a shirt on, especially at the dinner table, he'd reach for a rubberband(which he had on hand for this reason) and flick it at you. When you feel that sharp sting, you know you need to put a shirt on.

Also... never ever sneak up on my grandpa has always been the rule. My brother silently walked up behind him once and said, "Hi grandpa." and couldn't speak for the next twenty minutes because my grandpa chopped him reactively and instinctively in the neck because he gets jumpy when people sneak up on him.

 

[Tyguy]

If i had a grandfather id say we should put them in the ring together....no colostomy bags though

Edit: Sorry to turn a thread about impeaching bush into grandfather fights

 

[Raziaar]

If i had a grandfather id say we should put them in the ring together....no colostomy bags though

Edit: Sorry to turn a thread about impeaching bush into grandfather fights

Heh... doesn't really matter though, because as important as it should be to impeach bush, nothing like it will ever happen. He'll finish his term without any such action taken against him.

I pity him after he has to fall back into the regular world though. He'll be a universal pariah even in parts of Texas.

 

[Icarusintel]

oh if only he were saying this 5 years ago

Which is exactly the problem. It seems like he's trying to be relevant in his old age. He should have put this out at least a year ago, if not more.

He's old and wants some attention before he slips into obscurity. It doesn't matter if he has good points (which other people have brought up before) Bush is almost out of the White House anyway.

 

[CptStern]

regardless if his term is almost up, americans should be screaming for his bloody head on a platter ..what about accountability? should the bush admin walk away from this scott free?

 

[Tyguy]

regardless if his term is almost up, americans should be screaming for his bloody head on a platter ..what about accountability? should the bush admin walk away from this scott free?

no, but since he has the ability to absolve himself of war crimes, not much we can do. :rolling:

what a great justice system

 

[Lt. Drebin]

regardless if his term is almost up, americans should be screaming for his bloody head on a platter ..what about accountability? should the bush admin walk away from this scott free?

You know well that a shit load of people do and have been calling for his head...and, at least, his job. And, to answer your question, yes...they probably will walk away from this scott free.

You spoke of a large % of people that have blinders on...what of the larger % that have simply lost faith in this govt and it's processes?? Screaming for his head on a platter and actually getting it are two completely different things. Knowing you'll never get it before you even get started is downright chilling...even in the presence of overwhelming evidence. The amount of damage that has been done is seriously disturbing and this country is not going to recover for a VERY long time.

 

[Andrew LB]

The reason why Bush hasn't been impeached is because he has done NOTHING which warrants the level of a high crime or misdemeanor.

... and all you bleeding heart liberals out there... save your breath. There is nothing you can say in response to my statement that I cannot thoroughly blow out of the sky.

 

[Kyorisu]

You spoke of a large % of people that have blinders on...what of the larger % that have simply lost faith in this govt and it's processes?? Screaming for his head on a platter and actually getting it are two completely different things. Knowing you'll never get it before you even get started is downright chilling...even in the presence of overwhelming evidence. The amount of damage that has been done is seriously disturbing and this country is not going to recover for a VERY long time.

Isn't this the part where you overthrow the government through force? Or do you only do that after you've been raped repeatedly by your leaders?

 

[CptStern]

The reason why Bush hasn't been impeached is because he has done NOTHING which warrants the level of a high crime or misdemeanor.

... and all you bleeding heart liberals out there... save your breath. There is nothing you can say in response to my statement that I cannot thoroughly blow out of the sky.

obviously you havent read the article, here let me highlight the relevant parts:

Bush and Cheney are clearly guilty of numerous impeachable offenses. They have repeatedly violated the Constitution. They have transgressed national and international law. They have lied to the American people time after time. Their conduct and their barbaric policies have reduced our beloved country to a historic low in the eyes of people around the world. These are truly "high crimes and misdemeanors," to use the constitutional standard.

From the beginning, the Bush-Cheney team's assumption of power was the product of questionable elections that probably should have been officially challenged -- perhaps even by a congressional investigation.

In a more fundamental sense, American democracy has been derailed throughout the Bush-Cheney regime. The dominant commitment of the administration has been a murderous, illegal, nonsensical war against Iraq. That irresponsible venture has killed almost 4,000 Americans, left many times that number mentally or physically crippled, claimed the lives of an estimated 600,000 Iraqis (according to a careful October 2006 study from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health) and laid waste their country. The financial cost to the United States is now $250 million a day and is expected to exceed a total of $1 trillion, most of which we have borrowed from the Chinese and others as our national debt has now climbed above $9 trillion -- by far the highest in our national history.

All of this has been done without the declaration of war from Congress that the Constitution clearly requires, in defiance of the U.N. Charter and in violation of international law. This reckless disregard for life and property, as well as constitutional law, has been accompanied by the abuse of prisoners, including systematic torture, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions of 1949.

I have not been heavily involved in singing the praises of the Nixon administration. But the case for impeaching Bush and Cheney is far stronger than was the case against Nixon and Vice President Spiro T. Agnew after the 1972 election.

but just in case you need it spelt out for you in more detail

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=The_case_for_impeachment_of_President_George_W._Bush

 

[Andrew LB]

First of all, you fail to show anything that can be proven in a court of law to be a high crime or misdemeanor.

Second, almost all of this is based on Iraq and this notion that the UN Charter and International law are somehow even applicable in the US court system, which neither are. Nor are they constitutional agreements, considering the Constitution clearly states that no treaty or foreign entity can even be entered into when it puts foreign law above that of the constitution itself. Technically, the only law broken here was that by previous presidents and congress by agreeing to enter into such agreements.

And back to Iraq... I have heard this BS for years that "Bush lied" and this is an "illegal war".... blah blah blah.

The facts of the matter are that in 1991, the Persian Gulf War was not ended in a peace treaty, but rather in the 1991 Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement. This agreement had countless stipulations which were put on Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi government where by violating any one of the dozens of pieces of the agreement, the resumption of hostile actions by that of the US and any of the coalition allies can and WILL be resumed. And if you actually paid attention during the 1990's and early 2000's, Saddam broke the cease fire agreement thousands of times by not only firing on our aircraft on an almost daily basis, but by not proving the destruction of the weapons he himself declared he had when the cease fire agreement was made. And as we all know now, Saddam flat out lied about having WMD stockpiles in 1991 in order to keep Iran from coming across the border. Bush never lied about WMD. The whole world was effectively duped by Saddam Hussein in his attempt to keep Iran from attacking them in their then extremely weakened state.

 

[CptStern]

First of all, you fail to show anything that can be proven in a court of law to be a high crime or misdemeanor.

I'm not George McGovern ..he's the one making a case for impeachment ..why not ask him?

Second, almost all of this is based on Iraq and this notion that the UN Charter and International law are somehow even applicable in the US court system, which neither are. Nor are they constitutional agreements, considering the Constitution clearly states that no treaty or foreign entity can even be entered into when it puts foreign law above that of the constitution itself. Technically, the only law broken here was that by previous presidents and congress by agreeing to enter into such agreements.

the charges may pertain to iraq but they all have to do with laws pertinent to the constitution ..read the second article I posted

And back to Iraq... I have heard this BS for years that "Bush lied" and this is an "illegal war".... blah blah blah.

yes the bush admin lied repeatedly:


Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.


George W. Bush September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.


Ari Fleischer December 2, 2002


We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003


Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003


We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003


We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

The facts of the matter are that in 1991, the Persian Gulf War was not ended in a peace treaty, but rather in the 1991 Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement. This agreement had countless stipulations which were put on Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi government where by violating any one of the dozens of pieces of the agreement, the resumption of hostile actions by that of the US and any of the coalition allies can and WILL be resumed. And if you actually paid attention during the 1990's and early 2000's, Saddam broke the cease fire agreement thousands of times by not only firing on our aircraft on an almost daily basis probably because the U, but by not proving the destruction of the weapons he himself declared he had when the cease fire agreement was made. And as we all know now, Saddam flat out lied about having WMD stockpiles in 1991 in order to keep Iran from coming across the border. Bush never lied about WMD. The whole world was effectively duped by Saddam Hussein in his attempt to keep Iran from attacking them in their then extremely weakened state.

where are the stores of wmd then?


We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003



btw how do you explain this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsVKDY74C0g



and this:

Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.

It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/12/AR2005051201857.html
http://downingstreetmemo.com/memos.html

 

[Andrew LB]

I'm not George McGovern ..he's the one making a case for impeachment ..why not ask him?



the charges may pertain to iraq but they all have to do with laws pertinent to the constitution ..read the second article I posted



yes the bush admin lied repeatedly:


Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.


George W. Bush September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.


Ari Fleischer December 2, 2002


We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003


Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush January 28, 2003


We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George Bush February 8, 2003


We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.

Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

Since you obviously have way too much free time on your hands, you can spend some time researching all the statements by Bill Clinton and Al Gore during the late 90's as well as all the statements by the British, US Congress, etc just before the invasion in 2003.

where are the stores of wmd then?

As I said, it's thoroughly proven that Saddam duped the worlds intelligence communities. He even said he did in 2005 before his execution.

You can take the hard facts and get over yourself or keep continuing to repeat the liberal mantra of "bush lied bush lied bush lied..."

It's up to you, but in the end... if you continue the latter you'll just continue to look foolish.

 

[Kadayi]

and all you bleeding heart liberals out there... save your breath. There is nothing you can say in response to my statement that I cannot thoroughly blow out of the sky.

LOL. Who is this chump exactly? Oh no don't tell me 'It's the chump that's going to kick our scrawny Liberal asses!!!'

It's up to you, but in the end... if you continue the latter you'll just continue to look foolish.

Let's hope when they instigate the draft you're first out of the plane when it comes to the Invasion of Iran. Hopefully you'll provide a good bullet magnet for the guy behind :dozey:

 

[Andrew LB]

Let's hope when they instigate the draft you're first out of the plane when it comes to the Invasion of Iran. Hopefully you'll provide a good bullet magnet for the guy behind :dozey:

Sorry buddy. Already spent 4 years in the US Army Airborne and had a 15 month tour in Iraq.


And FYI, the only people that have considered INSTITUTING (instigating??? hehe) the draft are people in the Democratic party.

 

[Kadayi]

And FYI, the only people that have considered INSTITUTING (instigating??? hehe) the draft are people in the Democratic party.

Well the Republicans have to squirrel away their Grand kids to Canada and steal another election before than can declare it. :dozey:

 

[CptStern]

First of all, you fail to show anything that can be proven in a court of law to be a high crime or misdemeanor.

Second, almost all of this is based on Iraq and this notion that the UN Charter and International law are somehow even applicable in the US court system, which neither are. Nor are they constitutional agreements, considering the Constitution clearly states that no treaty or foreign entity can even be entered into when it puts foreign law above that of the constitution itself. Technically, the only law broken here was that by previous presidents and congress by agreeing to enter into such agreements.

And back to Iraq... I have heard this BS for years that "Bush lied" and this is an "illegal war".... blah blah blah.

The facts of the matter are that in 1991, the Persian Gulf War was not ended in a peace treaty, but rather in the 1991 Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement. This agreement had countless stipulations which were put on Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi government where by violating any one of the dozens of pieces of the agreement, the resumption of hostile actions by that of the US and any of the coalition allies can and WILL be resumed. And if you actually paid attention during the 1990's and early 2000's, Saddam broke the cease fire agreement thousands of times by not only firing on our aircraft on an almost daily basis, but by not proving the destruction of the weapons he himself declared he had when the cease fire agreement was made. And as we all know now, Saddam flat out lied about having WMD stockpiles in 1991 in order to keep Iran from coming across the border. Bush never lied about WMD. The whole world was effectively duped by Saddam Hussein in his attempt to keep Iran from attacking them in their then extremely weakened state.

? ..you didnt answer any of my points ..all you did was copy paste what you posted earlier with some revision

btw I find this amusing

Bush never lied about WMD. The whole world was effectively duped by Saddam Hussein in his attempt to keep Iran from attacking them in their then extremely weakened state.

so in other words back in 1991, prior/during the gulf war (desert storm) (in which iran wasnt involved) in order to keep Iran out of iraq saddam touted his WMD capabilites ..which I agree he had because .. so effectively that even though there was inspection after inspection saying there was nothing and the administration said there was nothing, Saddam still managed to convince people that he had WMD ..even though publically he was saying he didnt have anything ......riiiiiiiiiight that makes sense

so in conclusion the Bush admisntration is correct in saying that Saddam didnt have WMD, and that Saddam was correct when he said he didnt have WMD, but the Bush adminstration was fooled into thinking he did have wmd so they invaded even though saddam was lying ..errr telling the truth when he said he didnt have wmd ..it's like we're living in bizarro world; everything is the opposite ...well, that would explain Bush's idiocy

Since you obviously have way too much free time on your hands, you can spend some time researching all the statements by Bill Clinton and Al Gore during the late 90's as well as all the statements by the British, US Congress, etc just before the invasion in 2003.

who cares? I dont play this partisan bullshit, we're talking about the bush admin not Tony ****ing Blair

As I said, it's thoroughly proven that Saddam duped the worlds intelligence communities.

by making them believe he had WMD even though he was saying he didnt have WMD ..do you even hear yourself?

He even said he did in 2005 before his execution.

he was executed in dec 30th 2006 ..and what exactly did he say?


"oh america infidels <maygodspitonyourshoes>, we fooled you into thinking we had WMD even though we were saying we didnt because we wanted you to think the opposite of what we were saying so today I wait to be hanged for fooling you into invading us and killing a shitload of my countrymen, god praises George Bush"

You can take the hard facts and get over yourself or keep continuing to repeat the liberal mantra of "bush lied bush lied bush lied..."

It's up to you, but in the end... if you continue the latter you'll just continue to look foolish.

seems to me it's you who keeps chanting a mantra ..one that blinds you to the obvious truth every other person on this green earth can see but you ..and bush ..although not really cuz they knew saddam didnt have anything so it's just down to you ..the last american who still suffers from the effect of drinking the koolaid

 

[Andrew LB]

so in other words back in 1991, prior/during the gulf war (desert storm) (in which iran wasnt involved) in order to keep Iran out of iraq saddam touted his WMD capabilites .. so effectively that even though there was inspection after inspection saying there was nothing and the administration said there was nothing, Saddam still managed to convince people that he had WMD ..even though publically he was saying he didnt have anything ......riiiiiiiiiight that makes sense

You're forgetting the basic requirements of the Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement.

AFTER he signed the agreement he was required to DECLARE his WMD stockpiles. And AFTER he declared what he had, he was required to PROVE that he destroyed said WMD's.

It was not the responsibility of the U.S. Government or any other foreign power to prove Saddam HAD and then DESTROYED his weapons. The burden of proof was on Saddam to show that he destroyed the weapons he admitted to possess.

Like I said earlier, the intelligence organizations of the U.S., UK, Israel, France, Germany, etc ALL thought that Saddam did possess the WMD that he declared in 1991 and NEVER proved they were all destroyed as mandated by the Cease Fire Agreement and 17 U.N. Resolutions.

Saddam Hussein's own deception of the world community and in particular, the worlds Superpower, the United States is what doomed him and caused military action against him and his people. His own lies are the cause of this war, and NOBODY ELSE.

IIRC, nobody tried to impeach former President Clinton for him bombing strategic targets in Iraq in 1998 for three days straight. Why? Because like President Bush, then President Clinton was 100% justified in the eyes of the United States Congress when he took military action against Saddam.

Anyone who has the audacity to believe that Bush lied and broke international and constitutional law MUST also believe that former President Clinton did the same. But nobody in 1998 tried to impeach Clinton for what he did because he was completely justified.

so in conclusion the Bush admisntration is correct in saying that Saddam didnt have WMD, and that Saddam was correct when he said he didnt have WMD, but the Bush adminstration was fooled into thinking he did have wmd so they invaded even though saddam was lying ..errr telling the truth when he said he didnt have wmd ..it's like we're living in bizarro world; everything is the opposite ...well, that would explain Bush's idiocy

Not at all my friend. The Bush Administration by the video links you provided said that Saddam was not deemed a direct threat at the times those videos were created. But if you had any understanding of the information which came out after 9/11 and the United States subsequent War On Terrorism, it was proven without question that not only was Saddam constantly violating the Cease Fire Agreement and 17 U.N. Resolutions, he also was proven to be funding terrorist groups in Palestine and other regions, including the attempted assassination of former President Bush during his 1991 visit to Kuwait.

who cares? I dont play this partisan bullshit, we're talking about the bush admin not Tony ****ing Blair

And why did you just ignore the other half of my point regarding former President Clinton's multiple declarations stating that Saddam possessed WMD and that he was a great threat to middle east stability which was his justification of the 3 day war he waged on Saddam in 1998??? And in addition, how the intelligence agencies of Britian, France, Germany, Israel, and the United States ALL agreed that Saddam did not fully comply with the destruction of his declared WMD's and the 17 U.N. Resolution???

by making them believe he had WMD even though he was saying he didnt have WMD ..do you even hear yourself?

Once again, you fail to know ANYTHING about the history of this almost 20 year old conflict.

Saddam DECLARED that he had "X" amount of WMD when the cease fire agreement was signed by Saddam himself.

It was NOT the United States responsibility in the agreement to confirm those amounts of weapons but rather to CONFIRM those amounts of weapons were DESTROYED. Saddam failed to prove the declared weapons were destroyed and the U.S. and the United Nations were never able to confirm that 100% of the declared weapons were destroyed. Thus constituting ANOTHER violation of the cease fire agreement and the 100% legal use of force against Saddam which Bill Clinton used in 1998 when he launched a bombing campaign against Saddam and the future perceived lying of Saddam about his declared yet not destroyed WMD that led to the 2003 Invasion.... among dozens of other failures of Saddam to live up to his agreement he signed in 1991.

After Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for 3 straight days did Saddam change his tune and said that there were no WMD left even though he didn't prove they were destroyed. And this was thoroughly investigated by the intelligence agencies of a dozen nations and each of which concluded that Saddam was lying. They also proved that Saddam had put his most recent projects of creating Sarin, VX, and Mustard Gas on hold but were ready for resumption as soon as the sanctions were lifted by the United Nations. And as we all know, Saddam and the United Nations massive scam called the "Oil for Food Program" showed that he wanted to take every step necessary to BRIBE the united nations into lessening the sanctions so he could get his WMD programs right back into full production.

he was executed in dec 30th 2006 ..and what exactly did he say?


"oh america infidels <maygodspitonyourshoes>, we fooled you into thinking we had WMD even though we were saying we didnt because we wanted you to think the opposite of what we were saying so today I wait to be hanged for fooling you into invading us and killing a shitload of my countrymen, god praises George Bush"

Hahaha. In the countless interviews of Saddam he admitted to flat out LYING to the international community about his WMD capabilities at the time of the 1991 Cease Fire Agreement in order to make Iran think that he was still capable of fending them off if Iran decided to take hostile actions.

Here you go buddy!!! You're whole line of BULLSHIT just got shot back in yo face! Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32LnjWJTHcg

 

[Andrew LB]

Well the Republicans have to squirrel away their Grand kids to Canada and steal another election before than can declare it. :dozey:

Interesting that those who sign up for and support our U.S. Military are REPUBLICANS. I didn't know a single democrat during my 4 years in the US ARMY Airborne and we were all happy to serve our country to protect the ideologies that people back home took for granted on the left side of the political spectrum.

 

[Lamarrfz]

. I read: "former Senator/Congressman Impales Bush".

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Interesting that those who sign up for and support our U.S. Military are REPUBLICANS. I didn't know a single democrat during my 4 years in the US ARMY Airborne and we were all happy to serve our country to protect the ideologies that people back home took for granted on the left side of the political spectrum.

You didn't protect jack shit and your view of the American people IS shit.

This country (this democratic republic!) is being dissolved from the inside out and you and your ilk go on about what great things you do, but you don't even think for yourself and despite your bit of knowledge of the Constitution your blind faith in your superiors keeps you from seeing that that document is being reduced in public status to nothing more than the ramblings of a dieing cult.
It is you whom does not see the dire situation unfolding. It is you with your military training who won't even realize a police state emerge. It is you who will be one of many accomplices in setting up martial law. It is you who will chip away at Americans freedoms, the freedoms you so arrogantly claim to protect. It is you, because you are so indoctrinated into the system you will believe anything you are told as long as it falls in line with what you are told to beleive.

Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about you, but from what I've seen, it is unlikely.

 

[Solaris]

I move to vote that Andrew is permanently banned from the politics section for trolling.

 

[nurizeko]

Bit late now isn't it?.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Sorry, but anyone who argues that Iraq has or had weapons of mass destruction is moron who needs to be raped.

 

[Andrew LB]

You didn't protect jack shit and your view of the American people IS shit.

Wow.... thats all i can say to the most ignorant statement I've ever heard on this forum against a Veteran of Iraq and the US Military. You should be ashamed of yourself. I was in combat in Anbar Provence for 6 of the months I was in Iraq and the vast majority of the insurgents at the time were AL-QAEDA!!!!! You know.... Bin Laden's group? You know... Al Zarqawi???

This country (this democratic republic!) is being dissolved from the inside out and you and your ilk go on about what great things you do, but you don't even think for yourself and despite your bit of knowledge of the Constitution your blind faith in your superiors keeps you from seeing that that document is being reduced in public status to nothing more than the ramblings of a dieing cult.
It is you whom does not see the dire situation unfolding. It is you with your military training who won't even realize a police state emerge. It is you who will be one of many accomplices in setting up martial law. It is you who will chip away at Americans freedoms, the freedoms you so arrogantly claim to protect. It is you, because you are so indoctrinated into the system you will believe anything you are told as long as it falls in line with what you are told to beleive.

Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about you, but from what I've seen, it is unlikely.

What I love about this tirade is that it's the exact same crap liberals have been spewing since the 1960's. The U.S. Military in the past 100 years has done more for securing your freedom to talk all the sh*t you just did in your above quote through blood, sweat, and tears and your blatant disrespect for their sacrifice is without a doubt the most ignorant thing I've read in ages except on the website for all the ultra-far left loons, the DailyKOS.

I move to vote that Andrew is permanently banned from the politics section for trolling.

Trolling? Please prove to me that I have been trolling in this forum. The only people who are in violation of the TOS on this forum are those of you who constantly make personal attacks against me.

Sorry, but anyone who argues that Iraq has or had weapons of mass destruction is moron who needs to be raped.

Hmm.... so you would like Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Madeline Albrite, and the intelligence agencies of the U.S., Britian, Australia, Germany, France, Poland, and Israel? Oh yeah, lets not forget Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, and the United Arab Emerates.


Saddam Hussein DID have WMD until the early to mid 1990's when he destroyed a good portion of the weapons that he himself admitted to having.

And FYI, even though he lied over and over about having more than he truly did have, there were still hundreds of canisters of mustard gas and Sarin nerve gas that US troops found in the year after the 2003 invasion.

But the mainstream media completely ignored these findings because they were outdated and most likely not able to be used in Combat.

BUT.... they more than likely were during the mid 90's when Clinton was claiming that Saddam had WMD and had not proven that he destroyed all his weapons of mass destruction.

Here are just a few mustard gas bombs (while probably not very effective due to age) the Brits found in Iraq in 2003.

Also, are you going to argue with David Kay?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

I was in combat in Anbar Provence for 6 of the months I was in Iraq and the vast majority of the insurgents at the time were AL-QAEDA!!!!! You know.... Bin Laden's group? You know... Al Zarqawi???

So what? You're a TOOL, and I'm not even a liberal.

 

[Tyguy]

So what? You're a TOOL, and I'm not even a liberal.

Jesus...regardless of what his opinion is, he was over there fighting while you were at home playing video games. Give him a break.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

I won't because he shouldn't have been over there "fighting".

If you wanna protect freedom get these god damned politicians off our backs and buy a gun.

 

[Tyguy]

I won't because he shouldn't have been over there "fighting".

He's a soldier in the US military, he goes where he is told

If you wanna protect freedom get these god damned politicians off our backs and buy a gun.

huh?

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

That I understand, but he should not have had to go there. I'm not blaming him personally for doing his job. The US military has been overstepping it's bounds for the past 30-40 some years and have weaved their way into everything and are even trying to disable posse comitatus (which is all but nullifed by a recent amendment). The military isn't doing anything to "protect" us or our freedom. The military is nothing more now than a glorifed, very powerful corporation. They exist for profit and fame and since there is no way in hell a war will ever come to our shores, they try to find any reason they can to mobilize, even if it means genocide or martial law.
If you think you have anything to owe the military you are dead wrong. It's the military who will finally disarm the people. It's the military who funds the weapons research that will be used on American and other innocent people. It's the military that brainwashes hundreds of thousands of people into mindlessly and unquestioningly supporting it's cause, all the while breeding vicious, nigh-psychotic and prejudicial, partisan killing machines.

It's the politicians who are empowering the military. They raise DoD funding beyond anything the country has ever needed. It's the politicians writing the bills taking away our rights in the name of so-called safety. It's the politicians voting for war, to make profit, to get even more rich and fat, and they oppress the people because they know if we have enough freedom to exert our influence they will be tried and judged for what they are, criminals.